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Rodgers had favorable rules and slightly underperformed Favre when they were contemporaries.

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Favre won a Super Bowl, then went 13-3 and got back to the Super Bowl.

After Rodgers incredibly lucky win in the NFC Title game, he managed to get his lone ring. Then he went 15-1 and laid an egg at home to Eli in the playoffs. Also put up a whopping 10 points and failed to beat Jimmy G at home as the #1 seed with an incredibly easy path to the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

As far as the botched onside kick game NFC title game, Rodgers had 2 INTs and like a 60 something rating in that game @Seattle. He may not have thrown 6 INTs in a January game, but he had plenty of other lackluster playoff performances.

Favre getting back to the big dance as a Packer will always make him better than Rodgers.

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Favre won a Super Bowl, then went 13-3 and got back to the Super Bowl.

After Rodgers incredibly lucky win in the NFC Title game, he managed to get his lone ring. Then he went 15-1 and laid an egg at home to Eli in the playoffs. Also put up a whopping 10 points and failed to beat Jimmy G at home as the #1 seed with an incredibly easy path to the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

As far as the botched onside kick game NFC title game, Rodgers had 2 INTs and like a 60 something rating in that game @Seattle. He may not have thrown 6 INTs in a January game, but he had plenty of other lackluster playoff performances.

Favre getting back to the big dance as a Packer will always make him better than Rodgers.

I don't agree with all of this but your larger point I do.

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Rodgers also played on teams with far better talent.

I don't think that's true. Rodgers only had a good defense one time and he won the SB with it. He's had some really good regular season teams but Rodgers was the reason why.

You are free to think Favre was better. For me it's an easy answer.

For about 10 years you were building up the Packers defense as full of elite talent. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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and let's not forget Rogers' favorable relationship with the refs

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Rodgers only had a good defense one time and he won the SB with it.
And needed a 3rd string QB to throw two 4th quarter interceptions in the NFC Title game to get to Dallas.

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Favre... Rodgers... both underachieved. Who cares which one underachieved less?

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Favre... Rodgers... both underachieved. Who cares which one underachieved less?


That is why Brady is the GOAT. These guys had substantially more physical talents, but Brady was great and a consistent winner.

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Favre... Rodgers... both underachieved. Who cares which one underachieved less?


Farve was so much better. Played when the game was still pretty brutal. Rodgers played when it's a shade away from flag football.

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Favre won a Super Bowl, then went 13-3 and got back to the Super Bowl.

After Rodgers incredibly lucky win in the NFC Title game, he managed to get his lone ring. Then he went 15-1 and laid an egg at home to Eli in the playoffs. Also put up a whopping 10 points and failed to beat Jimmy G at home as the #1 seed with an incredibly easy path to the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

As far as the botched onside kick game NFC title game, Rodgers had 2 INTs and like a 60 something rating in that game @Seattle. He may not have thrown 6 INTs in a January game, but he had plenty of other lackluster playoff performances.

Favre getting back to the big dance as a Packer will always make him better than Rodgers.


Farve was also so fucking close to his 2nd title when he was 75 years old with the viqueens.

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So Gute says after Rodgers left Green Bay, they reached out to him and thru his representatives but no response. Interesting

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So Gute says after Rodgers left Green Bay, they reached out to him and thru his representatives but no response. Interesting


He's a more talented loser version of Scottie Pippen. Someone should have hugged them when they were 5.

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Also put up a whopping 10 points and failed to beat Jimmy G at home as the #1 seed with an incredibly easy path to the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.


Rodgers probably thinks about the 2021-2022 post-season the most when tripping balls on ayahuasca in his anxiety closet dark room. Get passed the Niners and he'd have had career-loser @Lambeau Stafford and then a 2nd yr QB who lucked into an early-career SB appearance...cake-walk.


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Brian Gutekunst says they won't get a first round pick for Rodgers. Vegan has been right about Gute from the beginning. They could have gotten a Russell Wilson package for him last season.

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I call Rodgers bluff if I'm the Packers. Keep him on the roster if they can't get a first round pick for him. Make him retire if he doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

Couldn't happen to a better team :D

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If you have to pay him, he's still the best QB on the roster

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I call Rodgers bluff if I'm the Packers. Keep him on the roster if they can't get a first round pick for him. Make him retire if he doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

Couldn't happen to a better team :D

Agreed, Frank.
This will be a fun game of chicken. The Packers have ZERO leverage right now.

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I call Rodgers bluff if I'm the Packers. Keep him on the roster if they can't get a first round pick for him. Make him retire if he doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

Couldn't happen to a better team :D

Agreed, Frank.
This will be a fun game of chicken. The Packers have ZERO leverage right now.

How do they have zero leverage? He's under contract and they have their (presumed) starter under contract. Their salary cap is pretty much the same either way. Worst case is he retires and loses a shitload of money and the Packers don't get any draft picks (not likely). Sure it could be a PR nightmare but still fun.

On the other hand, the Jets have essentially announced to their fans and media that AR will be their QB. If that doesn't become reality then they enter their Super Bowl window with Zach Wilson as the starting QB?? Talk about a PR nightmare. Good luck with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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I call Rodgers bluff if I'm the Packers. Keep him on the roster if they can't get a first round pick for him. Make him retire if he doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

Couldn't happen to a better team :D

Agreed, Frank.
This will be a fun game of chicken. The Packers have ZERO leverage right now.

How do they have zero leverage? He's under contract and they have their (presumed) starter under contract. Their salary cap is pretty much the same either way. Worst case is he retires and loses a shitload of money and the Packers don't get any draft picks (not likely). Sure it could be a PR nightmare but still fun.

On the other hand, the Jets have essentially announced to their fans and media that AR will be their QB. If that doesn't become reality then they enter their Super Bowl window with Zach Wilson as the starting QB?? Talk about a PR nightmare. Good luck with that.


Or Rodgers could just report to work. What then?

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The Packers have no leverage. PR concerns for the Jets? That's hilarious.

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Rodgers learning what most people do when they're 20. Shut your fuckin mouth. Weird this guy has spent his whole career knowing that and suddenly walks himself into a dark alley. But kinda obvious he's cashing out what he can while he can, and I don't blame him for that. Just weird he doesn't get what he used to know.

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Brian Gutekunst says they won't get a first round pick for Rodgers. Vegan has been right about Gute from the beginning. They could have gotten a Russell Wilson package for him last season.


It's honestly a tragedy. It's like Gute has idolized Jerry Krause his whole life and prayed for a chance to antagonize a HOF player of his own. Here's what's happened on this dumbass GM's watch. It's a grad-level course on how to make the least optimal decisions when given an opportunity to maximize your chances at winning:

- Prematurely closed the Packers' last window of opportunity to win it all by prioritizing his desire to get rid of Rodgers over actually riding MVP Rodgers - at that point the best QB in the league (2019-2021) - to the promised land. Has a chance to team Devonte Adams up with Tee Higgins coming off a NFC title game but instead spends two picks on Jordan Love.

- Doubles down on dumb after Rodgers proves he's still a top 1% QB by extending him even after expending precious capital on Rodgers' replacement. This effectively means Gute invested two picks and a boatload of cash on two players when only one could add value to the team by actually playing in games. This goes against the grain of teams capitalizing on cheap QBs by enriching the roster elsewhere. Gute's strategy instead was to dump draft and financial capital into the QB room while going cheap elsewhere, like at WR. Very smart.

- As the roster's decline becomes more apparent due to Gute's odd decisions, he then fails to commit to Love by converting Rodgers into the assets the roster so desperately needs, as Nas notes. This has a multiplier effect because it means not only do the Packers fail to convert Rodgers into anything of value, they also lose yet another year of a cheap Love contract which - if the Pack were managed better - would have allowed them to invest money elsewhere on the team to capitalize on the cost control they enjoy over the QB contract. All in all, the return on the massive investment in Love (two picks plus the opportunity cost of a Higgins/Adams/Jones/Rodgers Super Bowl in 2021-22) continues to be zero.

- In 2022, the year it finally all came crumbling down, Gute finally concedes his failures by shopping a draft pick or two for Claypool and other WRs. But if you believe you can make a run with Rodgers if you only add a WR, why not shop Love - your only tradeable asset who's also losing value the closer he approaches the end of his rookie deal - and keep the pick? In the end he continues to bizarrely employ two QBs in a game where you can only start one and just exposes himself as a dumbass who never knew what he wanted to do in the first place.

Dude's a total clown

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I call Rodgers bluff if I'm the Packers. Keep him on the roster if they can't get a first round pick for him. Make him retire if he doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

Couldn't happen to a better team :D

Agreed, Frank.
This will be a fun game of chicken. The Packers have ZERO leverage right now.

How do they have zero leverage? He's under contract and they have their (presumed) starter under contract. Their salary cap is pretty much the same either way. Worst case is he retires and loses a shitload of money and the Packers don't get any draft picks (not likely). Sure it could be a PR nightmare but still fun.

On the other hand, the Jets have essentially announced to their fans and media that AR will be their QB. If that doesn't become reality then they enter their Super Bowl window with Zach Wilson as the starting QB?? Talk about a PR nightmare. Good luck with that.

The Jets could walk away and just say the Packers weren't willing to trade. They can't force the Packers to do it.

Of course the fans would be disappointed but what can the Jets do if the Packers are overvaluing what they should get.

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The Packers have no leverage. The Jets can offer something in a trade and say take it or leave it. There may be a handful of other teams willing to trade for Rodgers, but the Jets offer is likely going to be the best they can get.

So Packers can take the Jets offer, or force Rodgers's hand. Both sides are stupid and neither one has much leverage. You hate to see it :D

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I hope the Jets owner keeps talking.

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Sooner or later the Jets are going to wonder why no other team in the NFL has interest in this goofball.

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Sooner or later the Jets are going to wonder why no other team in the NFL has interest in this goofball.

It's in black and white. A 40 yr old 14th ranked QB. Can the Jets read?

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Sooner or later the Jets are going to wonder why no other team in the NFL has interest in this goofball.

I do believe they shouldn't have just pigeoned holed him to the AFC only.

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