We may not have smoked crack, but I'm confident every person in this community had "no respect for the law" multiple times in their life. That isn't an automatic death sentence.

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GO BEARS!!!

Why shouldn't it be a "job"? Just because they're homeless doesn't make it different from the pressure sales most of us are accustomed to. No one is obligated to give anyone a dime. It's even easier to say, "I don't have any cash" in this digital age.

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GO BEARS!!!

They aren't selling anything. However, I would feel the same way if someone was trying to sell things to random people on the train. It's just not a situation that benefits either side.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Bring back Streetwise so they can sell something

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They’re a micro-charity. The government should just provide them with receipts they can hand out to their donors for tax purposes.

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It benefits people who need money to survive.

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As I said earlier, the government would need to step in but no one should have to rely on asking for money on the subway to be able to survive.

It's like saying that undocumented workers getting paid $5 an hour actually benefit from it since they need money to survive.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Do you ever read what you post? You bring in lies about the deceased because you have to justify your fear of others. You may as well and go full Hawk and call the man an animal. You're in favor of jury nullification, state's attorneys should only charge people you agree with and instead of enforcing the law, you now need to see a societal benefit.

You don't believe in religion, you don't believe in the Constitution or the country. You simply have been reduced to a scared old man who reacts in the extreme to things that don't effect you. And then you get on your soap box and suddenly claim faith, belief or whatever is the latest right wing drivel of nobodies on Twitter.

It's disappointing if not disgusting.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I'm not saying anything of the kind.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

What are you arguing about then? Why are you so compassionate?

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GO BEARS!!!

I'm sorry that the system failed the guy. But it also failed those who had to ride the train with him.

You're not arguing that he wasn't violent. You couldn't argue that. It wouldn't be true. You're suggesting that the reason for his violence and anti-social behavior means that the rest of us should just put up with it. I think that's a recipe for a chaotic society and more and more that's what we have.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

So you don't know what you're arguing again.

Was he choked to death because he was violent? What actions from your past can someone use to justify murdering you? No, I'm clearly stating that being homeless, having a mental illness, and being an "other" isn't justification for being murdered. You agreed with that, and now it appears you're disagreeing. A recipe for a chaotic society is every man or woman deciding that any person they deem to be an other can be murdered for simply being loud and annoying.

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I know eactly what I'm arguing. If I have you trapped on a train and I'm screaming threats at you and you move to stop me from taking the next step in carrying out my threats and I end up dying because of your actions, I don't think you should be charged with a goddamn thing.

You're obsessed with the alleged reasons why he was acting like an anti-social douchebag. That shouldn't be the problem of citizens who are minding their own business.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

speaking of minding their own business, this wasn't captured on train surveillance. someone was recording it. if this guy's life was hanging in the balance for 15 minutes, someone could've stepped in and assisted the situation rather than sitting around. i mean, if we're suddenly acting as judge & jury of this situation, shouldn't that factor in just so the whole circle can be complete?

I think most people would agree that survival is better than death. You don't seem to have a point here.

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That depends on who is doing the surviving.

The woman in the story KEffective posted in the garbage thread? Death would be better.

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My point is that it doesn't benefit either side.

A person shouldn't have to beg someone on a train in order to not die and people who are just trying to get somewhere in public shouldn't have to deal with a potentially mentally unstable person trying to get enough money to survive. It makes life worse not only for the people who have to beg to survive but also the people that have to feel unsafe in an enclosed space.

Obviously, I'm not saying death is better than asking for money but that's not really a choice anyone should have to make.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

trying to turn "innocent bystanders" into "guilty bystanders"?

You watch too many movies. Welcome to real life.

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“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

Sometimes people get choked to death on the subway. Sometimes they don’t. That’s the way she goes.

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Real life. Funny. That’s up for debate.

If they were scrapping outside a club, there'd have been at least one drunk chick trying to play peacemaker who catches an inadvertent elbow to the nose and then immed starts bawling; and then her bf jumps in and the whole thing becomes a donnybrook.


Maybe New York needs more Karens riding public transit, if you guys don't cut it out I'm going to talk to the conductor

how'd they go 15 minutes without the doors opening and someone jumping out and flagging down an MTA person or these days there's usually actual NYPD posted up at most every stop, at least in the nicer parts of the city. But the cops are usually up near the turnstiles, for some reason. Probably watching for people trying to get free rides jumping or doing the pull back the bar and slide through move.

I think even you would acknowledge that there was a place between keep him restrained and "choke him to death"

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I don't think he had any intention of choking him to death.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

And yet you can get in trouble for the result of doing something you didn’t intend to do. Extremely sick

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Why do smart still people take the bait time and time again?

Fear.

Wasn't it but 2 days before Macolm X was murdered that he instructed his followers to never trust Democrats?

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If Kane and Taser could only be one.

What?

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In some circumstances, yes. Do you think you should get in trouble for protecting people on a train from some nutjob with a long history of violent behavior who is screaming threats at people?

I don't. It's fine if you do. We just disagree. That's the entire argument. It has nothing to do with the value of the guy's life or whether he "deserved" to be killed for threatening people on a train. It would have been better if things had gone differently. That doesn't make the man who dealt with the threat a criminal.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

ELECTED OFFICIALS: "We aren't going to prosecute violent criminals and we want to defund the police. Citizens, you are on your own."

CITIZENS protect themselves.

ELECTED OFFICIALS: "You will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

I don’t think you can choke someone to death on a train and not expect some kind of potential criminal liability. Would 90% of the general public have choked the guy to death? Seeing as there was only one guy on the train the choked the guy to death my guess is no.

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