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Kenny should go too. He's just as culpable making this mess..

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Given everything the Sox have done over the last ~8 months, Hahn deserves kudos. If the Sox continue to suck for the next 4-5 years, he will deserve and likely get a lot of negative press.

There is clearly a different philosophy in the way of doing things now with the Sox front office. Its basically the complete opposite of what Kenny Williams did for the better part of 11 years. Given that and what Kenny himself has publically said, it leads me to believe that Hahn was NOT 100% in charge of the roster regardless of what his title was.

With what you have said in this thread, its pretty clear that you either do not understand that, or you are willfully ignoring things which would make BRick's comments about creating your own agenda correct.

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LTG sucks worse than Hahn.


Seems that Keyser "knew" something which you didn't. Shocking!

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It's too bad but he really is because Hahn handled this bullshit "rebuild" so poorly.

This is a baseless opinion that you constantly present as fact. The only fact is that none of us will know how good or poorly this rebuild went until maybe 2020 or 2021.

If you know for sure that Hahn handled this rebuild so poorly, then please cite some evidence to back it up.

If this is your opinion, it comes off very Elmhurstian in that if the Sox don't win a World Series in the next few years you can come back and say "Oh see I told you so."

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Sucks worse than Hahn and Caller Bob.

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Sucks worse than Hahn and Caller Bob.

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A strategic rebuild, only acquiring assets that were young and controllable.
Oh, ok. So its a good thing when Theo did this at the expense of the Major League roster, but its bad when Rick Hahn does the exact same fucking thing.

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Whats your point? People arent allowed to change their opinions of a coach/player/manager/executive based on performance? You can feel that way if you want. Its wrong and stupid, but if thats your thing cool.

You know nothing about nothing and know even less about the Sox but here you are spamming this section like a jackass too.

5 days ago I posted Hahn should be fired. So there.

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It's sort of tough to garner "insight" from any thread in which Ballpark Frank is a "leading voice".


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Whats your point?


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Comprehension.

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Last Year they just simply needed to get rid of LaRussa (according to MANY) and all would be right with the world. Now its back to Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf again. This is Rick Hahn's team. He blew it up so that he could "go young" and Build organically. After trying to piecemeal it together the first 4 years. Now that his young guys are either bad, injured or both all of the time, its back to being on "Kenny and Jerry". Bounce Hahn first then figure out the rest later.

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You know nothing about nothing and know even less about the Sox but here you are spamming this section like a jackass too.

5 days ago I posted Hahn should be fired. So there.


Incessantly "yelling" in the White Sox section day after day and year after year doesn't mean rhat you know much of shit. You're the loudest voice in the room. Hardly makes you the smartest or most astute.

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Weakness #1 The draft
Weakness #2 Money gets spent, but it's 2nd place money
Weakness #3 A carelessness for the fan base.

Not naming names, but these are the facts of this franchise. They are indisputable and have been ongoing over decades. OF COURSE, fire Hahn, but how is that a solution? It's a tonsillectomy for a cancer.


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Weakness #1 The draft
Weakness #2 Money gets spent, but it's 2nd place money
Weakness #3 A carelessness for the fan base.

Not naming names, but these are the facts of this franchise. They are indisputable and have been ongoing over decades. OF COURSE, fire Hahn, but how is that a solution? It's a tonsillectomy for a cancer.

Like I was saying earlier, I don't think Hahn has been given the reins of this organization. Jerry and Kenny are still making key decisions. That being said, you can't fire Jerry, so you almost have to launch Hahn.

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The saddest part, or infuriating, depending on your emotional state, is this division. A collection of tiny cities with not much tradition of winning. The Twins, I suppose, are well run. But it isn't like the Cardinals or the Rays.

I don't find any excuse compelling that the White Sox shouldn't be in the thick of it, year in, year out.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Whats your point?

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Comprehension.


It's clear from earlier statements that you were quite willing to give Hahn all of the credit for the success yet now that it is obvious that HE has fucked up spectacularly failure has somehow become a "group effort".
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This is the same shit the Bulls try to pull and it's a shame you are falling for it. Two chiefs in charge and they can just take turns blaming eachother as year after year the team sucks.

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Not really, but thats fine if you don't understand it. If you can't see that Kenny almost always traded away young guys for a veteran piece, and now Hahn is acquiring young talent then I can't help you.

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Don't let me get in the way of your blind optimism. Cheerlead as much as you want. But you might want to drop the "you don't understand it" angle. I understand perfectly what they are doing. I'm just not applauding Hahn before he's done any real work. The rest of you are.

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Given everything the Sox have done over the last ~8 months, Hahn deserves kudos. If the Sox continue to suck for the next 4-5 years, he will deserve and likely get a lot of negative press.

There is clearly a different philosophy in the way of doing things now with the Sox front office. Its basically the complete opposite of what Kenny Williams did for the better part of 11 years. Given that and what Kenny himself has publically said, it leads me to believe that Hahn was NOT 100% in charge of the roster regardless of what his title was.

With what you have said in this thread, its pretty clear that you either do not understand that, or you are willfully ignoring things which would make BRick's comments about creating your own agenda correct.

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Weakness #1 The draft
Weakness #2 Money gets spent, but it's 2nd place money
Weakness #3 A carelessness for the fan base.

Not naming names, but these are the facts of this franchise. They are indisputable and have been ongoing over decades. OF COURSE, fire Hahn, but how is that a solution? It's a tonsillectomy for a cancer.


The Sox have not always sucked. They were competitive for a great number of years. Each and everyone of the "other" GMs (of my lifetime) have had winning records. Except Hawk. Himes built a championship caliber team by the time he left. Hahn sucks. Get rid of him and install a "better baseball guy" and the team will perform better. That is what 40 years of Reinsdorfian history has shown

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The saddest part, or infuriating, depending on your emotional state, is this division. A collection of tiny cities with not much tradition of winning. The Twins, I suppose, are well run. But it isn't like the Cardinals or the Rays.

I don't find any excuse compelling that the White Sox shouldn't be in the thick of it, year in, year out.

Another sad and infuriating part is the Sox have been to the promised land. They know what its like to be on top. Evidently, they dont care enough or flat out dont want to get back.

Thats an organizational problem, not solely a GM problem.

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Nardi wrote:
The saddest part, or infuriating, depending on your emotional state, is this division. A collection of tiny cities with not much tradition of winning. The Twins, I suppose, are well run. But it isn't like the Cardinals or the Rays.

I don't find any excuse compelling that the White Sox shouldn't be in the thick of it, year in, year out.


Me either. You have to shit the bed royally not to be in contention each and every year in that crappy division.

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Another sad and infuriating part is the Sox have been to the promised land. They know what its like to be on top. Evidently, they dont care enough or flat out dont want to get back.

Thats an organizational problem, not solely a GM problem.

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Comprehension.

Yet success was clearly not due to anything the "organization" was doing. It was all about Rick Hahn. That is until it wasn't of course
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This is the same shit the Bulls try to pull and it's a shame you are falling for it. Two chiefs in charge and they can just take turns blaming eachother as year after year the team sucks.

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Not really, but thats fine if you don't understand it. If you can't see that Kenny almost always traded away young guys for a veteran piece, and now Hahn is acquiring young talent then I can't help you.

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Don't let me get in the way of your blind optimism. Cheerlead as much as you want. But you might want to drop the "you don't understand it" angle. I understand perfectly what they are doing. I'm just not applauding Hahn before he's done any real work. The rest of you are.

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Given everything the Sox have done over the last ~8 months, Hahn deserves kudos. If the Sox continue to suck for the next 4-5 years, he will deserve and likely get a lot of negative press.

There is clearly a different philosophy in the way of doing things now with the Sox front office. Its basically the complete opposite of what Kenny Williams did for the better part of 11 years. Given that and what Kenny himself has publically said, it leads me to believe that Hahn was NOT 100% in charge of the roster regardless of what his title was.

With what you have said in this thread, its pretty clear that you either do not understand that, or you are willfully ignoring things which would make BRick's comments about creating your own agenda correct.

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Schueler 817-729
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Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?

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Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?


Yes. I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be. I think they both are convenient scapegoats for when "preferred" guys like Hahn can't get it done. That isn't going unnoticed.
I think Reinsdorf gives his G.M.a budget to work from and then gets the hell out the way. LaRussa was his hire and maybe a coach or 2 but in terms of players I don't think he tells his G.M. whom to acquire. All owners provide budgets for their G.M. That isn't out of the ordinary.
As far as Kenny goes I think he is mostly a figurehead at this point. Definitely don't think he is involved day to day. Get a solid baseball guy and they will be fine.

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Will Kenny let them get a solid baseball guy? And will any solid baseball guy want to work for Kenny?

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Will Kenny let them get a solid baseball guy? And will any solid baseball guy want to work for Kenny?


Yes. They will. The question is really whether Reinsdorf wants to go outside the organization in order to find the guy. I don't think that he does though he did eventually do it with the Bulls

As far as Kenny goes, I don’t think he is nearly as hands on as many think that he is. There also isn't a doubt in my mind as to whether this is Hahn's creation either.

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Yes. I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be. I think they both are convenient scapegoats for when "preferred" guys like Hahn can't get it done. That isn't going unnoticed.
I think Reinsdorf gives his G.M.a budget to work from and then gets the hell out the way. LaRussa was his hire and maybe a coach or 2 but in terms of players I don't think he tells his G.M. whom to acquire. All owners provide budgets for their G.M. That isn't out of the ordinary.
As far as Kenny goes I think he is mostly a figurehead at this point. Definitely don't think he is involved day to day. Get a solid baseball guy and they will be fine.

But people want Hahn fired. They just want the other two gone as well.

Kenny has been happy to tell anybody who listens that he’s ultimately in charge of roster decisions. Hahn makes recommendations, Kenny makes decisions. I’ll take him at his word.

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Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?


Yes. I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be. I think they both are convenient scapegoats for when "preferred" guys like Hahn can't get it done. That isn't going unnoticed.
I think Reinsdorf gives his G.M.a budget to work from and then gets the hell out the way. LaRussa was his hire and maybe a coach or 2 but in terms of players I don't think he tells his G.M. whom to acquire. All owners provide budgets for their G.M. That isn't out of the ordinary.
As far as Kenny goes I think he is mostly a figurehead at this point. Definitely don't think he is involved day to day. Get a solid baseball guy and they will be fine.

But people want Hahn fired. They just want the other two gone as well.

Kenny has been happy to tell anybody who listens that he’s ultimately in charge of roster decisions. Hahn makes recommendations, Kenny makes decisions. I’ll take him at his word.

Be careful. Not liking Kenny is apparently racist.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?


Yes. I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be. I think they both are convenient scapegoats for when "preferred" guys like Hahn can't get it done. That isn't going unnoticed.
I think Reinsdorf gives his G.M.a budget to work from and then gets the hell out the way. LaRussa was his hire and maybe a coach or 2 but in terms of players I don't think he tells his G.M. whom to acquire. All owners provide budgets for their G.M. That isn't out of the ordinary.
As far as Kenny goes I think he is mostly a figurehead at this point. Definitely don't think he is involved day to day. Get a solid baseball guy and they will be fine.

But people want Hahn fired. They just want the other two gone as well.

Kenny has been happy to tell anybody who listens that he’s ultimately in charge of roster decisions. Hahn makes recommendations, Kenny makes decisions. I’ll take him at his word.


You had a scout that worked for the Sox who posted here that clearly "knew" otherwise. He had no problem with proclaiming them to be Hahn picks. And Hahn himself clearly stated this past weekend that this is on him but when he says this it just can't possibly be "true" however.

And you yourself have been quoted here as saying that those were Hahn draft picks. Until they flopped and then they somehow became Kenny picks.
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Yes.
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Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?


Yes. I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be. I think they both are convenient scapegoats for when "preferred" guys like Hahn can't get it done. That isn't going unnoticed.
I think Reinsdorf gives his G.M.a budget to work from and then gets the hell out the way. LaRussa was his hire and maybe a coach or 2 but in terms of players I don't think he tells his G.M. whom to acquire. All owners provide budgets for their G.M. That isn't out of the ordinary.
As far as Kenny goes I think he is mostly a figurehead at this point. Definitely don't think he is involved day to day. Get a solid baseball guy and they will be fine.

But people want Hahn fired. They just want the other two gone as well.

Kenny has been happy to tell anybody who listens that he’s ultimately in charge of roster decisions. Hahn makes recommendations, Kenny makes decisions. I’ll take him at his word.


You had a scout that worked for the Sox who posted here that clearly "knew" otherwise. He had no problem with proclaiming them to be Hahn picks. And Hahn himself clearly stated this past weekend that this is on him but when he says this it just can't possibly be "true" however.

And you yourself have been quoted here as saying that those were Hahn draft picks. Until they flopped and then they somehow became Kenny picks.
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Hahn’s record looks nuts relative to the Williams regime. Crochet, Vaughn, Madrigal, Anderson, Rodon…

But people want Hahn fired. You’re ignoring that for some reason. Kenny is the guy who said he has final say. You’re siding with an anonymous scout calling the guy a liar.

I’d also stand by the quote on draft picks during Hahn’s GM tenure v. Williams’ GM tenure.

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Link - do you think firing Hahn alone solves their issues?

Yes.
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Given everything the Sox have done over the last ~8 months, Hahn deserves kudos. If the Sox continue to suck for the next 4-5 years, he will deserve and likely get a lot of negative press.

There is clearly a different philosophy in the way of doing things now with the Sox front office. Its basically the complete opposite of what Kenny Williams did for the better part of 11 years. Given that and what Kenny himself has publically said, it leads me to believe that Hahn was NOT 100% in charge of the roster regardless of what his title was.

With what you have said in this thread, its pretty clear that you either do not understand that, or you are willfully ignoring things which would make BRick's comments about creating your own agenda correct.

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Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.


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Again, your comprehension needs work.


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The Missing Link wrote:
I really don't believe that either Kenny or Reinsdorf are nearly as involved as people make it out to be.


I don't think anyone outside the front office knows who is exercising power and when. I've heard Kimbrel was a Kenny move. Who knows if that's true? Maybe it's like you say and it's just excuse making for Hahn. One thing for sure though, it seemed pretty obvious at that press conference that LaRussa wasn't Hahn's idea.

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