What's Robert Brooks up to ?

In other words, organizations win championships.

How do you like this year's release of the Air Krauses? I hope they come in your size.

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I do think Gute is in touch with someone on the board but it's not me. If anyone here is in lockstep with Gute, or if anyone here is actually Gute, it's UMN. They might be the only two people in the world who thought the one thing that prevented GB from winning was employing Rodgers and Adams. At least the bootlickers can rejoice now that GB is liberated from the toxic MVP play of Rodgers.

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You just can't help yourself. I just think it is so great that you are such a closet Packers fan. No one and I mean no one could have as much passion as you do without being a HUGE fan.

Go Pack!!!

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More gibberish

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Which is interesting, considering the Bears invested significantly more draft capital in Fields than the Packers did in Love.

And still, dumb Bears fans think Packers fans should be upset with Gute for prioritizing the most important position in sports. Can't make this stuff up. Poor vegan.

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Packers had a HOF QB and were on the verge of having a Super Bowl caliber team, yet drafted a QB #1 overall rather than fix the other issues on their roster. They invested quite a bit.

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Again, more dishonesty. Let me give you an easy scenario, bootlicker:

Your QB is MVP at 37 and is still lights out
Your team is ready to win now
You barely lost in the championship game
Everyone is down to run it back
There's no super team or QB you're afraid of; the super QB, if there is one, is actually on your team

Who's your first pick in the draft?

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Whoever is highest on my board. You are incredibly bad at this.

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The Bears invested roughly 3x as much draft capital in Fields as the Packers did in Love. Just to be in the same position, as dolphin mentioned.

Spin away though.

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Frank, you don't get it. Maslow's hierarchy of needs says a home is more important than a car. Though you have a home already and don't have a car, you still decide to invest your remaining savings in a second home. Now you have two homes. But how do you get to work? FF says don't worry, afterall you prioritized purchasing the most important asset in life.

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It is amazing how bad you are at this.

Yes, for the same exact price I would prefer a house to a car even if I already owned a house. Who the fuck wouldn't?

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What's the price? Do you really think all it cost the Pack was two picks for love? If so it doesn't appear you're familiar with things like opportunity costs and return on investments. In which case you're very similar to Gute. I guess it's a Wisconsin thing.

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Don't try to walkback your dumbass analogy now. Tell me more about how for the same exact price you would buy a car over a house

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I'm not walking anything back, I'm still within the parameters of the example. What you've done above is expose your lack of understanding of the actual cost of acquiring Love. The actual cost is obvious and has been explained MANY times both here and on countless serious NFL sites. You're smart enough to know it too, but bootlickers gonna lick boots.

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What am I spinning? The Packers had a legit HOF QB, still easily top 5 and probably top 3 in the NFL in 2019, and took a QB first overall. That's an investment.

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This is more gibberish.

It sounds like you don't understand what opportunity cost is. Or you do, and you don't understand how to explain it.

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You don't win Super Bowls now drafting for some distant future potential, hypothetical payoff.

The Chiefs essentially lit their last 3 1st round picks on fire, didn't matter. If the Packers were good enough to win the SB, they probably would have with or without Higgins. It's possible he would have ended up being the difference maker, but not probable. A SB win is certainly not part of the opportunity cost of drafting Love.

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"How does this move get the team closer to a championship?" to quote Bernstein.

It's like the Warriors drafting Wiseman with the 2nd overall instead of trading the pick for more now-ready reinforcements for their current roster's championship runs--only worse: at least with the Wiseman pick there was an outside chance he could contribute now. Drafting a QB 1st round when you're (i) already set at QB for the foreseeable future and (ii) ostensibly in a contending window? That's just bad drafting. It's not moving your current team any closer to a championship.

The problem with this is you have the benefit of knowing how well Rodgers played after they drafted Love, which skews your perspective. The reality during that time period was that a 33 yr old Rodgers was injured in 2017 & appeared to be less accurate in 2018 & 2019. As a fan I remember being very concerned that age & injury had caught up with him. While I wasn't in favor of drafting a replacement QB at that point, I could also understand why that was a consideration for a GM that didn't want to entertain a full rebuild. As it turned out they could have waited another yr or 2, but hindsight is 20-20.

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that's fair, i don't recall what was going on with Rodgers back then too well. Although I recall folks saying drafting Jordan Love seemed to light a fire under Rodgers' ass a bit and he played better after...I dunno.

I guess the same is somewhat true of the Wiseman thing--had the Warriors known Wiseman would be useless in the playoffs, maybe they don't draft? Although how many 1st or even 2nd year one-and-done draftees contribute much in the playoffs.

And Wiseman played better post trade to the Pistons. Maybe not having Draymond Green riding his ass every time he messed up helped Wiseman relax and hoop better.

Still, I think in both instances you draft for now, but maybe the Packers were drafting now insurance.

Zippy's post is the most reasonable so far from the pro Gute crowd but still misses the mark. There is an objective case to be made against the Love pick that is not skewed by hindsight bias. First of all, in 2018, Gute made Rodgers the highest paid QB ever. From then on out, every move if you're savvy is about capitalizing on the investment by riding him to Super Bowls. That's why you give him that contract. After 6-9 season where Rodgers was injured the whole year, he proceeds to justify the contract by going 13-3 with no receivers outside of Adams and a suspect defense.


Then the Pack got steamrolled by a 49ers team that passed for less than 80 yards during their win. They ran all over the Pack for 200+ yards and 37 points. After you score 20 and give up 37 in the title game, a rational executive makes a move to bolster weak spots on the roster, particularly the weak points that were exploited during the title game. That's the only correct decision to make. Everything else is wrong. QB is not a weak spot. That's why you invested 134M in your QB. Rather than bolstering WR, or LB, or DE, or other weak spots, Gute sealed the Pack's fate by investing two picks in a position that by design actually does not play football. As Hussra correctly noted, this doesn't exactly get your NFC title contender closer to winning the next title game. The rest is history.

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Your history ignores Rodgers poor performance in those play-off losses. He also had his career lowest QBR in 2018 & 2019 (before falling off the cliff in 2022). There were valid reasons to doubt his future at that point. He rebounded only after they drafted Love.

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The counter to the playoff performance is to get him better weapons. After Adams there was nothing in that WR cupboard. In any case, it's a strange thing to both acknowledge Rodgers is the reason you got to the title game and then throw him under the bus for the performance in that game. Do you think you can get to the title game with just any QB? You also did not acknowledge that after a 6-9 injury riddled season a healthy Rodgers went 13-3; you're focusing instead on 60 minutes in that season, the most important 60 to be sure, but you're only there because of him in the first place. If you want to get back there then give him more weapons. It makes no sense whatsoever to replace him. The next year only underscores the piss poor offseason strategy of the prior year, but again the 2019 offseason is just really bad on its own terms.

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More gibberish.

Are you capable of a coherent thought on this matter?

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Fuck, I can't believe what a great Packers fan Vegan is, just amazing!!! Let's get together and watch a game.

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