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What’s the worst crime you’d cover up for your family?


Wherever your imagination takes you. There's absolutely nothing I wouldn't do to protect or save my kids.

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Who said anything about covering up?

I did. Right there in the question.

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Nas wrote:
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What’s the worst crime you’d cover up for your family?


Wherever your imagination takes you. There's absolutely nothing I wouldn't do to protect or save my kids.

Agreed on the kids part.

But for other "family" I would not be so inclined. I would rat on my brothernlaw for a $20. Sisternlaws maybe would take $100

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What’s the worst crime you’d cover up for your family?


Wherever your imagination takes you. There's absolutely nothing I wouldn't do to protect or save my kids.

Agreed on the kids part.

But for other "family" I would not be so inclined. I would rat on my brothernlaw for a $20. Sisternlaws maybe would take $100

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Poor Uncle Ted, born a generation or two too soon. If he were born in '82 instead of '42 Kaczynski would have been a blue checkmark on twitter with six-figures followers, a patreon backed podcast and maybe eventually a seat in Congress between MTG, Boebert and George Santos. At least he wouldn't have had to blackmail a newspaper to get his writings out in the world.


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tbf to the brother, it doesn't sound like he immediately jumped to turn in Ted when the writing was (almost literally) on the wall. If the wifey had not beat him over the head over and over to do so, I doubt Dave does Ted dirty. But his wife Karen'd him into it.

Dave tried to play dumb like he didn't recognize his brother's crazy rantings right off, even tho he'd been subjected to them all his life. The younger Kaczynski brother says that they turned Ted in to "save his life" b/c they--MMQB correctly--thought if Ted got caught sooner than later less likely to get the death penalty. I'm guessing that's ex post facto justification by Dave to let him sleep at night having gone Cain on his older brother. Cuz an even better way for Ted to avoid the death penalty: his brother doesn't turn him in.


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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.

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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.

I wonder how Hillary got in there.

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Kaczynski didn't...


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Poor Uncle Ted, born a generation or two too soon. If he were born in '82 instead of '42 Kaczynski would have been a blue checkmark on twitter with six-figures followers, a patreon backed podcast and maybe eventually a seat in Congress between MTG, Boebert and George Santos. At least he wouldn't have had to blackmail a newspaper to get his writings out in the world.


the world would have bowed to his educational pedigree, alone, let alone his actual thoughts

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The difference between a successful CEO and a guy like the Unabomber is mostly a difference of goals.

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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


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The difference between a successful CEO and a guy like the Unabomber is mostly a difference of goals.



Listened to a podcast ep about the Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik who I think holds the world record
for most kills in a single mass shooting (77)--although that's across multiple sites, so I don''t know how the Guinness folks would tally that total. Apparently dude was fairly successful in business, making half a mil in a year running a solo operation selling fake diplomas (who the hell is buying these things, Indians?). He ended up losing most of his minor fortune making bad investments and had to move back home with this mom and that seems to have set in motion the killing. But, yeah, obviously dude had the ability to run a business and turn a profit, even if it was a scam business. I guess technically not a scam-scam, as people got what they paid for-- he was selling picks and shovels to end user scammers.

I imagine Jim Jones 900 kills at Jonestown would top all, but he didn't personally pull the trigger on many if any of those.


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Hussra wrote:
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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


I believe it was the CIA MK-Ultra mind control experiments in San Francisco.

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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


I believe it was the CIA MK-Ultra mind control experiments in San Francisco.


Why?

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


I believe it was the CIA MK-Ultra mind control experiments in San Francisco.


Why?


why do I believe it, why did they choose him or why was the CIA doing it?

He was at Berkley and I'm not sure whether her was a volunteer or recruited.

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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


I believe it was the CIA MK-Ultra mind control experiments in San Francisco.


Why?


why do I believe it, why did they choose him or why was the CIA doing it?

He was at Berkley and I'm not sure whether her was a volunteer or recruited.


All of the above. Not so much the latter.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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Suicide. I wonder if there were mental health issues.



I thought it was an early case of incel rage, but the you look at photos of kaczynski in his relative yute
and he had the crazy in him already. wasn't he in some experiment at Harvard that bent him for good.


I believe it was the CIA MK-Ultra mind control experiments in San Francisco.


Why?


why do I believe it, why did they choose him or why was the CIA doing it?

He was at Berkley and I'm not sure whether her was a volunteer or recruited.


All of the above. Not so much the latter.


It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.

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It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.


I'm familiar with MK Ultra but know little about the Unabomber. Don't make me regret diving down a rabbit hole at some point this week.

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Nas wrote:
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It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.


I'm familiar with MK Ultra but know little about the Unabomber. Don't make me regret diving down a rabbit hole at some point this week.


Rogan had an author/journalist on who had devoted something like a decade to researching the Manson murders because it brought him into the MK Ultra subject.

Psychedelics are completely safe now as long as you have someone coaching you through the dosage.

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It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.


I'm familiar with MK Ultra but know little about the Unabomber. Don't make me regret diving down a rabbit hole at some point this week.


Rogan had an author/journalist on who had devoted something like a decade to researching the Manson murders because it brought him into the MK Ultra subject.

Psychedelics are completely safe now as long as you have someone coaching you through the dosage.


I hear the same thing everywhere I go, and in everything I read. The professional class swears by micro dosing. If you ever hear about me doing any of this shit, just know it was against my will.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.


I'm familiar with MK Ultra but know little about the Unabomber. Don't make me regret diving down a rabbit hole at some point this week.


Rogan had an author/journalist on who had devoted something like a decade to researching the Manson murders because it brought him into the MK Ultra subject.

Psychedelics are completely safe now as long as you have someone coaching you through the dosage.


I hear the same thing everywhere I go, and in everything I read. The professional class swears by micro dosing. If you ever hear about me doing any of this shit, just know it was against my will.


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Nas wrote:
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It's documented and verified that he volunteered for an extended psychological experiment while at Harvard. It's been widely reported that he was later a subject in MK Ultra, but I don't think the CIA verified this.


I'm familiar with MK Ultra but know little about the Unabomber. Don't make me regret diving down a rabbit hole at some point this week.

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So they broke him and then activated him 3 decades later? What are they doing now? What did we miss decades ago?

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I don't know if he was ever activated. That might have just been him.

I don't think it's so outrageous to think these clandestine organizations play a long game and have assets out there they may never use. I think the chinese do this through the us university system, which is all too happy to enroll people who will pay full boat for a degree.

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from what i've read here and there it was socialization/dating that might've sent Ted around the bend. Initially at University of Michigan as a grad student? And then at Berkeley as a grad assistant/asst prof (maybe?). At the end he was obsessed with the inter-library loan chick at the library in the town near where he lived in Montana. Probably if his brother had just gotten Ted a hooker every now and then, no one would have needed to die.

But I imagine the government fucking with his brain chemistry at that age softened him up for the killing.


Did they ever figure out if Kaczynski was the original Tylenol tamperer killer? I think there were copycat deaths, some woman took out her husband out in like Des Plaines or something with cyanide in his headache medicine bottle, iirc. But maybe Ted was staying back home with his family in the Chicago area during that time, after flaming out in academia, before moving out to Montana.


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I'm not ratting on anyone for something I was involved in

If you start blowing up innocent people and I find out I would dime you out. Sorry

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I'm not ratting on anyone for something I was involved in

If you start blowing up innocent people and I find out I would dime you out. Sorry


That's fine. If you helped me plan and execute the plan, you would be a rat.

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I'm not ratting on anyone for something I was involved in

If you start blowing up innocent people and I find out I would dime you out. Sorry


That's fine. If you helped me plan and execute the plan, you would be a rat.

I assumed that was a typo. Where you getting that his brother helped him bomb people?

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i think the co-conspirator thing makes you brothers in crime. Dave was Ted's actual brother and turning
in your brother is pure rat.

Dave had a weak pimp hand. First time the wifey started yapping about turning in Ted Dave should've
told her (a) none of your business, stay out of my family's business and (2) if I hear you went to
LE about Ted, there'll be 2 Kaczynski brothers doing time for killing someone.


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