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A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

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man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.
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man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.

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man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.



I did read the story and it seems as if the parents are open to some apology process. Also says his agent that is Black is trying to somehow work this out. There is no right to play hockey but this kid must be a real monster to be this well known. Maybe he goes to play on Sweden or Russian for five years and proves himself?

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SpiralStairs wrote:
Let he who has not tricked a developmentally disabled child into eating a piss soaked popsicle cast the first stone.


tease this out and I'm pretty sure it reveals some hypocrisy with your views on crime and punishment

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man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.

The guy is willing to forego a career as a professional athlete rather than just owning his behavior and trying to make amends with the person he treated so poorly. He’s not even willing to fake it.

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good dolphin wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Let he who has not tricked a developmentally disabled child into eating a piss soaked popsicle cast the first stone.


tease this out and I'm pretty sure it reveals some hypocrisy with your views on crime and punishment

I've never held a hypocritical view in my entire life.

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?

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SpiralStairs wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Let he who has not tricked a developmentally disabled child into eating a piss soaked popsicle cast the first stone.


tease this out and I'm pretty sure it reveals some hypocrisy with your views on crime and punishment

I've never held a hypocritical view in my entire life.


of course, I meant you in the sense of everyone else besides you

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good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?


Oh, sure. The player in question probably doesn't though.

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good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?

my comments have nothing to do with whether he should be allowed to play hockey, i was simply commenting on the use of the word "irredeemable" to describe him.
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man of few opinions wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?

my comments have nothing to do with whether he should be allowed to play hockey, i was simply commenting on the use of the word "irredeemable" to describe him.


I agreed with you. I find it difficult to judge anyone unredeamable, especially a teen/pre teen.

As high minded as I'd like to pretend myself to be, there probably are some cases.

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good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?


Playing professionally hockey or digging a ditch is a privilege. No one is required to hire any of us.

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
A true apology can't be mandated out of his desire to play hockey. He has had a long time where, if he was truly sorry, he could have already made amends and be taking the ice for the Bruins. That said I have no doubt that whatever he did (and I didn't read the article, only what was posted here) is certainly not beyond redemption. I really hope he can make this right in some way some day. I did some shitty things as a kid I regret and in a few instances have been able to make it right over the years and it feels good.


I'd say it's not beyond redemption. The issue is that he's shown no remorse whatsoever.

agreed. and that legitimately could take more time than his hockey career can wait for.


Yep. He has no one to blame but himself. But it appears that he's to coddled as an elite athlete to recognize that.

Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.


what if the ditch diggers also find that they don't want to employ someone who abused a disabled kid?

you see where this goes, right?


Playing professionally hockey or digging a ditch is a privilege. No one is required to hire any of us.


Absolutely true.

Will you then scream for his incarceration when he steals a loaf of bread?

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Nas wrote:

Playing professionally hockey or digging a ditch is a privilege. No one is required to hire any of us.


Absolutely true.

Will you then scream for his incarceration when he steals a loaf of bread?


I'm not screaming for it now. I do think some people are evil, and no rehabilitation is likely to change that.

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:

Playing professionally hockey or digging a ditch is a privilege. No one is required to hire any of us.


Absolutely true.

Will you then scream for his incarceration when he steals a loaf of bread?


I'm not screaming for it now. I do think some people are evil, and no rehabilitation is likely to change that.

There's no cure for sociopathy. The best he can do is learn the rules of being civilized and follow them. You know, pretend. Like Trump, holding the bible upside down and quoting from 2 corinthians. Making an effort.
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