He's actually been pretty average at perimeter D this year when last year he had to be taken out of games because of it. The opposing center isn't getting wide open 3s any more. It's one of many reasons why the defense this year isn't horrible.

I'd love to see him come back. There hasn't been a repeat national title since 2007.

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i love you Brick!

He is definitely getting better.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

BRick...that is a fantastic video
Yeah...Isiah, who you crappin? He dealt it out as much anyone!

I will say...no one can question his toughness. He was a badass.

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No doubt. He was a tough MFer. I would have loved to heard some of the chats that he and Knight had back at the day at IU.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I think he moreso meant Jordan in terms of whom he never hit. He stole on Mahorn and Paxson before. I remember him clocking Paxson because Paxson fouled him on a hand that was injured before.

Isiah Thomas wasn't a mark and definitely "West Side Tough". He wasn't scared of anyone.

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He seemed afraid of reason while he was running the New York Knicks into the ground. Is he still getting Jerome James paid?

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Tough to "run" a franchise into ground whose starting point is already the dirt anyway. But hey the purpose of a "revisionist" is to "revise" isn't it? Just Asking A Question

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Bad Boys Marketing by the NBA actually hurt Isiah in terms of his standing in NBA history. He would definitely be considered Top 20 All Time without it.

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I remember the first Hoops basketball card set
David Robinson was the big card to get
But the Bad Boys one was good too

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Joe Dumars never seemed to have the stink of that group attached to him

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Quite a few of them didn't. Buddha Edward's, Vinnie Johnson, Dantley when he was there. Aguirre wasn't either. Isiah wasn't a dirty player either. But he was the so called team leader which meant that a lot of the taint would come his way.

The dirty players were Mahorn, Laimbeer, Rodman and to degree Salley.

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Thomas was dirty, maybe not as dirty as some others but he was a big instigator.

Dumars was the guy who stayed out of it generally.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

It's fun to read the Bulls/Jordan fan narrative. As if Bill Cartwright wasn't throwing his elbows into guys' noses constantly. And of course Rodman, Salley, and Edwards were all filthy scumbags until they played with Jordan, at which time they became members of the supporting cast in a beautiful ballet.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I avoided the word taint.

You didn't.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Yep. Oakley was a butcher. Cartwright was a butcher and so was Scott Williams and Ed Neely. There was quite a few things that Zeke said which was spot on. One of them was that this was how the game was played back then and the Bad Boys were hardly the inventers of that style. Hell every team back had guys that were being celebrated and lauded for being nothing more than "enforcers of the game".

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They had other guys too that stayed out of it for the most part. But the point of is that overall he was not a dirty player. And besides the tough, physical and borderline dirty play didn't start with Pistons players. It started with their coach Chuck Daly. He was the guy that brought that rough house style of play to the team. Before he got there they were a run and gun team (sort of like Denver East) that couldn't win any games. When he became the coach he flipped it to a slower more methodical physical style of play and the "Bad Boys" were born. If he didn't embrace that they would never have become that.

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No doubt the Bulls and pretty much every team had guys who would willingly get dirty if needed. But the Pistons took that to a different level where it really became their identity and Isiah was right in the middle of that. He can sit and say he wasnt all day but anyone that watched can clearly see he was right in the middle of it all.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Of course the Bulls had enforcers. You had to have them with the way the game was.

However, the younger Pistons players did evolve away from the style too. Even Rodman went more towards massive annoyance rather than violence though obviously he did have his moments with players and cameramen. I think that actually proves the point though. Those players were able to play in a less physical league and be just fine. Somehow, the Bad Boy Pistons couldn't adjust to a league where you can't just hit anyone whenever you feel like it.

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Thompson instigated, cheer led the chaos, and choked his coach. His revisionist history is par for the course. He stuck it to Magic, the Raptors, the Knicks, and the CBA. He fired a woman because she wouldn't put out. His reputation should be WORSE. It isn't, only because he was a great player.

OK let's go down the line with the spin
1. So he "stuck" or "ruined" an expansion franchise? How is that possible?

2. Knicks were a shit franchise when he got there and have been a shit franchise since he left.

3. The CBA stuff is a score induced narrative that isn't based in fact.


4. The sexual harassment stuff is something that he should have been held accountable for and he was.

5. Which coach did he "choke"? I don't recall that one.

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Brendan "Malone".

https://ballislife.com/when-a-bloody-is ... s%20throat.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

He also was the best player on the team and the recipient of a ton of dirty play. As he said he got hit too. Often. That's how the game was played back then.

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ltg didn't watch the 26 minute video of Thomas fighting people. That was in it.

ltg can't even handle watching Thomas do bad things.

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But nothing about Cartwright and his "dirty play"

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It is a thread about Isiah. Feel free to start a thread about the dirty play of Cartwright

And you asked what this was about?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

You're a smart guy, BRick. Do you really not see what you're doing?

Bulls player = enforcer
Pistons player = dirty

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

That knocks out Thomas' primary complaint though that the cleaning up of the game was done for the Bulls benefit. It was done for the benefit of everyone. It just so happens that the Pistons relied more heavily on that extreme style of basketball than anyone. Is anyone wishing that the modern NBA would return to how games were played in the late 80s?

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I knew that he slapped and fought a fee guys in his career. Still didn't mean he was a dirty player.

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