I love going back and forth with you guys - for real - but on this they are clearly in over their heads. That's why I semi-seriously call you guys pro-management Gute bootlickers because I'm not sure how torpedoing your 2020-2023 championship window plus allowing this Rodgers situation to escalate into this very public feud is not indicative of managerial incompetence. All eyes are fixated on GB for all the wrong reasons - where is Rodgers going, is he going, when is he going, who is the QB, what will Jordan Love do if Rodgers isn't dealt, how is the roster going to react to the situation if there's no resolution, etc. No professional management team allows these things to fester - they move on swiftly and decisively. They don't hem and haw and make lame excuses like "well, gee golly, I want to say I called him but he didn't pick up," like that dumbass clown Gute did.

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There you go, such fire and passion!!!!

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Gute has botched this in every way imaginable. Vegan can clearly see what Packers fans can't. Oftentimes, when you're on the inside, your vision can be impaired. Vegan has a bird's eye view of the destruction.

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I dont think they are competent. It's sort of indefensible they arent calling about Lamar while negotiating with GB. Still, their competency is irrelevant to the point I made that you quoted just now.

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The Jets can claim the Packers were making unreasonable demands. Should the Jets give them whatever they want?

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Nope and hence we are here. I do believe it gets done as both teams do want it to happen and neither side doesn't want it to not work out. It wouldn't look good on either side.

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But... but... the Packers have all the leverage!

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No, they shouldn't give GB whatever they want. But based on the Jets owners public comments, any reasonable person can see that the Jets front office is under pressure to get a reasonable deal done, and probably soon.

The offer that makes the most sense for both teams is Jets 2nd this year, and a conditional pick in 24 or 25 that starts out as day 3 pick but rises to 1st round if Rodgers is on the team for 2024.

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I wouldn't include a 1st round pick for being on the roster. Maybe if they make the Super Bowl.

I'm guessing the Packers want a 1st round pick no matter what.

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Yeah, it's entirely reasonable for GB to insist on getting a 1st back if Rodgers plays a minimum of 2 seasons for the Jets. I don't expect GB to agree to anything less, nor should they.

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If he is good then it would be. There is a reason GB wants him gone though.

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I think it's specifically that #13 pick that's holding things up and I don't blame the Jets for balking at that. I would be ok with a swap of firsts 13 for 15, along with their 2 second rd picks (42 & 43) & a conditional pick in 2024 based on the number of starts ARod makes. This allows the Jets to keep a similar 1st and prevents the appearance of getting fleeced. The Packers would get 2 picks that essentially add up to a 17-19 1st based upon trade value charts this season and possibly another decent pick in 2024.

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3 high round picks and a swap of your first round pick is still a huge price to pay for a guy no one else wants though including his own team.

There is a good chance Rodgers just isn't great any more especially with one more off-season of his alternative training regiment.

2nd round pick this year.

3rd round pick next year that upgrades to a 2nd if they make the playoffs and upgrades to a 1st if they make the Super Bowl.

Tell the Packers to either take it or find another team that will give them more.

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That’s a reasonable scenario but getting back to the whole leverage discussion - if your last comment comes into play, then who is the Jets starting QB? Vegan thinks ARod coming back to the Packers is the big OMG situation, but the Jets think they are SB contenders. Based upon his ant-Gute rant you’d think he would worry about maximizing that SB window.

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The Packers dont want Rodgers.
Rodgers doesnt want to play in GB.

The Jets know this. They Also know they are one of a very few trade partners. Jets can make an offer and tell green bay to take it or leave it. Leverage.

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Again - in Bernstein pausing tones - who is the Jets QB? Answer that please and then I’ll dissect the Packers situation. (Hint: wahhhh…we have a disgruntled back-up).

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Wilson isn't good but he was 5-4 last year.. better than Rodgers 8-9.

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Wow. That’s a Vegan level bad comparison.

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I'm just pointing out they can go to the playoffs with Wilson, the team is loaded.

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You realize they were 7-10 last season, right? And the weak link was the QB. But sure, next season will be different.

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Wilson was 5-4 .. they have a lot of great young talent

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Nobody is arguing with the second half of that statement but attributing the 5-4 to Wilson is absurd and you know it.

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Zippy is lying here. The pack won't have a "disgruntled" backup QB. You'll have two QBs who want out. On Rodgers, there is no trade partner other than the Jets. After Gute incompetently failed to resolve the Rodgers issue following the season, Rodgers singlehandedly told the league "do not trade for me because I'm only going to the Jets". After that announcement, which again was only caused by Gute's indecision and lack of executive management skills, even interested teams were not gonna make offers to the pack for Rodgers because Rodgers would simply not show up. That reduced the packs leverage considerably - they can only work with the jets. This is what happens when your GM is an genius.

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This is like Rick attributing 2018 to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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Not obsessed. Very normal.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
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Tell us how Gute's boots taste.

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I'm just repeating what Frank said anyway.

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T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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312 would have been a huge Craig Krenzel fan. 3-2!

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You are a delusional mess.

Love does not want out. He is the Packers 2023 starter. It's up to the Jets if they want Rodgers or Zach Wilson.

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If love is the starter, and everyone knows it... how do the Packers have leverage again? Because the fans want Rodgers? Ok.

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