Everyone knows a man who hit a woman. We call some of them, grandpa, father, uncle, brother, cousin, nephew, and even son. It's highly unlikely that any of the same people are going to publicly celebrate the death of those people because they hit a woman 50 years ago.

That leaves the alleged Hitler thoughts about the balcks. As far as I know, Hull wasn't going around beating or killing black people. That means he just had an ignorant thought. He wasn't the creator of the thought, and the opinion didn't die with him. What's the point of celebrating his death other than telling others that you are a better person than them?

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Couldn't the very same thing be applied to you with respect to your dislike of Martin Luther King however? Haven't you stated that the primary reason that you believed that MLK was a "POS" is because he allegedly assaulted women sexually? Just Asking A Question

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No, this has been going on since Hull and Mikita came back as ambassadors.

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I don't hate MLK. His hypocrisy, infidelity, or physical abuse of prostitutes isn't my issue with him. America thrusting him upon me as the #1 black idol is. MLK constructed a culture of dependence and groveling. At my core, I see those things as a weakness and not something I want to emulate or pass down to my kids.

That said, I appreciate his contributions to progress. I often quote him. However, there are others who speak to my soul that I believe are far more inspirational to oppressed people.

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There's some truth to what you say. Domestic violence used to be considered a "personal matter" and something police refused to get involved in. In 1956 the measure of a "good man" was that he provided for his family and didn't beat his wife and kids. It's a good thing we've progressed beyond that very low bar.

But it does strike me as odd that the same people who have no problem with men whipping the fuck out of women on the lacrosse field or in the Octagon and are constantly telling us that the differences between the sexes are a "social construct" are so apoplectic that a dead hockey player went at it with his wives and just happened to come out on top.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

But those are disagreements that you have with him politically, which is fair to have. And I disagree with you on it by the way.
My point is that you specifically stated that you had a problem with the deification of him because he allegedly sexually assaulted women.

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Dunno, they both look like the kind of groomers and pedophiles that have had a firm, secure place stretching down to the junior levels of the dead sport. And probably always will. Which pattern and practice cannot be ignored.

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So now Bobby Hull and Gordie Howe are pedophiles. Donald Trump is a hell of a drug.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

It was my rejection of America positioning him as a man of unquestionable character.

MLK is a racist's favorite black figure. That validates my views on the idolization of him.

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MLK is my favorite black figure.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But he is also the most beloved figure of blacks too. And the biggest issue that racists have with blacks is that they perceive them to be "dependent" upon Govt for everything. If Martin Luther King was teaching that then wouldn't they "hate" him as well? Just Asking A Question.

And during his lifetime, Martin Luther King was absolutely hated by the racist "class" in this country. He was assassinqted by racists after all. The ONLY reason that "WE" actually know about his adulterous ways is because a racist FBI director made everyone aware of it.

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Does anyone have unquestionable character?

I sort of understand what you mean in that I have heard plenty of racists quote King.

But to bring it back to Bobby Hull, I guess this is the thing that doesn't sit right with me. MLK's legacy isn't that he fucked a bunch of women. Bobby Hull's legacy isn't that he beat his wives or babbled nonsensically about Hitler to a Russian.

All heroes have feet of clay. So then it just becomes a matter of which heroes it is fashionable to attack in a given period in time and that's how you have statues of George Washington replaced by statues of George Floyd. It's obscene.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

Goofy non sequiturs for $100 Alex. (Well maybe not for your daily bizarre puppy dog claims)

The hockey pedophilia scandals were made decades before your life took a bizarre turn to excuse anything and everything remotely heroic in your 1950s tainted eyes. And the sane among us have viewed hockey skeptically since then. Maybe even the love of your recent political life agrees. But I doubt it. Maybe next time you too will strangely post beefcake photos of men to bolster your social and political rants and love for no apparent reason either.

Weird.

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I'm pretty sure the non sequitir was suggesting that two guys are pedophiles without a shred of evidence.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

If you're looking to validate any of your views based on the favorites of racists maybe you're going too offline to validate this thought to even yourself.

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There are very few people that claim that Hull's views on Hitler are his "legacy"? This just seems like more manufactured outrage.

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Reading is a skill you unsurprisingly have lost with your conversion. Saying what I think they look like isn't the same as making any of the extreme leaps a guy like you routinely make. I've never given that a thought about either until beefcake photos were posted for no reason.

Edit: dropped my phone.

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Oh. Okay. Got it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

A Brutus The Barber reference

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America's marketing plays a role in that. MANY of us were happy to have anyone who looks like us getting celebrated. We weren't going to pushback on the figure.

Mr. Guaranteed Wage, aka Mr. Non-Violent, being a tool of conservative racists, should tell you that a docile black man is the desired goal. The idea of the government providing a livable wage to minorities and poor people would be something all of them would reject. Laying down your rifles and being dependent on the benevolence of government police would also be something the same conservative racists would reject. Yet, you'll find them championing the character and teachings of MLK.

I don't disagree. MLK ultimately became a tool of government that was used to suppress a culture of independence. With the help of Democrats, bullshit convictions were used to separate a black man from his rifle and family. Then poor women were given government incentives to raise a family without a man being present. Thanks in part to MLK.

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No one does.

I don't disagree.

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Now hockey is a dead sport and everyone always knew it was for pedophiles?

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No, I've always quietly questioned the idolization of MLK, even before I learned he was beloved by racists. I still don't have the courage to state these things publicly, but I also won't pretend that I believe he was infallible.

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The latter explains the former. Q.E.D.

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It's just like baseball in the former and with the stories of the last thirty plus years, its distinctly had a problem with the latter.

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I didnt say that group of black teens was going to rob me, they just look like a group of black teens that would !!!! Ooooh boy . Fucking moron. that word bigot that you certainly like to throw around a lot? I guess there are no mirrors in your home, eh champ ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

No, but why are you posting beefcake photos of men? Especially in what is a remembrance thread about great hockey players? You're a strange, oddly angry guy.

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But that is just the point. I don't much care that a bigot on a message board (Say WFR for instance) "celebrates the life" of Martin Luther King posthumously. Why? because I know that this person and others who hold his views, would have hated in 1960. He was killed by a racist ostensibly because his views were considered too "radical". Nor will parrot I their thoughts about the need solely for blacks to "help themselves" and stop "depending on Govt" for help. Why? Because the very same racists who condemn blacks for "depending" on Govt are the very same people that can never not "depend" on Govt for help. The largest "industry" in D.C. (Lobbying) is comprised of people that literally "depend" on Govt for help. That is why it exists in the first place. If you look at the chief oppressors of blacks in this country historically, they all have "depended" on Govt in order to oppress blacks and other minorities. Every last one of them. It is because of this that I have always known that the whole "Government Dependence" yarn is something that they (racists) use to brainwash and dupe unsuspecting and rather ignorant black people (Mostly Conservative Black People) with. There are no bigger pawns of racists than black Conservatives themselves.

I'm not the ultimate MLK advocate, but at the end of the day he helped to get legislation passed that no other black "leader" was able to get passed. For that he paid for it with his life. And the person that killed him was a white racist that considered him to be "too radical" for his time. Its revisionist to claim that he is the "beloved" figure of white racists when he was killed and hated by white racists during his actual lifetime.

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He would have agreed with you about the bolded portion actually. During his sermons he would frequently allude to how he was a tremendously flawed person and also a person that need not be "deified". I always assumed that it was in reference to his adulterous nature.

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I've never said he wasn't hated and murdered by racists. I've argued that he became a tool that was used by the government and racists to suppress independent and more confrontational movements after his death. I really don't think that can be disputed.

"Be docile like MLK, and we'll throw you a few crumbs." "MLK didn't need guns; why do you? They'll only destroy your community. Look at all the gun violence. Hand us your guns, and the government will protect you." "If that man wasn't in your home, we could give you FREE housing and a few other perks."

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