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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 1:10 pm 
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Considering the Vikings pass defense is rated lower than the Lions (Minn 26th, Det 22nd in DVOA pass defense), if you want inc Fields value for a potential trade for picks I'd send him out for a quarter or a half with a bunch of scripted, easy for Fields pass plays. And then sit him once he's put enough on tape to maybe fool the guys down in Carolina or New Orleans or Pittsburgh or wherever Fields could be traded to.

you're not trying to win the game and possibly drop down in draft position. Three teams with 4 wins sitting right behind the Bears, not sure who has the tie-breakers in draft position when 2 teams have the same record and haven't played each other that season. And even if they did play, does the winner get to move up or does the loser get the better draft slot between 2 teams with the same record. Maybe it's done with a coin flip or 4-sided die role


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:21 am 
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best way to make Fields look good is to not throw to Pettis or Brown

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Until he learns ( and he’s had an entire season to learn it and hasnt ) what NFL open looks like youre going to keep getting 75 yard passing days against the worst pass defense in the league .

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best way to make Fields look good is to not throw to Pettis or Brown

Pettis and Brown probably feel the same way about Fields.


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best way to make Fields look good is to not throw to Pettis or Brown

Pettis and Brown probably feel the same way about Fields.


:lol: :lol:

Somewhere Chase Claypool is still waving his arms.

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is his playbook under one of them?

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is his playbook under one of them?

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:lol: :lol: Probably. He played 4 snaps in the first half and forced 2 penalties. He played most of the 2nd half but only had 1 ball thrown in his direction. Despite being open, Fields says he has to see how Claypool runs routes before he stops throwing the ball to Pringle, Pettis and blocking St. Brown.

Fields wants Claypool to stay patient and not get upset by his lack of targets. The media Saif that was great leadership. Seriously, they said that.

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My only hope for Fields’ passing is it is the coaches fault. If not, yuck.

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In retrospect maybe you know what you have in Claypool if it's Sieman feeding him 8-12 passes per game. Peterman is good if you want to test the pass catching skills of the opposing defensive backs. Fields is good if you want the opposing DBs to rest all game.

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In retrospect maybe you know what you have in Claypool if it's Sieman feeding him 8-12 passes per game. Peterman is good if you want to test the pass catching skills of the opposing defensive backs. Fields is good if you want the opposing DBs to rest all game.


I think the Bears fear letting bum ass Peterman play and he lights up the Vikings. It would kill Fields stock. Even Siemian played well against the Jets defense before the pain medicine wore off.

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Hub again today saying Fields wasn't even an average passer. P & S 2 weeks ago now Bernstein played it down. Hub didn't endorse but floated out the idea of keeping Fields as a multi position utility player and drafting another QB.


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It would be foolish to try to make Fields Taysom Hill.

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Nas wrote:
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In retrospect maybe you know what you have in Claypool if it's Sieman feeding him 8-12 passes per game. Peterman is good if you want to test the pass catching skills of the opposing defensive backs. Fields is good if you want the opposing DBs to rest all game.


I think the Bears fear letting bum ass Peterman play and he lights up the Vikings. It would kill Fields stock. Even Siemian played well against the Jets defense before the pain medicine wore off.

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Hub again today saying Fields wasn't even an average passer. P & S 2 weeks ago now Bernstein played it down. Hub didn't endorse but floated out the idea of keeping Fields as a multi position utility player and drafting another QB.


thats like saying a team had a terrible loss without mentioning how the line played

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Hub again today saying Fields wasn't even an average passer. P & S 2 weeks ago now Bernstein played it down. Hub didn't endorse but floated out the idea of keeping Fields as a multi position utility player and drafting another QB.

The idiot sitting in with Bernstein towing the Fields media dickriding linequite nicely. Wants to talk about how great a runner he is, not his fault as a passer because the team is bad.

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I've got a lot of respect for Hub being his own man with his Fields' opinions. Not following along being a sheep when talking with fellow liberals Score hosts and not adhering to the Score "Fields is god-like" mandated Score slant.


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I've got a lot of respect for Hub being his own man with his Fields' opinions. Not following along being a sheep when talking with fellow liberals Score hosts and not adhering to the Score "Fields is god-like" mandated Score slant.


People that are so insecure and afraid of direct conversation that they only engage in conversation with like-minded people that will agree with them are incredibly boring, they do not even know what they don't know.

They continue to do something they claim to be sports talk radio at WSCR, but it sounds more like a bunch of scared children searching for validation amongst a carefully selected peer group than grown ass men talking about sports.

They had it right at the beginning of the station, put a bunch of goofs from different backgrounds into rooms, have them give the wildly different takes you would expect when a guy from Harvard talks to a guy that owned a hot dog stand, then you sprinkle in odd men like Uncle Terry and Murph, it made for some entertaining stuff.

Can only think the current afternoon guys would sprint toward their safe spaces after 30 seconds of transition with North or Uncle Terry, after all Mully was so shaken by transition that he took his ball and went home after a few subtle jabs.


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vitoscotti wrote:
I've got a lot of respect for Hub being his own man with his Fields' opinions. Not following along being a sheep when talking with fellow liberals Score hosts and not adhering to the Score "Fields is god-like" mandated Score slant.


People that are so insecure and afraid of direct conversation that they only engage in conversation with like-minded people that will agree with them are incredibly boring, they do not even know what they don't know.

They continue to do something they claim to be sports talk radio at WSCR, but it sounds more like a bunch of scared children searching for validation amongst a carefully selected peer group than grown ass men talking about sports.

They had it right at the beginning of the station, put a bunch of goofs from different backgrounds into rooms, have them give the wildly different takes you would expect when a guy from Harvard talks to a guy that owned a hot dog stand, then you sprinkle in odd men like Uncle Terry and Murph, it made for some entertaining stuff.

Can only think the current afternoon guys would sprint toward their safe spaces after 30 seconds of transition with North or Uncle Terry, after all Mully was so shaken by transition that he took his ball and went home after a few subtle jabs.


You just saw what happened when someone with I wont even say different opinion but one who wondered aloud if a football game would / should continue . Pitchforks and torches and thats a guy with national juice and succesful career . No way are the guys on local radio going to rock that boat and risk facing the mob. I get the feeling the only reason the hosts arent challenging Hub on his non-mandated Fields opinion is because of the heart attack.

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Clawmaster wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
I've got a lot of respect for Hub being his own man with his Fields' opinions. Not following along being a sheep when talking with fellow liberals Score hosts and not adhering to the Score "Fields is god-like" mandated Score slant.


People that are so insecure and afraid of direct conversation that they only engage in conversation with like-minded people that will agree with them are incredibly boring, they do not even know what they don't know.

They continue to do something they claim to be sports talk radio at WSCR, but it sounds more like a bunch of scared children searching for validation amongst a carefully selected peer group than grown ass men talking about sports.

They had it right at the beginning of the station, put a bunch of goofs from different backgrounds into rooms, have them give the wildly different takes you would expect when a guy from Harvard talks to a guy that owned a hot dog stand, then you sprinkle in odd men like Uncle Terry and Murph, it made for some entertaining stuff.

Can only think the current afternoon guys would sprint toward their safe spaces after 30 seconds of transition with North or Uncle Terry, after all Mully was so shaken by transition that he took his ball and went home after a few subtle jabs.


You just saw what happened when someone with I wont even say different opinion but one who wondered aloud if a football game would / should continue . Pitchforks and torches and thats a guy with national juice and succesful career . No way are the guys on local radio going to rock that boat and risk facing the mob. I get the feeling the only reason the hosts arent challenging Hub on his non-mandated Fields opinion is because of the heart attack.

They may have held back a little on Hub because of that, but Hub has done this a long time. He has his issues, but the guy does have a pretty good resume and knows what he's talking about. That also factors in.

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If Fields continues this path, is it a career killer for Parkins?


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If Fields continues this path, is it a career killer for Parkins?


No. Does anyone remember Parkins was blowing Nagy until September of his final season?

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If Fields continues this path, is it a career killer for Parkins?


No. Does anyone remember Parkins was blowing Nagy until September of his final season?

Of course. It's part of the equation since I actually did lose respect for him. When he first showed up, I liked him instantly. He came from KC, so I made an assumption about his knowledge. Man, was I wrong. His entire sports knowledge is based on his gambling victories and defeats. Turns out, I've forgotten more about sports than he's ever known.


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Spiegel was right! Fields has 4,112 yards passing. But in 27 games!

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I don't think it's possible he'll ever have 4k passing yards in a season. He could have 4k total yards in a special season.

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why would it be controversial to question Fields' ability to be a long-term starter in the league?


Fields ranks last in DYAR (overall value) and DVOA (per play value).

Bottom 10 ranked only in charts below, top 23 cut out. Redskins have 2 QB's who qualify with the min 200 attempts; both in the bottom 10 to boot. WTG Washington:

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Fields is also 2nd to last in completion percentage--only Zach "Hello? CFL?" Wilson has a lower comp percentage this season among NFL QB's with >= 200 pass attempts.


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I still do not get why the Score folks would take one side so strongly as opposed to balanced. As a society, league and fandom we are way past the black qb issue. Not sure why it even matters.

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why would it be controversial to question Fields' ability to be a long-term starter in the league?


Fields ranks last in DYAR (overall value) and DVOA (per play value).

Bottom 10 ranked only in charts below, top 23 cut out. Redskins have 2 QB's who qualify with the min 200 attempts; both in the bottom 10 to boot. WTG Washington:

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Fields is also 2nd to last in completion percentage--only Zach "Hello? CFL?" Wilson has a lower comp percentage this season among NFL QB's with >= 200 pass attempts.


"He doesn't have any weapons. He doesn't have an offensive line. It's just him."

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I dunno, Fields isn't just last by a smidge or a reasonable margin (whatever tf that might be). He nearly laps the next to last guy in the wrong direction.

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MAYFIELD -175
WILSON -212
MILLS -244
RYAN -373
FIELDS - 569

Same thing with the DVOA numbers.


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"The Bears ruined him."

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If you're the Bears front office and Eberflus and his guys say Fields' ain't it, feed those narratives in the background.

Team sucked around him, coaches sucked + we're the Bears.

Maybe you'll get some team to bite on a trade. Although I think if any NFL team does their due diligence and breaks down Fields tape game by game, they won't be offering a 1st round pick. Maybe multiple 2nds and later round picks would be enough? Probably not, considering what you paid for Fields and his performance as a running QB + relatively low cap hit still next season + the discounted value of the odds he figures out the passing side of the game.


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