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This is pretty simple really.



Do you see Mark Murphy publicly saying the Packers are anxious? No you do not. The Jets owner is publicly saying the Jets are in a hurry to get the deal done. GB is not.

There's nothing left to debate here.

You don't think GB has any urgency in knowing if they will have $60 million of cap space tied up in one player or if they can use that elsewhere? One would think they'd want to know that sooner than later.

There is nothing they can use elsewhere, they know the cap ramifications. They will either take a $41 million cap hit this year, which $32 milllion is already on the cap so it would add $9 million more which leaves them roughly $12 Million below the cap. Or take a $26 million hit this year and $15 next year.

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This is pretty simple really.



Do you see Mark Murphy publicly saying the Packers are anxious? No you do not. The Jets owner is publicly saying the Jets are in a hurry to get the deal done. GB is not.

There's nothing left to debate here.

You don't think GB has any urgency in knowing if they will have $60 million of cap space tied up in one player or if they can use that elsewhere? One would think they'd want to know that sooner than later.


You forget that they're run by a dumbass in Gute. He's not as savvy as you presume him to be. The last four years attest to that.

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Franky T wrote:
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This is pretty simple really.



Do you see Mark Murphy publicly saying the Packers are anxious? No you do not. The Jets owner is publicly saying the Jets are in a hurry to get the deal done. GB is not.

There's nothing left to debate here.

You don't think GB has any urgency in knowing if they will have $60 million of cap space tied up in one player or if they can use that elsewhere? One would think they'd want to know that sooner than later.

I don't think GB has a lot of urgency. They haven't expressed any. The Jets have.

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Because GB has no leverage and no reason to be urgent. They can let this play out until September 7th if they want.


Meanwhile the Jets, who evidently have such a sense of urgency and are in this great big hurry, have not made the trade yet. Talk about illogical jibberish....

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Because GB has no leverage and no reason to be urgent. They can let this play out until September 7th if they want.


Meanwhile the Jets, who evidently have such a sense of urgency and are in this great big hurry, have not made the trade yet. Talk about illogical jibberish....

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The deal will get done in my opinion, but the pressure is clearly on the Jets if they really want him. If I'm the Packers I'm sitting back waiting for the Jets. One thing is for sure - he Jets management talks too much. They need to shut up and try to get a deal done or just move in another direction before the draft.


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The deal will get done in my opinion, but the pressure is clearly on the Jets if they really want him. If I'm the Packers I'm sitting back waiting for the Jets. One thing is for sure - he Jets management talks too much. They need to shut up and try to get a deal done or just move in another direction before the draft.

My guess is Joe Douglas isn't too happy with Woody

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The deal will get done in my opinion, but the pressure is clearly on the Jets if they really want him. If I'm the Packers I'm sitting back waiting for the Jets. One thing is for sure - he Jets management talks too much. They need to shut up and try to get a deal done or just move in another direction before the draft.


Okay, and how would you describe the Packers' predicament if the Jets move on as you suggest?

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I'd say the Packers have a HOF QB under contract, and the Jets have Zack Wilson and an angry fan base they have gotten all fired up without having a deal done. Personally id go all in on Lamar if I were the Jets.


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I'd say the Packers have a HOF QB under contract, and the Jets have Zack Wilson and an angry fan base they have gotten all fired up without having a deal done. Personally id go all in on Lamar if I were the Jets.

Frankly I've never understood why they didn't in the first place. A young crazy exciting team, they'd own New York for 6-8 years and Woody could be the man.

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I'd say the Packers have a HOF QB under contract, and the Jets have Zack Wilson and an angry fan base they have gotten all fired up without having a deal done. Personally id go all in on Lamar if I were the Jets.

Frankly I've never understood why they didn't in the first place. A young crazy exciting team, they'd own New York for 6-8 years and Woody could be the man.

completely agree. I've never understood why a young team like the jets would want a once great but clearly declining diva like Rodgers coming in and fucking up the young exciting vibe that team could have with Lamar. And im not a huge fan of the running QB philosophy but in this case, with that team, it seems like a fit, more so than decrepit old Rodgers.


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the jets defense is worthy of an explosive offense. lamar could definitely help with that more than rodgers at this point.


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Maybe the recent Lamar trade demand is the reason the Packers-Jets deal is stalled?

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Maybe they think Lamar is a bitch and his best season is behind him, the Jets have good WRs, they need a QB that throw accurately from the pocket..he ain't it.

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I'd say the Packers have a HOF QB under contract, and the Jets have Zack Wilson and an angry fan base they have gotten all fired up without having a deal done. Personally id go all in on Lamar if I were the Jets.


You're disregarding Jordan Love, who's sat for three years because Gute incompetently drafted him when 1) there was no need and 2) there was no plan for rolling him out. I mean, why would there be a plan anyway when your starter is MVP and just took you to the championship game. Anyway, I digress.

So Love wants to start after three years of clipboard management or he wants out. Per your plan you bring back Rodgers and now you've got two QBs who don't want to be there. Did Gute steal your log in? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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I'd say the Packers have a HOF QB under contract, and the Jets have Zack Wilson and an angry fan base they have gotten all fired up without having a deal done. Personally id go all in on Lamar if I were the Jets.


You're disregarding Jordan Love, who's sat for three years because Gute incompetently drafted him when 1) there was no need and 2) there was no plan for rolling him out. I mean, why would there be a plan anyway when your starter is MVP and just took you to the championship game. Anyway, I digress.

So Love wants to start after three years of clipboard management or he wants out. Per your plan you bring back Rodgers and now you've got two QBs who don't want to be there. Did Gute steal your log in? :lol:

Did you say this when they drafted Rodgers?

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Yeah the Packers have followed the exact same strategy as the Favre/Rodgers transition. Unlikely that Love is HoF quality, but it worked out well last time.

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It is NOT an apples to apples thing, folks.

State of the Pack Prior to Rodgers:


2003: lose in the divisional round
2004: lose in the wildcard round and draft Rodgers

Bottom Line: Stagnant team with the arrow pointing sideways.

State of the Pack Prior to Love


2019: lose in title game and draft Love
2020: lose in title game

Bottom line: trending up, need a few pieces to get over the hump

It makes sense to draft QB in the first round in the 2000s based on the above. It does not make sense to spend two picks on QB in 2020 based on the above.

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All of that is well and good, but the team who has been publicly courting Aaron Rodgers amd planning the upcoming season under the false assumption that the packers were going to give Rodgers away to them simply because Rodgers wanted to go there, and don’t appear to have any plan B at QB are under more pressure than the team with two qbs. That doesn’t make what the packers are doing with their team brilliant or smart, it just means the jets have painted themselves into a corner. The team without the QB is the one going “oh shit”, not the packers. Eventually a deal will be made anyway, and none of this will matter.


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The decision of whether or not to trade Aaron Rodgers is a difficult one for the Green Bay Packers. On the one hand, Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and has led the Packers to a Super Bowl victory. On the other hand, Rodgers has expressed his desire to leave the team, and the Packers may be able to get a significant haul of draft picks in return for him.

There are pros and cons to both keeping Rodgers and trading him. If the Packers keep Rodgers, they will have a top-tier quarterback who gives them a chance to win the Super Bowl every year. However, Rodgers has also made it clear that he is unhappy with the way the team is being run, and he may not be willing to stay long-term. If the Packers trade Rodgers, they will get a significant haul of draft picks that they can use to rebuild the team. However, they will also lose a top-tier quarterback and will have to find a new way to win games.

Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to trade Aaron Rodgers is a decision that the Packers will have to make based on their own assessment of the situation. There is no right or wrong answer, and both options have pros and cons.


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All of that is well and good, but the team who has been publicly courting Aaron Rodgers amd planning the upcoming season under the false assumption that the packers were going to give Rodgers away to them simply because Rodgers wanted to go there, and don’t appear to have any plan B at QB are under more pressure than the team with two qbs. That doesn’t make what the packers are doing with their team brilliant or smart, it just means the jets have painted themselves into a corner. The team without the QB is the one going “oh shit”, not the packers. Eventually a deal will be made anyway, and none of this will matter.

Agreed, this deal is getting done one or the other. Way too many people would lose their jobs if not.

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And in the middle of it all is Aaron Rodgers, running his mouth on Pat McAfee like a little bitch making everything worse for both teams.


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I appreciate your analysis but it doesn't follow that the team that wants Rodgers is under more pressure than, as you put it, "the team with two QBs." Again, the problem isn't the mere quantity of QBs on GB it's that they cannot coexist with one another: it's a zero sum game. Actually, it's not even that because since you've botched the Rodgers exit (Gute's weak explanation this week was Krause-like, straight up weasel) and then doubled down on that error by speaking about him in the past tense. So now there's no choice BUT to get rid of him, and the Jets/league know that. The Jets can move on without Rodgers and earn the wrath of a fan base. But the Packers absolutely have to jettison Rodgers, they've already said goodbye. They can thank Gute for orchestrating this shitsow.

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No they can't. Stop being obtuse and literally just listen to the fucking owner of the Jets and stop pretending you know more about this than he does :lol: :lol:

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What he said doesn't change anything: the Pack must make the deal. They're already discussing compensation publicly and speaking about Rodgers in the past tense. By doing that they lose leverage because they're painted into a corner now.

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The Jets have no quality QB and have put all of their eggs in one basket this off-season, and have ownership telling them they better win now, and they face another season with Zach Wilson in a tough unforgiving market. The Packers have a QB, play in a market that worships them and Aaron Rodgers no matter what happens.


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Vegan sounds like the most disgruntled Packers fan I have ever met. :lol:

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Vegan sounds like the most disgruntled Packers fan I have ever met. :lol:

He so loves Rodgers and so hates Gute that he is incapable of acknowledging that it’s possible the Packers know what they’re doing. It’s like reading an old article by Jay Mariotti on the White Sox.

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Stop being obtuse and literally just listen to the fucking owner of the Jets and stop pretending you know more about this than he does
If there is one thing Jets ownership and management has shown over the years, its that they are competent and always make timely moves to improve their football team.

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