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Fields has some exceptional talents and if they choose to keep him, that coaching staff should be hard at work developing a new offense that truly takes advantage of his talents. This guy is not conventional and the Bears need to invent some schemes that suit him, he isn’t going to be molded into something a lot of people wish he was. If they decide he is the guy, they need to come up with something outside the box to take advantage of it.

He could pass in college. Either learn to pass in the NFL or switch to running back.


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Who says that Fields isn't able to throw?
Anyone who has ever watched a Bears game.


Rubbish. So, the guy quarterbacking the Ohio State Buckeyes and had excellent statistics to show for it in throwing the ball was someone else? I saw this same qb make some very good throws along with some bad ones. For a team which had a terrible offensive line and weak receiving for the entire season.

Lots of great college quarterbacks can't figure out how to throw it well in the NFL.

If it wasn't for his running he would be on the way to being cut.

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He had all day to throw and wide open receivers at Ohio State. He didn’t need to process defenses as quickly.

At the most elite levels of sports, only a tiny percentage of skill separates the the great from the good or the mediocre. Just as Fields has that special something in running ability, to this point it is evident that he doesn’t have it with passing. And just as you can’t reasonably expect certain QBs to run like Fields, you can’t assume Fields will eventually pass like Mahomes or Burrow.

And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.

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He had all day to throw and wide open receivers at Ohio State. He didn’t need to process defenses as quickly.

At the most elite levels of sports, only a tiny percentage of skill separates the the great from the good or the mediocre. Just as Fields has that special something in running ability, to this point it is evident that he doesn’t have it with passing. And just as you can’t reasonably expect certain QBs to run like Fields, you can’t assume Fields will eventually pass like Mahomes or Burrow.

And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.


Fields will never pass like Mahones or Burrow and they will never run like Fields. The question is if you rather have a L.Jackson type QB or roll the dice in the draft and pick up a guy with the comp of Mahones but smaller. Personally, I would trade Fields and draft a QB. I do not like scrambling to be my QB's number 1 skill. Their careers are short and they have never won their team a Super Bowl.


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And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.




Cutler was 3 seasons in with a 4000 plus yard season under his belt before the Bears got ahold of him. Fields is still developing as a prospect and hasn’t had much around him to help with that development -not to mention he spent his 1st season with a head coach that had already proven he had no idea what he was doing. Cutler was a full 7 years into his career when people were still making those excuses, it’s not at all a good or fair comparison imo


Almost every star QB needs a supporting cast, Burrow most likely isn’t all that good without Higgins, Chase, and Mixon.. Hurts looked completely different once the Eagles got guys like AJ Brown. Allen took big steps after Diggs landed there..


You can hate it all you want, but most QB’s need a supporting cast and good coaching to maximize their potential. Hell, most players in the NFL need that. I will never understand people that dismiss this criticism as nothing more than an excuse.. especially when any sane person should be able to agree that the Bears have very little top tier talent on the offensive side of the ball. I mean, it’s not a lie to say the Bears don’t have much.

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And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.




Cutler was 3 seasons in with a 4000 plus yard season under his belt before the Bears got ahold of him. Fields is still developing as a prospect and hasn’t had much around him to help with that development -not to mention he spent his 1st season with a head coach that had already proven he had no idea what he was doing. Cutler was a full 7 years into his career when people were still making those excuses, it’s not at all a good or fair comparison imo


Almost every star QB needs a supporting cast, Burrow most likely isn’t all that good without Higgins, Chase, and Mixon.. Hurts looked completely different once the Eagles got guys like AJ Brown. Allen took big steps after Diggs landed there..


You can hate it all you want, but most QB’s need a supporting cast and good coaching to maximize their potential. Hell, most players in the NFL need that. I will never understand people that dismiss this criticism as nothing more than an excuse.. especially when any sane person should be able to agree that the Bears have very little top tier talent on the offensive side of the ball. I mean, it’s not a lie to say the Bears don’t have much.


Yup.

Aaron Rodgers was a different QB without Davante Adams

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28 - Fields in 27 games
95 - Cutler in 153 games
159 - if Fields plays 153 games

166 - Brett Favre in 302 games
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28 - Fields in 27 games
95 - Cutler in 153 games
159 - if Fields plays 153 games

166 - Brett Favre in 302 games
313 - if Fields plays 302 games





Josh Allen has 52 fumbles in roughly 70 starts.. what’s your point..?



And I doubt Fields continues to fumble at a 1 for 1 rate for his entire career.. especially if he becomes more of a passer than a runner (which he was in college)

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He had all day to throw and wide open receivers at Ohio State. He didn’t need to process defenses as quickly.

At the most elite levels of sports, only a tiny percentage of skill separates the the great from the good or the mediocre. Just as Fields has that special something in running ability, to this point it is evident that he doesn’t have it with passing. And just as you can’t reasonably expect certain QBs to run like Fields, you can’t assume Fields will eventually pass like Mahomes or Burrow.

And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.


Rubbish. No receivers worth a crap. A bunch of never were offensive linemen. Cutler was in no way similar to Fields and never had as bad an offensive line and receivers.

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He had all day to throw and wide open receivers at Ohio State. He didn’t need to process defenses as quickly.

At the most elite levels of sports, only a tiny percentage of skill separates the the great from the good or the mediocre. Just as Fields has that special something in running ability, to this point it is evident that he doesn’t have it with passing. And just as you can’t reasonably expect certain QBs to run like Fields, you can’t assume Fields will eventually pass like Mahomes or Burrow.

And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.


Fields will never pass like Mahones or Burrow and they will never run like Fields. The question is if you rather have a L.Jackson type QB or roll the dice in the draft and pick up a guy with the comp of Mahones but smaller. Personally, I would trade Fields and draft a QB. I do not like scrambling to be my QB's number 1 skill. Their careers are short and they have never won their team a Super Bowl.


The problem is that this year's QBs don't appear to wow anyone, unlike next year's class.

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Everyone hopes Fields improves his reading of defenses, passing, and cutting back on his 1 fumble a game average. He could stall in improvement or even get worse in all three. Fellow fumbler Daunte Culpepper maintained his 1 fumble a game average through his long career


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Be pretty funny if they actually did.

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And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.




Cutler was 3 seasons in with a 4000 plus yard season under his belt before the Bears got ahold of him. Fields is still developing as a prospect and hasn’t had much around him to help with that development -not to mention he spent his 1st season with a head coach that had already proven he had no idea what he was doing. Cutler was a full 7 years into his career when people were still making those excuses, it’s not at all a good or fair comparison imo


Almost every star QB needs a supporting cast, Burrow most likely isn’t all that good without Higgins, Chase, and Mixon.. Hurts looked completely different once the Eagles got guys like AJ Brown. Allen took big steps after Diggs landed there..


You can hate it all you want, but most QB’s need a supporting cast and good coaching to maximize their potential. Hell, most players in the NFL need that. I will never understand people that dismiss this criticism as nothing more than an excuse.. especially when any sane person should be able to agree that the Bears have very little top tier talent on the offensive side of the ball. I mean, it’s not a lie to say the Bears don’t have much.


Great Post! 8)

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Especially not being Poles pick his prospect status will wind down early in the coming season. Then he's on the hot seat and have to produce no matter the surrounding talent. This will be the last year he's handed the starting job on a silver platter solely on his unmet potential high ceiling. He'll be under even more intense pressure and scrutiny. If they load up the offensive line and wide receivers and he still stinks the year could get ugly for him. Hopefully he beats the odds and has a terrific passing year and is the QB of the Bears future and not another wasted #1 pick..


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He had all day to throw and wide open receivers at Ohio State. He didn’t need to process defenses as quickly.

At the most elite levels of sports, only a tiny percentage of skill separates the the great from the good or the mediocre. Just as Fields has that special something in running ability, to this point it is evident that he doesn’t have it with passing. And just as you can’t reasonably expect certain QBs to run like Fields, you can’t assume Fields will eventually pass like Mahomes or Burrow.

And the “supporting cast” argument is the same thing we went through with Cutler…until he was given a good supporting cast and still sucked.


Fields will never pass like Mahones or Burrow and they will never run like Fields. The question is if you rather have a L.Jackson type QB or roll the dice in the draft and pick up a guy with the comp of Mahones but smaller. Personally, I would trade Fields and draft a QB. I do not like scrambling to be my QB's number 1 skill. Their careers are short and they have never won their team a Super Bowl.


Where do you get your football information from? You make it appear that you think a dice roll can net you a Patrick Mahomes. I say that Mahomes greatness is mainly due to his mobility and ability to make tacklers miss more than anything else. And there is no one in college this year who is close to the ability of Mahomes.

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And there is no one in college this year who is close to the ability of Mahomes.




Caleb Williams.. but he’s not expected to enter the draft until next year.

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next year is really a bumper crop of QB talent if they all come out

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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.

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Fields had better WR this year than Lamar Jackson has had in his career. Lamar Jackson is the Ravens offense. For better or worse.

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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.


I think Justin Fields has a very high upside as a NFL passer, higher than what we have seen from Lamar Jackson.


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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.


I think Justin Fields has a very high upside as a NFL passer, higher than what we have seen from Lamar Jackson.

Fields Will new sniff the stats Jackson had in 2019.

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Fields had better WR this year than Lamar Jackson has had in his career. Lamar Jackson is the Ravens offense. For better or worse.


?? Fields was the only offense the bears had last year too. i never left a season thinking "well that was mostly on everyone else but the quarterback". he did have plenty of rookie moments but his highlights were the best in the league. we would have been 0-17 without him.

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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.


I think Justin Fields has a very high upside as a NFL passer, higher than what we have seen from Lamar Jackson.

Fields Will new sniff the stats Jackson had in 2019.


What did you sniff before typing that post. :D

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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.


I think Justin Fields has a very high upside as a NFL passer, higher than what we have seen from Lamar Jackson.

Fields Will new sniff the stats Jackson had in 2019.


What did you sniff before typing that post. :D

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plenty of people have mentioned it but Fields on his best day will be Lamar Jackson. And I don't think Lamar's going to ever take the Ravens to a super bowl winner. Might have to think about starting over at QB.


I think Justin Fields has a very high upside as a NFL passer, higher than what we have seen from Lamar Jackson.

Fields Will new sniff the stats Jackson had in 2019.


Neither will lamar

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we would have been 0-17 without him.


That’s quite the endorsement… he won three games! And let’s look at Fields in those three wins:

8/17 for 121 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 85.7
8/17 for 106 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 27.7
13/21 for 179 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 85.2

And Mooney was playing in those first two wins.

I think Poles is going to shock everyone (especially at WSCR) and draft a QB.

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we would have been 0-17 without him.


That’s quite the endorsement… he won three games! And let’s look at Fields in those three wins:

8/17 for 121 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 85.7
8/17 for 106 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 27.7
13/21 for 179 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 85.2

And Mooney was playing in those first two wins.

I think Poles is going to shock everyone (especially at WSCR) and draft a QB.


I don't think there was a trade market for him.

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we would have been 0-17 without him.


That’s quite the endorsement… he won three games! And let’s look at Fields in those three wins:

8/17 for 121 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 85.7
8/17 for 106 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 27.7
13/21 for 179 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 85.2

And Mooney was playing in those first two wins.

I think Poles is going to shock everyone (especially at WSCR) and draft a QB.


Stats don't say shit compared to what your eyes see. Fields is great. But I would still draft a QB because why the hell not.

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