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This might be the worst team to ever play the game at the big league level. Seriously.



is this their worst April in your memory? When the cubs really stink up the place (which is more often than I'd like to admit) I always think, well, its not 1994 bad and I admittedly don't follow the Sox closely but this is bad as I can remember.



1969 was my first year as a fan and they were certainly worse than this on paper, but I didn't know any better then and I was just happy to watch baseball with my dad. It also didn't come after five years of losing on purpose with the promise of a long contention period.

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It's one thing to lose while your future is playing well, and there just not enough depth on the team. It's another thing to lose while your future is clearly overmatched.

16 guys have taken plate appearances this year. The median age is 27. Sheets and Burger are only a year younger than Benintendi.

Colas is overmatched. Sosa has no business being there. Vaughn has an OPS+ over 100 but he's a 1B and he needs another 50 points of slug. Robert and Jimenez have been total shit. Moncada was hitting well in a small sample but is hurt again. Only Sheets and Burger, who should be their two main bench bats because they can't really field, have been hitting well, and they are 27 already.

There is no future.

ETA: their position players under 27 at Charlotte are Sebastian Rivero, Yolbert Sanchez, and Carlos Perez. That's fucking it. The first two can't even crack a .600 OPS at AAA. So they may as well bring up Perez and see what he can do.

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Robert is sitting today. He should probably sit for a few games. If he injured enough that he doesn't think he can try to beat out a grounder he can't play.

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This might be the worst team to ever play the game at the big league level. Seriously.



is this their worst April in your memory? When the cubs really stink up the place (which is more often than I'd like to admit) I always think, well, its not 1994 bad and I admittedly don't follow the Sox closely but this is bad as I can remember.



1969 was my first year as a fan and they were certainly worse than this on paper, but I didn't know any better then and I was just happy to watch baseball with my dad. It also didn't come after five years of losing on purpose with the promise of a long contention period.



It's all easier when you are a kid to just enjoy the moment for sure. My kids were happy to go to a game, any game and have a hot dog and a pop. There was a reward in that even while watching Edwin Jackson get lit up or Junior Lake go 0 for again. About the same as going to low A Quad Cities baseball I suppose if Im being honest.

The tank is great when it works but there are so little guarantees in baseball when it comes to prospects and where you find them between injuries, projections and everything else. Top 5 pics or international signings are all exciting and everything but the track record would tell you to temper your expectations. I hate the signing of retreads as well but it's not an either or proposition.


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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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This might be the worst team to ever play the game at the big league level. Seriously.



is this their worst April in your memory? When the cubs really stink up the place (which is more often than I'd like to admit) I always think, well, its not 1994 bad and I admittedly don't follow the Sox closely but this is bad as I can remember.



1969 was my first year as a fan and they were certainly worse than this on paper, but I didn't know any better then and I was just happy to watch baseball with my dad. It also didn't come after five years of losing on purpose with the promise of a long contention period.



It's all easier when you are a kid to just enjoy the moment for sure. My kids were happy to go to a game, any game and have a hot dog and a pop. There was a reward in that even while watching Edwin Jackson get lit up or Junior Lake go 0 for again. About the same as going to low A Quad Cities baseball I suppose if Im being honest.

The tank is great when it works but there are so little guarantees in baseball when it comes to prospects and where you find them between injuries, projections and everything else. Top 5 pics or international signings are all exciting and everything but the track record would tell you to temper your expectations. I hate the signing of retreads as well but it's not an either or proposition.

The thing that made the Cub rebuild tolerable was that you could see progression from the guys who would eventually matter. When Anthony Rizzo has his cup of coffee with San Diego he was as overmatched as Colas was now. His first two years in Chicago, he was horrible against lefties. But you could see that he was making adjustments and improving. It was fine to sit in Washington on a 90 degree evening and watch Chris Volstad get his brains beaten in, the kids were getting experience and improving.

With the White Sox, there is no improvement from the guys who we should be expecting to improve year over year, and Charlotte is a tire fire of AAAA has beens like Billy Hamilton, Jake Marisnick, and Clint Frazier.

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Chet with the excellent Sox analysis there.

JORR might not be exaggerating about how this is one of the all-time bad teams. Certainly, so far this season, they are the worst Sox team I have seen. The 2001 team battled back from 14-29 (if I remember correctly) to finish several games over .500, but that was a decent team that had a few holes (and some injuries).

This team is almost all holes.

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This might be the worst team to ever play the game at the big league level. Seriously.



is this their worst April in your memory? When the cubs really stink up the place (which is more often than I'd like to admit) I always think, well, its not 1994 bad and I admittedly don't follow the Sox closely but this is bad as I can remember.



1969 was my first year as a fan and they were certainly worse than this on paper, but I didn't know any better then and I was just happy to watch baseball with my dad. It also didn't come after five years of losing on purpose with the promise of a long contention period.



It's all easier when you are a kid to just enjoy the moment for sure. My kids were happy to go to a game, any game and have a hot dog and a pop. There was a reward in that even while watching Edwin Jackson get lit up or Junior Lake go 0 for again. About the same as going to low A Quad Cities baseball I suppose if Im being honest.

The tank is great when it works but there are so little guarantees in baseball when it comes to prospects and where you find them between injuries, projections and everything else. Top 5 pics or international signings are all exciting and everything but the track record would tell you to temper your expectations. I hate the signing of retreads as well but it's not an either or proposition.

The thing that made the Cub rebuild tolerable was that you could see progression from the guys who would eventually matter. When Anthony Rizzo has his cup of coffee with San Diego he was as overmatched as Colas was now. His first two years in Chicago, he was horrible against lefties. But you could see that he was making adjustments and improving. It was fine to sit in Washington on a 90 degree evening and watch Chris Volstad get his brains beaten in, the kids were getting experience and improving.

With the White Sox, there is no improvement from the guys who we should be expecting to improve year over year, and Charlotte is a tire fire of AAAA has beens like Billy Hamilton, Jake Marisnick, and Clint Frazier.


I guess the Cub rebuild "worked", I mean obviously they broke the World Series drought. But what if Cleveland wins that game. Yeah, then you had a few good seasons with some playoff runs, but you're already back to Tank II- Electric Boogaloo where Caller Bob had to pretend to be excited about Schwisdom.

Tanking sucks. If every team isn't trying to win every year, that's something in the game that needs to be fixed. And it's something a lot bigger than shifting on a left-handed power hitter.

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This might be the worst team to ever play the game at the big league level. Seriously.



is this their worst April in your memory? When the cubs really stink up the place (which is more often than I'd like to admit) I always think, well, its not 1994 bad and I admittedly don't follow the Sox closely but this is bad as I can remember.



1969 was my first year as a fan and they were certainly worse than this on paper, but I didn't know any better then and I was just happy to watch baseball with my dad. It also didn't come after five years of losing on purpose with the promise of a long contention period.



It's all easier when you are a kid to just enjoy the moment for sure. My kids were happy to go to a game, any game and have a hot dog and a pop. There was a reward in that even while watching Edwin Jackson get lit up or Junior Lake go 0 for again. About the same as going to low A Quad Cities baseball I suppose if Im being honest.

The tank is great when it works but there are so little guarantees in baseball when it comes to prospects and where you find them between injuries, projections and everything else. Top 5 pics or international signings are all exciting and everything but the track record would tell you to temper your expectations. I hate the signing of retreads as well but it's not an either or proposition.

The thing that made the Cub rebuild tolerable was that you could see progression from the guys who would eventually matter. When Anthony Rizzo has his cup of coffee with San Diego he was as overmatched as Colas was now. His first two years in Chicago, he was horrible against lefties. But you could see that he was making adjustments and improving. It was fine to sit in Washington on a 90 degree evening and watch Chris Volstad get his brains beaten in, the kids were getting experience and improving.

With the White Sox, there is no improvement from the guys who we should be expecting to improve year over year, and Charlotte is a tire fire of AAAA has beens like Billy Hamilton, Jake Marisnick, and Clint Frazier.


I guess the Cub rebuild "worked", I mean obviously they broke the World Series drought. But what if Cleveland wins that game. Yeah, then you had a few good seasons with some playoff runs, but you're already back to Tank II- Electric Boogaloo where Caller Bob had to pretend to be excited about Schwisdom.

Tanking sucks. If every team isn't trying to win every year, that's something in the game that needs to be fixed. And it's something a lot bigger than shifting on a left-handed power hitter.



Stop revenue sharing and reward the best teams with higher draft picks. Will never happen but would stop tanking.

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Right, that long foul ball in game 7 stays fair and you are dealing with a WS loss sandwiched between 2 LCS losses and while better than my childhood cubs I'm still grumbling about 115 years and so forth and scouring the minors everydays hoping Brennen Davis isn't the next Felix Pie and PCA isn't Corey Patterson. And they very well might be.

Knowing when its time to fish or cut bait as the season progresses is one thing but going into season after season with the idea of loosing 90-100 games as a foregone conclusion and goal... Is a problem. And it usually doesn't work out well. That said, I hated the Cubs signing people like Jeromy Burnitz or other middling vets because that seemed dumbb as hell too. I don't know..


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Right, that long foul ball in game 7 stays fair and you are dealing with a WS loss sandwiched between 2 LCS losses


The moment Kipnis hit that I thought it was curtains.

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I'd like to write how much I love that catcher but eff him

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Cubs had to rebuild the whole franchise from the foundation. It wasn't simply a 'tank'.

Ivy, the Harry Caray legacy, and frat boys isn't a foundation.


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This team doesnt want to win. More bad news bears shit.

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:lol: :lol: 120 loss team. My god

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This team doesnt want to win. More bad news bears shit.

It's worse than a clown show. It's just a nightmare.

It's like student work after Covid: They find new ways to disappoint you every day.

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Now they throw at a guy? Wow. They are bad and gutless.

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Alright, God!! You made Your point! I'll be better!! Please stop!!

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Romy Gonzalez isnt even a A player.

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It's beyond fun-bad.

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They should just drive down and get Wake Forest's team. At least they'd look like real players.

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Does Bummer pitch every game? I feel like every time I turn on a game he is on the mound

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Well they are putting up something of a fight here in the 9th.

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Well they are putting up something of a fight here in the 9th.

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Hahahahahahahaha!!!

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