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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.

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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.

I think he was hatched.

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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.


I know someone living in a similar situation. They alternate weeks with the kids and he has to drive from Chicago to Joliet to take the kids to school. It's an insane arrangement.

Why is mom the default custodial parent? I think it is probably the right decision in most cases, but I'm not sure why courts default to the mother having the kids

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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.

Just had a discussion about this last night someone was absolving the father of the asshole kid because the mother makes it difficult on him to see the kid

I'm of the opinion that if you get your situation together for the kid and wanna see your kid you will make it happen and the father is 50% responsible for the child

The thing is a lot of dads say "oh she's a bitch she won't let me see the kids more" but they're perfectly happy to see their kids for 3 hours every other Saturday

I know courts favor the mother but if you want more time with your kids, in most cases it's possible. It may require a lot of work and sacrifice but that's just part of the job.


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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.

I know it's not possible for everyone but I made it a point to live within a 5 minute drive 1/2 mile of where my daughter lives so the traveling aspect is not a problem

Weve always split custody I've always had her at least 3 to 4 days a week. It takes some work and some moving things around but you can make this situation work provided you're willing to adapt to the kid's life we both pick her up and drive her the practices in school and events and it's not a long trip and I think it's worked out pretty well for us


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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.

It's like how a quarterback who is drafted by the Browns is going to fail because it is the Browns. Some kids are the Browns of destroying parents.

Yea sometimes you just don't vibe with the kid


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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.

It's like how a quarterback who is drafted by the Browns is going to fail because it is the Browns. Some kids are the Browns of destroying parents.

Yea sometimes you just don't vibe with the kid


Maybe you should just be able to get rid of them. Not like 10 year old abortions. More like some synonym of punting.

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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.


Why is mom the default custodial parent? I think it is probably the right decision in most cases, but I'm not sure why courts default to the mother having the kids


Because mom is, more often than not, the primary caretaker of the kids.

I'd say 85% of my cases have mom ending up with the kids. 10% of the time the parents split the kids 50/50. 5% of the time dad ends up with the kids because mom is a nut.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.

I know it's not possible for everyone but I made it a point to live within a 5 minute drive 1/2 mile of where my daughter lives so the traveling aspect is not a problem

Weve always split custody I've always had her at least 3 to 4 days a week. It takes some work and some moving things around but you can make this situation work provided you're willing to adapt to the kid's life we both pick her up and drive her the practices in school and events and it's not a long trip and I think it's worked out pretty well for us


Everyone isn't a fighter. Even when it comes to their kids. Life has taught me that. There are a lot of advantages for mothers. Those who can't afford a private attorney can get a court appointed attorney. Some fathers don't think a custody fight is worth the cost of getting gouged by an attorney who is playing off your raw emotions. Plus, men lose in court most of the time.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Franky T wrote:
Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.

I know it's not possible for everyone but I made it a point to live within a 5 minute drive 1/2 mile of where my daughter lives so the traveling aspect is not a problem

Weve always split custody I've always had her at least 3 to 4 days a week. It takes some work and some moving things around but you can make this situation work provided you're willing to adapt to the kid's life we both pick her up and drive her the practices in school and events and it's not a long trip and I think it's worked out pretty well for us


Everyone isn't a fighter. Even when it comes to their kids. Life has taught me that. There are a lot of advantages for mothers. Those who can't afford a private attorney can get a court appointed attorney. Some fathers don't think a custody fight is worth the cost of getting gouged by an attorney who is playing off your raw emotions. Plus, men lose in court most of the time.

That's all true but if there's ever something worth fighting for or even taking a financial hit, it's this.

I know some people don't gave the means but a lot of people could and choose not to


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Are we back to the 50's? Not MANY think that way anymore. Some might and I suspect you just proved up a case where someone did. Not really something to think about.



Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.


Why is mom the default custodial parent? I think it is probably the right decision in most cases, but I'm not sure why courts default to the mother having the kids


Because mom is, more often than not, the primary caretaker of the kids.

I'd say 85% of my cases have mom ending up with the kids. 10% of the time the parents split the kids 50/50. 5% of the time dad ends up with the kids because mom is a nut.


It seems to me that the mother being the default parent for residential custody isn't really the case anymore. It just happens that the father isn't usually going to fight for equal parenting time unless he's trying to shaft the wife out of support.

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There's a handful of people who benefit from a prolonged custody battle and it ain't mom, dad, or the kids.

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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.

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I know someone living in a similar situation. They alternate weeks with the kids and he has to drive from Chicago to Joliet to take the kids to school. It's an insane arrangement.
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Yeah, that's not my experience. Most of the time I run into the man who never did shit for his kids while the parties were married and suddenly wants to be a hands-on dad so he can avoid/reduce his child support obligation.


Yep! Or he believes he will pay less child support if he spends a few minutes with his child. Some of these mothers are shit parents too, but the court forces them to "care" for the kid.

I'm seeing MANY such cases lately. MANY unmarried parents entering into 50/50 visitation schedules because they can't handle having the kid(s) the majority of the time. I don't see how this arrangement is beneficial to the kids because oftentimes the parents live nowhere near each other and the kid is being shuttled back and forth MANY miles each week between two households.

Had a lady who lives in DuPage County tell me this week that her and kid's father (who lives in Chicago) split time with the kid. Kid goes to school in Chicago and she gets the kid up at 3:45am on her days in order to get kid to school on time. That's no way for a kid to live.


Why is mom the default custodial parent? I think it is probably the right decision in most cases, but I'm not sure why courts default to the mother having the kids


Because mom is, more often than not, the primary caretaker of the kids.

I'd say 85% of my cases have mom ending up with the kids. 10% of the time the parents split the kids 50/50. 5% of the time dad ends up with the kids because mom is a nut.


It seems to me that the mother being the default parent for residential custody isn't really the case anymore. It just happens that the father isn't usually going to fight for equal parenting time unless he's trying to shaft the wife out of support.

I've been pretty open about this on here in other threads....

Women still get the default residential custody. The Mom would have to be a complete strung-out crackhead to lose. For me....the battle wasn't worth it. I would have fought it had I thought I had a chance...I would have lost and it would have been an ugly expensive battle.

I paid dearly over 7 years. The law is the law. My issue isn't that I had to pay...my issue is that my ex used the money to support herself and did very little to increase her own earning potential. She did is little as she had to do because she had money from me she could count on. It sucks, but you can't legally force someone to be motivated.

As RPB mentioned, I lived within 10 minutes of my kids and was able to maintain the same level of involvement as I always had. My kids live with me now full time as she moved 40 minutes away. It all worked out fine, but I would not call it fair by any stretch. I don't know how to make it more fair. It is what it is and I've always maintained that the long-standing history of deadbeat fathers are what caused the default custody to go to the Mom.

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I know someone living in a similar situation. They alternate weeks with the kids and he has to drive from Chicago to Joliet to take the kids to school. It's an insane arrangement.


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I know someone living in a similar situation. They alternate weeks with the kids and he has to drive from Chicago to Joliet to take the kids to school. It's an insane arrangement.


They should just meet at the Hinsdale Oasis.

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I've been pretty open about this on here in other threads....

Women still get the default residential custody. The Mom would have to be a complete strung-out crackhead to lose. For me....the battle wasn't worth it. I would have fought it had I thought I had a chance...I would have lost and it would have been an ugly expensive battle.

I paid dearly over 7 years. The law is the law. My issue isn't that I had to pay...my issue is that my ex used the money to support herself and did very little to increase her own earning potential. She did is little as she had to do because she had money from me she could count on. It sucks, but you can't legally force someone to be motivated.

As RPB mentioned, I lived within 10 minutes of my kids and was able to maintain the same level of involvement as I always had. My kids live with me now full time as she moved 40 minutes away. It all worked out fine, but I would not call it fair by any stretch. I don't know how to make it more fair. It is what it is and I've always maintained that the long-standing history of deadbeat fathers are what caused the default custody to go to the Mom.


As Spiral can confirm, a lot has changed in the last few years. It may even be more than a few years since the statute changed. It's been awhile.

The term "custody" isn't even used anymore. And support is based on "income shares."

It really isn't like it used to be where the mother had to be a real shithead not to get custody.

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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.


As they should be, and you wonder why nobody posts here anymore. But if you must know, both past away last year..one in November of 2021 and the other parent the week before Christmas. But make your jokes asshole


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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.


As they should be, and you wonder why nobody posts here anymore. But if you must know, both past away last year..one in November of 2021 and the other parent the week before Christmas. But make your jokes asshole


Okay, "Bob."

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There's a handful of people who benefit from a prolonged custody battle and it ain't mom, dad, or the kids.

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I know someone living in a similar situation. They alternate weeks with the kids and he has to drive from Chicago to Joliet to take the kids to school. It's an insane arrangement.


They should just meet at the Hinsdale Oasis.

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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.


As they should be, and you wonder why nobody posts here anymore. But if you must know, both past away last year..one in November of 2021 and the other parent the week before Christmas. But make your jokes asshole


Past

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Caller Bob wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.


As they should be, and you wonder why nobody posts here anymore. But if you must know, both past away last year..one in November of 2021 and the other parent the week before Christmas. But make your jokes asshole


Sorry for your loss, Bob. I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.


I know "families are off limits" but your query makes me wonder if Caller Bob's parents are still together.


As they should be, and you wonder why nobody posts here anymore. But if you must know, both past away last year..one in November of 2021 and the other parent the week before Christmas. But make your jokes asshole

Were they vaccinated?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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What percentage of parents do get divorced because the kids just kind of suck? I know they have to say "Kids, this isn't your fault" but it's got to be the kids fault at least some of the time doesn't it?


100% it's because of the kids. The parents don't know how to deal and the kids suffer the consequences.

I'm talking about the ones where the parents would be good but they just got one or more duds as kids.

It's like how a quarterback who is drafted by the Browns is going to fail because it is the Browns. Some kids are the Browns of destroying parents.

Yea sometimes you just don't vibe with the kid


Maybe you should just be able to get rid of them. Not like 10 year old abortions. More like some synonym of punting.



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a friend of mine sought and received full custody of his son.

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