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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:20 pm 
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Completely fair.

I grew up through public schools, went to a Catholic university while my brother went to a Jesuit university. He acted like our schools were the same…they were not the same.


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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:21 pm 
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i dont think Lutherans believe in heaven and hell

They absolutely do believe in heaven and hell.



Only the Missouri Synod Lutherans

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:54 am 
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The thing that kills me about the Johnny-come-latelys is when they refer to a saint as St. Luke or St. Etc. Look, bitches, we got a process for that, and you ain't involved. Go splay rabbit entrails over your lawn and read them for omens or whatever you do.

Among white folx, Catholics would have a better football team.

In all seriousness, the idea of faith over works is bonkers. Actually, that's something I really think is rational. Having a "close personal relationship with God" is a weird concept, unless you are talking about meditating. I'm an agnostic, though.

There's really only two choices, God or The Programmer. Unless you want to fall for the snake oil of the something from nothing Quantum fields or the"infinite" multiverses.

The highest probability is that we are just a series of chemical reactions. We don't look at the sun and the stars and think they have a higher power. It's simply a chemical reaction. In pieces, we can break down everything our body does similarly. A higher power isn't digesting my food, or processing oxygen, or growing my hair. Yet, at some point, when we combine enough of those processes, we have to add in a section we can't explain and have no real reason to even speculate on that a higher power has intervened to make those chemical reactions more than it would otherwise be.

That's not to say that a higher power doesn't exist. However, the higher power really should have no expectation in a true belief in it as all evidence of that existence stopped being provided about 2,000 years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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That was like the end of Billy Madison.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
That was like the end of Billy Madison.
Just wait until someone tries to make a fact based argument about why a higher power is the most likely answer. That is if anyone even tries.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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a quick study of religion tells me that Lutherans believe that faith in Jesus is enough to enter Heaven, whereas Catholics believe in the rituals, good vs bad deeds and atonement for such and forgiveness in order to be considered worthy of heaven.

and the catholic church also covers up the rape of children



Papists don't read the Bible. That's why they believe good works can get them into heaven.

John 3:16


Faith alone? No


Take it up with the guy who wrote the Bible. I think that's God via His servant, John.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

That's as clear and unambiguous as "...shall not be infringed."

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
a quick study of religion tells me that Lutherans believe that faith in Jesus is enough to enter Heaven, whereas Catholics believe in the rituals, good vs bad deeds and atonement for such and forgiveness in order to be considered worthy of heaven.

and the catholic church also covers up the rape of children



Papists don't read the Bible. That's why they believe good works can get them into heaven.

John 3:16


Faith alone? No

With faith comes responsibilities. It's not really faith if those responsibilities aren't accepted.


It's odd that a person would think someone who has accepted Jesus as his personal savior would follow up that acceptance by acting in a manner antithetical to it.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
That was like the end of Billy Madison.
Just wait until someone tries to make a fact based argument about why a higher power is the most likely answer. That is if anyone even tries.

It's deductive reasoning insofar as "likely answers" are snake oil. String theory is a disaster and the hadron collider is a failure. So, let's talk about probabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNtM0XFTaE


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
a quick study of religion tells me that Lutherans believe that faith in Jesus is enough to enter Heaven, whereas Catholics believe in the rituals, good vs bad deeds and atonement for such and forgiveness in order to be considered worthy of heaven.

and the catholic church also covers up the rape of children



Papists don't read the Bible. That's why they believe good works can get them into heaven.

John 3:16


Faith alone? No

With faith comes responsibilities. It's not really faith if those responsibilities aren't accepted.


It's odd that a person would think someone who has accepted Jesus as his personal savior would follow up that acceptance by acting in a manner antithetical to it.

Seems odd, yet.....


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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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Nardi wrote:
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
That was like the end of Billy Madison.
Just wait until someone tries to make a fact based argument about why a higher power is the most likely answer. That is if anyone even tries.

It's deductive reasoning insofar as "likely answers" are snake oil. String theory is a disaster and the hadron collider is a failure. So, let's talk about probabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNtM0XFTaE

It doesn't matter about string theory or the hadron collider though I don't know what you mean with that. If they were correct we'd just add a similar mysterious layer of "God did it" like we do with other things.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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Brick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Brick wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
That was like the end of Billy Madison.
Just wait until someone tries to make a fact based argument about why a higher power is the most likely answer. That is if anyone even tries.

It's deductive reasoning insofar as "likely answers" are snake oil. String theory is a disaster and the hadron collider is a failure. So, let's talk about probabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNtM0XFTaE

It doesn't matter about string theory or the hadron collider though I don't know what you mean with that. If they were correct we'd just add a similar mysterious layer of "God did it" like we do with other things.

Just stick with Creator. Saying God triggers too many and it affects their rationality.


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It doesn't matter about string theory or the hadron collider though I don't know what you mean with that. If they were correct we'd just add a similar mysterious layer of "God did it" like we do with other things.


This part easy. People wanting to question things like this or the Big Bang simply ask "okay what was before that?". They just ask a question.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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look, Lutheranism is just fine for those who want to put their faith in something purely derivative and based in traitorousness instead of its originating theology handed down by God himself. I mean, some people will vote for Desantis over Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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It doesn't matter about string theory or the hadron collider though I don't know what you mean with that. If they were correct we'd just add a similar mysterious layer of "God did it" like we do with other things.


This part easy. People wanting to question things like this or the Big Bang simply ask "okay what was before that?". They just ask a question.
You don't need to know what happened since the start of eternity to be correct about what happened during the observable part of your little slice of eternity.

I don't know what I existed as 300 years ago either. It doesn't mean I should question how I came to be in this current observable part of my existence.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Nicholas
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look, Lutheranism is just fine for those who want to put their faith in something purely derivative and based in traitorousness instead of its originating theology handed down by God himself. I mean, some people will vote for Desantis over Trump.


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good dolphin wrote:
look, Lutheranism is just fine for those who want to put their faith in something purely derivative and based in traitorousness instead of its originating theology handed down by God himself. I mean, some people will vote for Desantis over Trump.


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