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The Van Ness kid is interesting, young guy with a seemingly high ceiling, a bit undersized right now to play the 3 tech, but could be an absolute monster inside with a year or two of NFL level "saying your prayers and taking your vitamins".

Murphy looks NFL ready, a bit bigger, very solid against the run, does he fall to #9?

Experts all say the same thing about Skoronski, day one starter in the NFL, but likely at OG, do you pick a guard at nine when you have some solid defensive prospects still there?

Really like Campbell at LB in 2nd if he is still there, bigger and more athletic than Sanborn, size and athleticism is somewhat comparable to Urlacher, you pair him with an effective three tech and you have two key components of the vaunted Lovie cover-2 in place.

When is Lovie's statute going up? One of the best coaches in Bears history and provided the franchise with an opportunity to totally rebuild it's roster, he was the Bears MVP last year.


I like Campbell at LB also. He has a great motor and size to go along with it.

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The Van Ness kid is interesting, young guy with a seemingly high ceiling, a bit undersized right now to play the 3 tech, but could be an absolute monster inside with a year or two of NFL level "saying your prayers and taking your vitamins".

Murphy looks NFL ready, a bit bigger, very solid against the run, does he fall to #9?

Experts all say the same thing about Skoronski, day one starter in the NFL, but likely at OG, do you pick a guard at nine when you have some solid defensive prospects still there?

Really like Campbell at LB in 2nd if he is still there, bigger and more athletic than Sanborn, size and athleticism is somewhat comparable to Urlacher, you pair him with an effective three tech and you have two key components of the vaunted Lovie cover-2 in place.

When is Lovie's statute going up? One of the best coaches in Bears history and provided the franchise with an opportunity to totally rebuild it's roster, he was the Bears MVP last year.





Van Ness reminds me more of the Bosa’s.. but he’s raw.. he’s got a good bull rush and is better off the edge with some space or coming in at angles to attack the tackles. I don’t like him at DT tho, more of an edge, I think he needs space to work or distance to get a couple of steps to add extra punch to his rush. He needs to develop more pass rush moves as the bull seems to be his go to in the highlights I’ve seen. I do like him tho.


That said, I’d prefer Wilson or Van Ness to Murphy at 9 if they’re all there. Skoronski seems high at 9 if he’s a guard.. you can get good guards later in the draft or in FA.


DeMarvion Overshown is an LB I like quite a bit that the Bears could maybe nab in the 3rd. Similar size to Urlacher and similar pedigree (former safety).. he might be a liability against the run early in his career tho (like Brian could be).. but he’s great on blitz packages and in coverage.




^Id also add that it’d be interesting to see how far Carter falls.. should they take him at 9 if he’s there..?

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Do people still like Skoronski or are the short arms a deterrent?


If Murphy and Wilson are off the board, why not? Play him at guard and cut Whitehair. We'll have a great offensive line for Fields or his replacement.


They absolutely need to shit can Mustipher and bring in a very good center. Mustipher cannot block worth a crap.

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The Van Ness kid is interesting, young guy with a seemingly high ceiling, a bit undersized right now to play the 3 tech, but could be an absolute monster inside with a year or two of NFL level "saying your prayers and taking your vitamins".

Murphy looks NFL ready, a bit bigger, very solid against the run, does he fall to #9?

Experts all say the same thing about Skoronski, day one starter in the NFL, but likely at OG, do you pick a guard at nine when you have some solid defensive prospects still there?

Really like Campbell at LB in 2nd if he is still there, bigger and more athletic than Sanborn, size and athleticism is somewhat comparable to Urlacher, you pair him with an effective three tech and you have two key components of the vaunted Lovie cover-2 in place.

When is Lovie's statute going up? One of the best coaches in Bears history and provided the franchise with an opportunity to totally rebuild it's roster, he was the Bears MVP last year.





Van Ness reminds me more of the Bosa’s.. but he’s raw.. he’s got a good bull rush and is better off the edge with some space or coming in at angles to attack the tackles. I don’t like him at DT tho, more of an edge, I think he needs space to work or distance to get a couple of steps to add extra punch to his rush. He needs to develop more pass rush moves as the bull seems to be his go to in the highlights I’ve seen. I do like him tho.


That said, I’d prefer Wilson or Van Ness to Murphy at 9 if they’re all there. Skoronski seems high at 9 if he’s a guard.. you can get good guards later in the draft or in FA.


DeMarvion Overshown is an LB I like quite a bit that the Bears could maybe nab in the 3rd. Similar size to Urlacher and similar pedigree (former safety).. he might be a liability against the run early in his career tho (like Brian could be).. but he’s great on blitz packages and in coverage.




^Id also add that it’d be interesting to see how far Carter falls.. should they take him at 9 if he’s there..?


Absolutely they should.

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The Van Ness kid is interesting, young guy with a seemingly high ceiling, a bit undersized right now to play the 3 tech, but could be an absolute monster inside with a year or two of NFL level "saying your prayers and taking your vitamins".

Murphy looks NFL ready, a bit bigger, very solid against the run, does he fall to #9?

Experts all say the same thing about Skoronski, day one starter in the NFL, but likely at OG, do you pick a guard at nine when you have some solid defensive prospects still there?

Really like Campbell at LB in 2nd if he is still there, bigger and more athletic than Sanborn, size and athleticism is somewhat comparable to Urlacher, you pair him with an effective three tech and you have two key components of the vaunted Lovie cover-2 in place.

When is Lovie's statute going up? One of the best coaches in Bears history and provided the franchise with an opportunity to totally rebuild it's roster, he was the Bears MVP last year.





Van Ness reminds me more of the Bosa’s.. but he’s raw.. he’s got a good bull rush and is better off the edge with some space or coming in at angles to attack the tackles. I don’t like him at DT tho, more of an edge, I think he needs space to work or distance to get a couple of steps to add extra punch to his rush. He needs to develop more pass rush moves as the bull seems to be his go to in the highlights I’ve seen. I do like him tho.


That said, I’d prefer Wilson or Van Ness to Murphy at 9 if they’re all there. Skoronski seems high at 9 if he’s a guard.. you can get good guards later in the draft or in FA.


DeMarvion Overshown is an LB I like quite a bit that the Bears could maybe nab in the 3rd. Similar size to Urlacher and similar pedigree (former safety).. he might be a liability against the run early in his career tho (like Brian could be).. but he’s great on blitz packages and in coverage.




^Id also add that it’d be interesting to see how far Carter falls.. should they take him at 9 if he’s there..?


Absolutely they should.


If Carter is there, you take him. If he's not, I'd love to see them trade down and either add a 2nd Rounder this year or if possible, a 1st next year -- then take Bijan Robinson.
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If Carter is there, you take him. If he's not, I'd love to see them trade down and either add a 2nd Rounder this year or if possible, a 1st next year -- then take Bijan Robinson.




For fun on the page before this one I suggested the Bears grab Bijan at 9.. should we get this hype train rolling early R-Dub lol..?


He’s basically Saquan without the top end

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Poles essentially made the trade that everyone wanted him to make with the Panthers. Except he swapped Moore for Burns and got an extra 2nd round pick. Also, he would have had to give Burns a massive extension or franchise him in 2024.

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Id also add that it’d be interesting to see how far Carter falls.. should they take him at 9 if he’s there..?


Absolutely they should.

He would fit right in with the tradition of Bears defensive players who run the fuck away after being involved in traffic accidents that’s for sure.

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If Carter is there, you take him. If he's not, I'd love to see them trade down and either add a 2nd Rounder this year or if possible, a 1st next year -- then take Bijan Robinson.





For fun on the page before this one I suggested the Bears grab Bijan at 9.. should we get this hype train rolling early R-Dub lol..?


He’s basically Saquan without the top end


runs harder than Barkley.. no way they should get a RB in round 1..ever.

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The Bears need to be aggressive in free agency. It'll put them in a position where they don't need to draft for need.

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If Carter is there, you take him. If he's not, I'd love to see them trade down and either add a 2nd Rounder this year or if possible, a 1st next year -- then take Bijan Robinson.




For fun on the page before this one I suggested the Bears grab Bijan at 9.. should we get this hype train rolling early R-Dub lol..?


He’s basically Saquan without the top end


:lol: I'm down. Like Nas said a post or two ago, doing well in free agency would help stomach a move like drafting Robinson. People say he's the best talent in the entire draft. They compare him to Saquon and CMC. I'd rather have the best player in the draft and/or the best player at his position. I'm not interested in taking the 4th or 5th ranked defensive lineman that may or may not pan out.
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Will be numerous centers, LB's, and d lineman that could start day one still on the board in the second and early third round, maybe package and extra fourth and fifth and move up, pick up a late third?

Will Poles go with Skoroniski, who starts at guard for you for the next 5 years, see him with high grades across the board, but some tempting d line prospects will be there at nine.
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The Van Ness kid is interesting, young guy with a seemingly high ceiling, a bit undersized right now to play the 3 tech, but could be an absolute monster inside with a year or two of NFL level "saying your prayers and taking your vitamins".

Murphy looks NFL ready, a bit bigger, very solid against the run, does he fall to #9?

Experts all say the same thing about Skoronski, day one starter in the NFL, but likely at OG, do you pick a guard at nine when you have some solid defensive prospects still there?

Really like Campbell at LB in 2nd if he is still there, bigger and more athletic than Sanborn, size and athleticism is somewhat comparable to Urlacher, you pair him with an effective three tech and you have two key components of the vaunted Lovie cover-2 in place.

When is Lovie's statute going up? One of the best coaches in Bears history and provided the franchise with an opportunity to totally rebuild it's roster, he was the Bears MVP last year.





Van Ness reminds me more of the Bosa’s.. but he’s raw.. he’s got a good bull rush and is better off the edge with some space or coming in at angles to attack the tackles. I don’t like him at DT tho, more of an edge, I think he needs space to work or distance to get a couple of steps to add extra punch to his rush. He needs to develop more pass rush moves as the bull seems to be his go to in the highlights I’ve seen. I do like him tho.


That said, I’d prefer Wilson or Van Ness to Murphy at 9 if they’re all there. Skoronski seems high at 9 if he’s a guard.. you can get good guards later in the draft or in FA.


DeMarvion Overshown is an LB I like quite a bit that the Bears could maybe nab in the 3rd. Similar size to Urlacher and similar pedigree (former safety).. he might be a liability against the run early in his career tho (like Brian could be).. but he’s great on blitz packages and in coverage.




^Id also add that it’d be interesting to see how far Carter falls.. should they take him at 9 if he’s there..?


Van Ness scares me. He has a lot to natural ability, but the kid has only been playing football for 7 years, and he's never started a game in college. I'm not sure I would want to use a first round pick for a player like that.

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Today is the day we should start hearing "Breaking News" which gets us excited. #BearsMonday


Have to give the NFL credit, they have managed to make their offseason almost as interesting as the regular season, in fact the start of FA and draft day are more important to the Bears than the entire second half of last season.

How many millions of clicks and ratings will the league generate from Bears fans alone from now until draft day?
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Poles essentially made the trade that everyone wanted him to make with the Panthers. Except he swapped Moore for Burns and got an extra 2nd round pick. Also, he would have had to give Burns a massive extension or franchise him in 2024.


I think the talk about Burns was pure fantasy made by the innumerable podcasters, writers and writer/podcasters that have populated this land.

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I'd be shocked if they don't have an agreement in principal with someone by noon.

The entire reason for the premature Panther trade was clarity for FA.

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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.

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I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.
It would also keep the dream alive of them trading down so many times they have every single pick in the 6th round of the 2025 draft.

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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.


This logic makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't you want the Bears to take the best CB in the draft if he instantly becomes the best CB on the team?
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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.

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Gotta think they will at least address DT and DE via FA. They may go with second or even third tier guys, but given the numerous needs you still have you need at least replacement level guys at numerous spots in your front seven.

Still have tons of cap room which opens up the possibility to pick up a contract from a team that is up against the cap, could see one of the extra late round picks being flipped for a vet, especially with Jalen Ramsey only costing a third, should be scouring the Bills, Vikes, Ravens, Rams, and Bucs rosters for potential upgrades.

Payne is the only guy I would have broken the bank for in FA, you have room to sign one of the top guys, Brown is gonna cost you $20 million, and the RT's will be $17 million plus, the top DT will be similar, can see him going with second tier guys and filling numerous needs.
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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.


I have no doubt about the following:

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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.


I have no doubt about the following:

4 QB
1 CB
Will Anderson


I still want Myles Murphy or Tyree Wilson there. I think your guy Peter Skoronski is going to Atlanta.

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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.


I have no doubt about the following:

4 QB
1 CB
Will Anderson


I still want Myles Murphy or Tyree Wilson there. I think your guy Peter Skoronski is going to Atlanta.


it wouldn't shock me if they took local kid Jones, the OT from Georgia.

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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.


I have no doubt about the following:

4 QB
1 CB
Will Anderson


I still want Myles Murphy or Tyree Wilson there. I think your guy Peter Skoronski is going to Atlanta.


Tyree is my realistic best case scenario but every mock I see has him going earlier, sometimes before Anderson

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I think we are looking at a D+ in free agency so far. Getting TJ Edwards pretty cheap only saves it from being an F. Lots of Olineman off the board and the only bad contract was McGlinchy. The Ben Powers deal was a steal. Assuming now the Bears are forced to draft oline at #9, it looks like another season of the defensive line getting their asses blown 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage every play.
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#9 is kind of betwixt and between in this draft. The top talent at that spot is probably going to be a corner. Poles cannot spend another top pick on corner, even though the probably need another and the two guys will be better than anything they have.

I'd love to see that last qb of the four fall to them and get out of 9 for a in a swap of 1s and another top 50 pick.


Will Anderson and 3 position players will go before the Bears pick. Jalen Carter may be one of those guys. It's a great spot to be in.


I have no doubt about the following:

4 QB
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Will Anderson


The Lions may be out of the corner market.

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