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Bernstein & Larry really belittling Fields naysayers in a bizarre segment praising themselves for truthfulness. Larry praising Fields 17th QBR rank


You mean the same guys that told you Nagy was a genius, and that people were on, and I love it when Lil' Danny Bernstein uses this one, "on the wrong side of history", for ripping Nagy for not playing his starting offensive line in the preseason?


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Bernstein & Larry really belittling Fields naysayers in a bizarre segment praising themselves for truthfulness. Larry praising Fields 17th QBR rank


You mean the same guys that told you Nagy was a genius, and that people were on, and I love it when Lil' Danny Bernstein uses this one, "on the wrong side of history", for ripping Nagy for not playing his starting offensive line in the preseason?

That was ok because the offense came out like gangbusters beginning the season !!

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Falcons released Marcus Mariota whose past year passing stats were near identical to Justin Fields. Fields ran for about 40 yards more per game. One guy cut. The other superman.


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It's not necessarily an outlier. The board as a whole has this passing yard debate on and off throughout the years. Burrow "only" had 205 because Mixon ran for 153 that game, therefore reducing the need for Burrow to launch air raids since that yardage production went to Mixon. Passing yards are a function of game flows. If the opposing offense carries out time consuming drives to keep your offense off the field, like the Titans for example with Henry, that leaves your offense with less time to rack up yards. That's why even for elite QBs like Burrow his talent/capabilities are not captured in passing yards, whether they're high or low. It's more about ratios that assess progress down the field compared to however many opportunities he had to progress down the field. Passing yards don't give you that story. They also obscure the conditions in which that yardage was accumulated - garbage time vs more competitive game scenarios, etc. It's a secondary stat imo and not some insightful metric as Vito believes.



Good stuff. A balanced offense is a great thing in giving the coach options to attack his opponent with. I have to laugh at the people who criticized Fields in a game last year in which he ran for over 100 yards but only threw the ball maybe 25 times. Then we get lectured how
HE CAN'T THROW BLAH BLAH BLAH. My favorite "take" though was that Fields couldn't learn the play-book???

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Is Getsy trying to get fired ? This kind of racially charged criticism of his QB wont be allowed to go unpinished

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What? What is racially charged in what Getsy said? Now, I disagree with what Getsy said but I don't see racism anywhere in that statement?

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It's not necessarily an outlier. The board as a whole has this passing yard debate on and off throughout the years. Burrow "only" had 205 because Mixon ran for 153 that game, therefore reducing the need for Burrow to launch air raids since that yardage production went to Mixon. Passing yards are a function of game flows. If the opposing offense carries out time consuming drives to keep your offense off the field, like the Titans for example with Henry, that leaves your offense with less time to rack up yards. That's why even for elite QBs like Burrow his talent/capabilities are not captured in passing yards, whether they're high or low. It's more about ratios that assess progress down the field compared to however many opportunities he had to progress down the field. Passing yards don't give you that story. They also obscure the conditions in which that yardage was accumulated - garbage time vs more competitive game scenarios, etc. It's a secondary stat imo and not some insightful metric as Vito believes.



Good stuff. A balanced offense is a great thing in giving the coach options to attack his opponent with. I have to laugh at the people who criticized Fields in a game last year in which he ran for over 100 yards but only threw the ball maybe 25 times. Then we get lectured how
HE CAN'T THROW BLAH BLAH BLAH. My favorite "take" though was that Fields couldn't learn the play-book???

Pretty strange to want your quarterback to be able to throw.

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The strange thing is that he is the one who benefits the most from playing in the wind because of how often he runs the ball.


It gives him a great excuse for his accuracy.


I don't think that Fields complains a lot or makes excuses as you claim. I saw him being interviewed and they brought up the new stadium and he said that he hoped that it would have a roof. That was pretty much it. It was a short honest answer.

You are entitled to your opinion that Fields needs to be replaced. But your opinion about him being a whiner is really pretty weak.

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It's not necessarily an outlier. The board as a whole has this passing yard debate on and off throughout the years. Burrow "only" had 205 because Mixon ran for 153 that game, therefore reducing the need for Burrow to launch air raids since that yardage production went to Mixon. Passing yards are a function of game flows. If the opposing offense carries out time consuming drives to keep your offense off the field, like the Titans for example with Henry, that leaves your offense with less time to rack up yards. That's why even for elite QBs like Burrow his talent/capabilities are not captured in passing yards, whether they're high or low. It's more about ratios that assess progress down the field compared to however many opportunities he had to progress down the field. Passing yards don't give you that story. They also obscure the conditions in which that yardage was accumulated - garbage time vs more competitive game scenarios, etc. It's a secondary stat imo and not some insightful metric as Vito believes.



Good stuff. A balanced offense is a great thing in giving the coach options to attack his opponent with. I have to laugh at the people who criticized Fields in a game last year in which he ran for over 100 yards but only threw the ball maybe 25 times. Then we get lectured how
HE CAN'T THROW BLAH BLAH BLAH. My favorite "take" though was that Fields couldn't learn the play-book???


Pretty strange to want your quarterback to be able to throw.


Who says that Fields isn't able to throw? I'm talking about game management. Running the ball eats the clock. Incomplete passes stop the clock. I want a quarterback who can both run and pass. Fields is that guy.

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Who says that Fields isn't able to throw?
Anyone who has ever watched a Bears game.

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Who says that Fields isn't able to throw?
Anyone who has ever watched a Bears game.


Including his coaches and the GM.

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He can throw! He can’t pass though.


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Who says that Fields isn't able to throw?
Anyone who has ever watched a Bears game.

Yeah I mean just go look how he lit up the 2 worst pass defenses in the league last year when he played against them.

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The constant praise and assumption of Fields' future stardom from all six daytime hosts (plus the stand-ins like Herron) is really grating, considering Fields has accomplished virtually nothing other than having some great rushing performances. Mulligan went so far as to say the city would "not stand for" Poles trading him, as if he's beloved like Derrick Rose after the MVP season.

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The constant praise and assumption of Fields' future stardom from all six daytime hosts (plus the stand-ins like Herron) is really grating, considering Fields has accomplished virtually nothing other than having some great rushing performances. Mulligan went so far as to say the city would "not stand for" Poles trading him, as if he's beloved like Derrick Rose after the MVP season.

He’s cant miss and if he does its because the Bears “ broke” him and itll never be accepted that “ well maybe he wasnt that good to begin with “ . He’s in a no lose position with the fans and media.

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I really want Fields to succeed but if he ends up not being able to throw the ball the enrite city needs to flood 670 with calls and texts calling them out on this bullshit. They need to own all the bizarre stuff they've been saying about him. Of course if he's a star and 670 is right then I guess I'll just retire from having sports thoughts and move on to pottery or something.

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I really want Fields to succeed but if he ends up not being able to throw the ball the enrite city needs to flood 670 with calls and texts calling them out on this bullshit. They need to own all the bizarre stuff they've been saying about him. Of course if he's a star and 670 is right then I guess I'll just retire from having sports thoughts and move on to pottery or something.


It's ESPN 1000 too. At one point, I challenged Hood so much about Fields in person and via group text that they started the show literally complaining about my negativity.

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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.


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I don't know if his particular talents will ever translate into wins. It's like the stolen base. Exciting for the fans, but mostly a losing strategy.

What will be interesting (and frustrating) is if the Bears go 7-10 next year with Fields taking a small step forward. Then the hosts will demand the Bears pay him. Curious to see what Jalen Hurts will ask for and get. Lamar Jackson won an MVP and can't get paid, and Kyler Murray is a disaster.

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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.



Dude, they did exactly what you're saying this season. The only way it's sustainable is if he learns to make NFL throws and reads. That way teams are forced to respect both his arm and legs. Currently the way to beat him is to spy him and force him to pass. He can make defenses pay by getting rid of the ball quicker than he's ever done before.

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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.



Dude, they did exactly what you're saying this season. The only way it's sustainable is if he learns to make NFL throws and reads. That way teams are forced to respect both his arm and legs. Currently the way to beat him is to spy him and force him to pass. He can make defenses pay by getting rid of the ball quicker than he's ever done before.


The bigger problem here is it isn’t the head coach that will scheme him into the offense. If they do turn him into a dynamic offensive weapon with team success, it will be the OC who will immiediately become the next hot head coach candidate. Then fields gets a revolving door of OCs.


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I think OC consistency is important early on but at some point - if you're really good - your talents shine regardless of who's at OC. At 25, 26, 27, etc., you've got to be above being babysat by an OC, just make plays. If you're still reliant on an OC scheming things for you after your rookie contract then you're probably not worth the trouble anyway. Time to reset and get a new one. You want someone who's good regardless of the OC.

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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.



Dude, they did exactly what you're saying this season. The only way it's sustainable is if he learns to make NFL throws and reads. That way teams are forced to respect both his arm and legs. Currently the way to beat him is to spy him and force him to pass. He can make defenses pay by getting rid of the ball quicker than he's ever done before.

I don’t disagree that he needs to improve his passing, but what they did last year was flying by the seat of their pants. If they think he is the guy, they are going to have to invent some new schemes that suit him. Another year like last year of him running around like a maniac is not going to work.


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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.

He could pass in college. Either learn to pass in the NFL or switch to running back.

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So what I'm reading in this thread of brilliance is that Fields won't ever work out because of his lack of success throwing to an historically bad group of receivers that couldn't get open at Dr. Kenneth's back yard...

well that makes no sense whatsoever


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Give him a Serious #1 WR, Mooney and Kmet..and just some semblance of a professional line...then lets talk about how bad he is...

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F*cking Johnny Morris would've out-gained that group of receivers...Jeanny too


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So what I'm reading in this thread of brilliance is that Fields won't ever work out because of his lack of success throwing to an historically bad group of receivers that couldn't get open at Dr. Kenneth's back yard...

well that makes no sense whatsoever

I don’t think his problems were his ability to throw, or his receivers ability to get open, it was his inability to quickly read defenses, and anticipate where to throw it.


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So what I'm reading in this thread of brilliance is that Fields won't ever work out because of his lack of success throwing to an historically bad group of receivers that couldn't get open at Dr. Kenneth's back yard...

well that makes no sense whatsoever

I don’t think his problems were his ability to throw, or his receivers ability to get open, it was his inability to quickly read defenses, and anticipate where to throw it.


Yeah. The hope is he makes a huge jump in year three with his. If he does the Bears are in a good position. If he doesn't they will be looking for a QB in the draft next year.

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Who says that Fields isn't able to throw?
Anyone who has ever watched a Bears game.


Rubbish. So, the guy quarterbacking the Ohio State Buckeyes and had excellent statistics to show for it in throwing the ball was someone else? I saw this same qb make some very good throws along with some bad ones. For a team which had a terrible offensive line and weak receiving for the entire season.

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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.



Good stuff. Yeah and I hope that Getsy has the smarts and know how to do it.

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