Watch Houston take Carter at #2 and then try to trade up out of 12 for a falling QB

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The Bears could find themselves in an interesting position if any of these QBs fall and are available at #9.

I still think all 4 go in the top 7 or so, but Bears could be a good trade down spot should that happen.

Recent reports have Carolina taking Bryce Young now.

Houston is supposedly on the fence for taking a QB and Arizona should be looking at defense.

I think they were taking Bryce Young from the jump.

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I don’t know how Carolina makes the trade without already being 100% on their first choice of Young. Everything else has been a smoke screen.

For Houston I’d think their perfect draft starts with CJ at 2 and comes back with JSN at 12. Get your paired QB/WR set and go from there.

I’d love for a QB to be there at 9 for a Justin Fields style trade down. For that QB to be there it also likely means that Carter and the CB are already off the board.

Young has always been the clear #1. That doesn't mean he won't fail but he's far and away better than anyone else.

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Carolina is going to be a measuring stick for the Bears. If they have the same or better record next season, it's an indictment of Poles, Fields, and Eberflus.

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Agree with that. What I hate about Young is his size and expectations of 1.1. Brees got to red shirt his first year in the NFL. Always cusious if his careers turn out different if he was a day 1 starter in San Diego.

Carolina had a much better roster going into the off season.

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True, but that's a low bar and I would bet their roster will stay flat or got worse. They gave up a lot to get suspect QB....said another way....had it been the Bears that gave up the picks to get Bryce Young or whoever...I'd be PISSED.

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They didn't deplete the roster though to get the #1 pick. They lost Moore - legit loss - but no other position took a hit. Like I've said before, the gap between the QB committee they employed last year - Mayfield/Tucker/Darnold - and Young/Stroud shouldn't be all that big, so you might even be looking at a moderate upgrade at QB. Then they added Saunders at RB and mitigated the loss at WR by signing Thielan and Chark. At the very least, the roster is considerably better than what the Bears put out there in 2022.

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Panthers will be bad. As long as they don't win the division that 24 pick will be good

If you're so sure about them being bad then why allow for the possibility of winning the division?

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The NFC South is up for grabs. I'm pretty sure TB will not compete this season, but Atlanta has been working on upgrading their defense (still don't have a QB), the Saints are probably the favorite with Carr signed and Carolina is thought of as a team with good talent, but will be playing a rookie QB.

Carolina has pretty good talent and a fairly easy schedule. They could finish with a winning record.

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Yep. They sort of let the Bears do the hard work of tanking and then traded for the fruits of all that tanking. The veteran pickups this off-season strongly indicate they are trying to compete. As a Bears fan I hope they go 0-17, but they're clearly trying to win.

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Thielen is cooked, Chark is bad. Is Sanders an upgrade over Foreman?

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I think sanders is an upgrade. Remember the argument isn't Carolina is going to the Superbowl. It's that Carolina can hover around 500 again. Thielen, Chark, Sanders, the rookie QB, a bad division, etc in my head equals at least six wins.

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I think Carolina will be in the 6-9 win range. I just dont think signing two bad WRs mitigates losing Moore, and I dont know that replacing Foreman with Sanders is an upgrade. Foreman has been very good the last couple years when he's been the guy.

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Their games outside the division aren't too bad either: Bears, Houston, Packers, Vikings, Dallas, Seattle, Tennessee, Miami, Indy, Jacksonville.

They should win a few of those.

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Also 8-9 won their division with the other 3 teams at 7-10. Everything there screams mediocre.

Bucs Baker mayfield
Saint Derek carr
Falcons Desmond ridder
Panthers 1.1/Andy Daulton

They may be better than I think, but I just find it difficult to believe that a team with a rookie QB will compete in Year 1. How often has that happened? Carolina has filled out their roster with veterans, but does anyone think Thielen or Clark will be difference makers? Thielen looks to be on the downside of his career. Maybe helpful to a rookie QB, but highly doubtful their WR corp is even average.

Miles Sanders has been a good player, but Philly has been a pretty offense. How will he look with a rookie QB? They do have a good offensive line....

See all kind of stuff how the Texans supposedly only like one QB, if that is the case how in the hell did they let Carolina outbid them for the #1 pick?

It does seem that if Jalen Carter or one of the QB's is still there at #9 the Bears should get some solid offers.

Most of the stuff you hear in podcasts or read says that the group of OT prospects with first round grades are all fairly similar, it's a bad draft for centers, and that you will likely be able to draft guys with first round talent and RB, CB, and TE in the second and maybe even third round. Would not be surprised if Poles uses one of the seconds or even the pick at the top of the third round on a CB or RB if one of the top guys slides.

Would not be surprised if Poles sticks with his best player available, but you have to start investing early round picks on both lines, especially on defense where your DE and DT rooms both are amongst the worst in the NFL.

I guess it depends on who the one QB is. It would be foolish for them to recklessly trade draft picks to move up one spot when there are conceivably 4 QB's set to go in the top 10, maybe even the top five, and none of them are sure-fire can't miss (if there is such a thing) prospects. If the Texans are going QB at number 2, they should be feeling pretty good.

Is six wins really "competing"? That's below average. Also, all the rookie QB has to do is meet or beat the performance of Tucker/Darnold/Mayfield. Is that a high bar to clear? They'll rely on running and defense to win anyway. You also said you think they'll be "better" than six wins anyway so I think your post has some consistency issues.



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Carolina signed Chark and Sanders, two guys with a history of injuries. I expect them to be making business decisions in the second half of the season.

it sounds like the texans are going with will anderson at two. In a vacuum, I think that's the right move. However, they were fools for not making a bigger play for the first pick. We look at next years QB group and it may be phenomenal, but waiting another year is always fraught with problems. If the Texans go defense and then start Davis Mills, they will be a very bad team, but there will be other very bad teams out there as well.

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time will tell who the fools were, but there is a higher chance of Will Anderson being a successful pro than Bryce Young, and the Texans didn't have to give up a thing.

Did I give a prediction on how many wins Carolina will have? I don't think I made a prediction, but I find it hard to believe they don't take a step back (it's not as if they were a 10 win team last year though so a step down may not be a step down in terms of wins/losses) trying to win in Year 1 with a rookie QB.

Currrently, I'd say they are battling Atlanta for 2nd place in the NFC South, but that division looks pretty weak overall.

The Texans will need to find a QB at some point, it makes sense to do it at #2 and get the second best guy this year unless you are going to tank again this year.

The Bears will have plenty of suitors at #9, a QB would seem to sweeten the pot at bit, and if Carter slips to that point it would seem you almost have to take him, consistently hear the draft experts say he either the best or second best prospect in this years draft.

Could see a scenario where it comes down to taking Skoronski, who they say will be Pro Bowl guard and will be positive contributor at guard day one through the next 5-10 years, or taking a tackle who may take a bit to develop, or trading down and picking up an extra second which seems to be the most logical option given the talent deficiency on the roster.

Gibbs would be tempting in the second round, would give the team a speedy guy that can catch the ball out of the backfield, this team is not going to win the Super Bowl in 2024, it is more of a build for next year, so taking guys with first round talent that slip into the second round at the expense of reaching for a need makes sense at this point.

2024 QB class looking like the best QB draft class since 2004. I'd hard pass on all these QB's in the 2023 class and try to grab an extra pick or two as draft capital/lottery tickets for 2024.