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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.


The Jets and Colts and Raiders would still cough up something decent for him.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.


The Jets and Colts and Raiders would still cough up something decent for him.


His cap hit isn't small. His dead cap hit is even bigger.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.


The Jets and Colts and Raiders would still cough up something decent for him.


His cap hit isn't small. His dead cap hit is even bigger.

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Plus his family can’t stand him.

People forget about that.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.


The Jets and Colts and Raiders would still cough up something decent for him.


His cap hit isn't small. His dead cap hit is even bigger.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-p ... C778%2C568

Plus his family can’t stand him.

People forget about that.


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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.

I still maintain that contract is not moveable.
For a team to bring him in, they'd have to completely destroy their whole cap situation AND give away high draft picks. I don't see it happening.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.

I still maintain that contract is not moveable.
For a team to bring him in, they'd have to completely destroy their whole cap situation AND give away high draft picks. I don't see it happening.


I don't either. Especially for 1 year.

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The Raiders or Colts could do it. He would be with his Brofriends in Indy which would make him happy. Everyone assumes they are going to go and draft a qb and go the long route but I wouldn't say that is a lock. They have a crazy and growingly impatient owner. Look what he did with the HC position this year. Ballard is also on the hot seat and the last thing you want to do with a guy on the hot seat is to give him another 3 years to groom a QB. The Packers still get the awful dead money hit so its not like you are assuming the whole contract.

The Raiders make sense but I don't know if McDaniels would hand him the OC position. It may be his best option to win and retain his job though so maybe he lets him run the Rodgers show and tries to help add some new twists to it. They also have a crazy owner. I think they get Brady though.

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The Raiders or Colts could do it. He would be with his Brofriends in Indy which would make him happy. Everyone assumes they are going to go and draft a qb and go the long route but I wouldn't say that is a lock. They have a crazy and growingly impatient owner. Look what he did with the HC position this year. Ballard is also on the hot seat and the last thing you want to do with a guy on the hot seat is to give him another 3 years to groom a QB. The Packers still get the awful dead money hit so its not like you are assuming the whole contract.

The Raiders make sense but I don't know if McDaniels would hand him the OC position. It may be his best option to win and retain his job though so maybe he lets him run the Rodgers show and tries to help add some new twists to it. They also have a crazy owner. I think they get Brady though.


I can't see Brady going to the Raiders unless they make serious upgrades to their O-line.

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I can't see Brady going anywhere Gronk can't follow. I could possibly see Brady in Indy, but I think he still respects Kraft.

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After last season, who gives you anything of value for Rodgers? Especially when he's probably retiring after next year, and he prefers doing drugs over working out with his teammates during the offseason.

I still maintain that contract is not moveable.
For a team to bring him in, they'd have to completely destroy their whole cap situation AND give away high draft picks. I don't see it happening.

I am with BigW here.

I think he either plays another year in GB or retires.

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The Raiders or Colts could do it. He would be with his Brofriends in Indy which would make him happy. Everyone assumes they are going to go and draft a qb and go the long route but I wouldn't say that is a lock. They have a crazy and growingly impatient owner. Look what he did with the HC position this year. Ballard is also on the hot seat and the last thing you want to do with a guy on the hot seat is to give him another 3 years to groom a QB. The Packers still get the awful dead money hit so its not like you are assuming the whole contract.

The Raiders make sense but I don't know if McDaniels would hand him the OC position. It may be his best option to win and retain his job though so maybe he lets him run the Rodgers show and tries to help add some new twists to it. They also have a crazy owner. I think they get Brady though.


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Vegan, you blame Gute and say he has sucked. Explain how Rodgers had back to back MVP REGULAR seasons, but failed in the playoffs. Clearly over a 17 game schedule he had plenty of talent. But maybe he has developed an issue in the playoffs. I am good with moving on, and I openly admit he may go somewhere and be great, and that is cool. Just seems like it is time. End of thoughts ...


That's easy, Porky. You spent two picks on your backup QB, including a first rounder. Had Gute had a brain, those two picks would be starting for the Packers during the two playoff games you mentioned. One of those starters should have been/could have been Tee Higgins. Tell me this: do your odds to win increase during those two games if Tee Higgins is lined up on the right and Adams is on the left? Only UMN would say no.

I don't see this as a "playoff issue," things tighten up defensively in the playoffs, we all know that. You surround Rodgers with more weapons then it only increases the Packs' ability to destroy defenses. They didn't do that and the championship window passed them by. Gute squandered it all for Love. It's a tragedy to be honest.

You can want to move on and that's cool but you and a few others here have this sort of Jerry Krause complex - organizations win championships, not players. That's simply not the case. Rodgers is why you're relevant, not the front office/Gute. Not sure why Gute's approval rating is high on this board when it's really Rodgers that makes things go.

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It was 12 years ago today that Aaron Rodgers won his lone NFC Championship game due to a starting quarterback getting hurt, a second string quarterback leading two 3-and-out drives, and a third string quarterback throwing two 4th quarter interceptions. This valiant effort thrust him into the pantheon of other notable one time NFC Champions such as Rex Grossman, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, and Cris Chandler.

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Seeing several reports this morning that the Packers want to move on from Rodgers and he is aware of it. Let the games and fun begin.

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Seeing several reports this morning that the Packers want to move on from Rodgers and he is aware of it. Let the games and fun begin.


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The Packers currently are projected to be more than $16 million over next season's salary cap and have a list of impending free agents that includes some of Rodgers' closest friends on the team: Randall Cobb, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Allen Lazard and Mason Crosby.

Aaron Jones also is slated to have a cap number of $20 million, and the Packers could save $10.4 million against the cap if they were to cut or trade the star running back. Green Bay also could save $16 million if it designated Jones as a post-June 1 cut.

So this is a Packers franchise at a crossroads -- no more so than at quarterback, where Rodgers is due $59.5 million in guaranteed money this year and another $49.25 million in 2024.


I don't understand, Zippy continues to insist that the NFL salary cap is nothing more than a myth ??!!


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The Packers currently are projected to be more than $16 million over next season's salary cap and have a list of impending free agents that includes some of Rodgers' closest friends on the team: Randall Cobb, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Allen Lazard and Mason Crosby.

Aaron Jones also is slated to have a cap number of $20 million, and the Packers could save $10.4 million against the cap if they were to cut or trade the star running back. Green Bay also could save $16 million if it designated Jones as a post-June 1 cut.

So this is a Packers franchise at a crossroads -- no more so than at quarterback, where Rodgers is due $59.5 million in guaranteed money this year and another $49.25 million in 2024.


I don't understand, Zippy continues to insist that the NFL salary cap is nothing more than a myth ??!!

I realize it's asking a lot to expect you to understand the concept of context but I'll try one more time. I used the term myth to respond to to those who thought the Packers would have to blow up their team the last 2 years because of some daunting salary cap numbers. I don't deny that some decisions must be made each year when a high number kicks in, but the gist of my point is that it's nowhere near as dire as screaming "$16 million over that cap" makes it sound. Outside of Lazard, most of the "friends" you've listed above will likely be allowed to walk with minimal effect on the actual performance of the team. They (and pretty much every other team) finagle contracts to keep the guys they need. Your story highlights AJones contract, but doesn't mention that a more likely option is to restructure it to lower his cap hit by roughly the same amount as cutting him. They can also restructure Alexander, Clark, P. Smith & potentially Bakhtiari if they view he's healthy. They'll extend Gary and convert some roster bonuses into signing bonuses and the (non-QB) core of the team remains in tact. The reality with Rodgers is that he is big hit whether he stays or goes so that's already been taken into account. In any case, the cap isn't what lead to their decline last year nor will it be the determining factor next year.

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They robbed him and the whole fanbase by stupid roster management. I dont get how Gute isn't on the hot seat. Incompetent as hell.

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You are clearly too young to remember the 1985 Bears.

The demise of the ’85 Bears: ‘It’s been 30 years of angst’By Mark Potash Jan 28, 2016

When you strip away the aura of the ’85 Bears — the dominating defense, the larger-than-life hilarity of William “The Refrigerator” Perry, the iconic presence of Mike Ditka, the “Super Bowl Shuffle” and the irrepressible personalities from Sweetness to Mongo to McMahon, the most famous championship team in Chicago’s history is basically known for two things — winning Super Bowl XX and winning only Super Bowl XX.

With the makings of at least a mini-dynasty — the three-titles-in-five-years kind if not a Patriots-like 15-year run — the Bears came up empty. They not only didn’t win another Super Bowl, they didn’t even get to another Super Bowl. Didn’t even come close actually. The only time the Ditka-coached Bears even reached the NFC Championship Game, they were outmanned and outclassed in a 28-3 loss to the 49ers in a minus-26 wind chill at Soldier Field in the 1988 postseason.

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Jets making Nathaniel Hackett their OC, after having their 1st through 6th choices for OC to replace LaFleur tell em thanks-but-no-thanks to coaching that mess of a QB situation. Only reason Hackett would be jumping back into coaching so soon is he thinks Rodgers is going to end up following in Favre's footsteps by becoming a Jet and IMing his junk to hottie co-eds.


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