I dont understand any Bears fan going the LOL Packers !! route when we celebrate a qb who can barely break a huddle and have his HoF bust cast for completing a 10 yard out.

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I wish Grossman liked to study film more than he liked beer. Other than that, you'll never hear me say a negative word about Grossman. He's my favorite Bears quarterback. I still recognized that he was Favre so the expectations were different.

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Because you're happy winning a mostly shitty division. Being the great guy that he is, Vegan wants more for you. He recognizes that drafting Higgins would have led to at least 1 more Super Bowl appearance and probably a Super Bowl victory. My 5 year old loves certificates that have no monetary value too.

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Yep. Also the fans here are silent because they all happily drink the gute kool aid. Just now on Waddle and Silvy they addressed the disasterous Love trade with an ESPN Milwaukee guy. The point made there was the same here: what the fuck are you doing drafting the future QB when your current QB and the wider team are in the middle of your championship window and need a piece or two to seize the opportunity. The espon Milwaukee guy agreed and said Gute doesn't admit mistakes unlike Ron Wolf. Then they added the equally disasterous Devonte Adams situation which they botched. Under no circumstances do you separate Jordan and Pippen in their prime. That's why guys here have a Krause complex and think they're safe the hands of the organization when really it's your superstar combo that made them relevant. Keep that core together and add to it - don't destroy it.

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The idea that we blindly believe in Gute is absurd. There have been a number of picks/signings/releases that have been questioned. His track record is far from perfect. I just don't obsess about 1 pick from 3 years ago the way you do. It's just strange.

I'll make you a deal though. If Love turns out to be a complete bust (whether it's with the Packers or another team) then I'm willing to come on here and acknowledge that you were correct and Gute completely blew the pick. All you have to do is stop beating a dead horse. Deal?

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But the argument isn't love is a bust, that's not the point. The pick wasn't wrong because love is a bad prospect, the pick was wrong because it robbed the Packers of two players (love cost two picks, not one) it could have used to take control of a NFC conference that was theirs for the taking. It's sort of like prioritizing winning in 2025 and beyond instead of focusing on the window you had in 2019-2021. Again, you didn't like this example, but it's like KC picking a QB this year instead of adding another WR or RB or DE or whatever to strengthen the team around Mahomes and give him more weapons. That's what the Pack should have done - give Rodgers the weapons he needed to return to the championship game - and by not doing so that's why they don't have anything to show for the last three years despite employing the best QB in the NFL. They robbed him (and you) of that opportunity. It was an absolutely backward ass move to make coming off a championship game appearance. There's no bet to be made because the window closed on the Pack, the pick produced nothing during that window, and that's the point.

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This is what it's all about.

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That is a beautiful piece of paper that I don't own, but if people want to keep buying them and putting in the Packers coffers by all means please go ahead. You should get a few Nas.

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Two points to mention to vegan who is struggling a lot in this thread.

1. Your Mahomes analogy makes no sense. If Rodgers was 27 the Love pick doesn't happen. The closest comparable analogs are the Pats drafting Jimmy with an older Brady and the Packers drafting Rodgers with an older Favre.

2. Davante wanted to leave. The Packers were willing to pay him to stay, he didn't want to. There is nothing at all that they botched there. Another obvious signal of your disingenuousness is referring to this tandem as Jordan and Pippen. Is Rodgers one of the biggest chokers in nfl history or is he Michael Jordan? He's both or either, depending on what vegan needs for the argument that day!

Now feel free to continue with your incoherent rambling.

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The Packers could have tagged Adams. A lot of players want to leave.

Rodgers fell to the Packers, they didn't trade up to get him.

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So now the argument is they should have tried to fuck Adams, prevent his payday, and keep him while unhappy? That 100% goes against vegan trying to label this as GB not taking care of their players and having a Krause level detrimental effect on future free agents.

Pick a lane fellas.

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Except Jimmy G was taken in round 2, and the Pats/Brady had already won 5 Super Bowls at that point. Not all that close.

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Do you?

A team that has won 5 Super Bowls and drafted a QB in the second round is in no way shape or form close to the Packers drafting Love.

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It's one of the two closest comps we have seen in the last 20 years. A team with an aging 1st ballot HOFer spends a high pick on a QB while the team is still contending for the playoffs and super bowl.

It's not that hard. Find me a closer comparable if you want to convince me you know the definition of the word closest.

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Already covered my man; viewtopic.php?f=90&t=113803&start=6480#p3893517

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Letting the best WR in the NFL walk when your championship window is getting ready to close is stupid. The tags exist for a reason. He would have agreed to a deal with the threat of the tag. Probably worse than trading up to draft ANOTHER quarterback when you're a receiver away from being in the Super Bowl.

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He had stated he would not play for the tag, now he could have set out 8 weeks and then came back and played to make sure he got his year of service, but he wanted out.

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Its the same reason you can celebrate the accomplishments of Hull on the ice and ignore what a complete piece of shit he was off the ice. I understand something like this is far too deep for you to wrap your mind around.

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This is another thing you guys cant make up your mind on. Is Rodgers a choker or did he just not get enough help from Gute? If you say both I'm gonna point to being a choker as the reason another WR probably doesn't help. Another pick a lane thing.

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It's too deep for me thats for sure, I dont know what the fuck this has to do with his comment or this thread

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He is. Higgins would have foolproofed the roster. Aaron Jones was arguably the best RB in the NFL when they faced the Buccaneers. Adams was the best WR. Even Rodger wouldn't be able to blow that trio of talent.

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Burrow, the guy you think is better than Mahomes, hasnt gotten it done with Chase and Higgins so far. It's almost like winning a Super Bowl isnt guaranteed and is harder than fans think it is.

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No one on this board has said Burrow is better. Even with having one of the top 5 offensive coaches in the NFL to go along with GREAT offensive weapons, Mahomes has come up short. I won't hold it against Burrow for just making it to the Super Bowl and the Conference Championship with a crayon eating coach and no offensive line. Aaron Rodgers didn't have that excuse.

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So Lafleur is better than Taylor, not so sure about that. At least Taylor has been to the Super Bowl.

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What is the evidence that Zac Taylor is a bad coach?

Also, the Chiefs were in 13 personell on 3rd and long in the 4th quarter of a tied game because they had no WRs, and Pat had a high ankle sprain. Invalidates any OL excuses.

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I don't love LaFloor, but I would take him over Taylor. Taylor seems like a solid man, but a bad coach.

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It's just my personal opinion.

Burrow didn't have an offensive line last year and still beat that ass when Mahomes was a full strength and had Hill. He won 3 straight games against Mahomes with 4th quarter comebacks.

Mahomes still had 2 of his top 3 targets. Burrow still had 2 of his top 3 targets after Boyd was injured. The offensive line was a HUGE difference. Mahomes would have been dead behind a shit offensive line on Sunday.

Again, Karen didn't have this issue. He had an excellent offensive line, great running back, and the BEST receiver. Higgins would have Rodgers proofed the roster. They would have beaten Brady and probably an injured Mahomes.

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