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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:40 pm 
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Ron Perlman's take on a studio executive who said:
"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their houses"


Old school.

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More fake AI hysteria.


You will still be saying this as the computers are launching nukes all over the world in a few years.


They're not as smart as you believe, the technology isn't as advanced as you believe, and it has blind spots that toddlers don't have.

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Nas wrote:
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More fake AI hysteria.


You will still be saying this as the computers are launching nukes all over the world in a few years.


They're not as smart as you believe, the technology isn't as advanced as you believe, and it has blind spots that toddlers don't have.


But it’s cheaper, so fuck it, they’re going to use it, quality be damned.


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KDdidit wrote:
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conns7901 wrote:
Nas wrote:
More fake AI hysteria.


You will still be saying this as the computers are launching nukes all over the world in a few years.


They're not as smart as you believe, the technology isn't as advanced as you believe, and it has blind spots that toddlers don't have.


But it’s cheaper, so fuck it, they’re going to use it, quality be damned.


True. There will be some cool things that we'll see but it won't change the world any time soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Writer's strike
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So scared of Hollywood millionaires

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8dKhuNy/

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Perlman is hardly the brightest on a string of dumb actors.

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 Post subject: Re: Writer's strike
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I watched a lot of Netflix this weekend. Caught up on a lot of interesting movies.

99/100 of these movies/shows were absolute shit. Things that looked funny weren't. Documentaries that looked interesting weren't.

Pretty much everything sucked and was a big letdown. I think the only show on netflix I liked was Ozarks. and that's not even that good.

So what are they striking for? to keep making shit?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nsion.html

This is their face for workers rights??? :lol:


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Papa John's and Domino's are testing AI order takers; v transparent that TMFANR people answering their phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnPVybD9X8


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Is there a summary of what these people want before they’ll return to work?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Is there a summary of what these people want before they’ll return to work?
https://www.nytimes.com/article/actors-strike-why.html

Not really in depth, but a start. Streaming killed their income and cost jobs.

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Looks like polster (Tommy mult #5 just this week) beat me to it.

Honestly, that one is not mine!

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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Is there a summary of what these people want before they’ll return to work?
https://www.nytimes.com/article/actors-strike-why.html

Not really in depth, but a start. Streaming killed their income and cost jobs.

This kind of thing but real life?
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the public ALWAYS seems inclined to back the interests of the corporation, pointing out the little flaws of the striker, like crabs pulling each other down in a barrel.

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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
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Looks like polster (Tommy mult #5 just this week) beat me to it.

Honestly, that one is not mine!



I'm just glad you finanlly have food a way not to misplace all of your passwords. I'm assuming you just went with "She'sADish" and then add 1-83 to cover all of your multitude of mults.


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 Post subject: Re: Writer's strike
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the public ALWAYS seems inclined to back the interests of the corporation, pointing out the little flaws of the striker, like crabs pulling each other down in a barrel.

The fact is that in most union negotiations both sides end up being pretty unreasonable. That's kind of the point though. There are a lot of people that think you should support the union no matter what they want too.

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the public ALWAYS seems inclined to back the interests of the corporation, pointing out the little flaws of the striker, like crabs pulling each other down in a barrel.


We've been conditioned.

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 Post subject: Re: Writer's strike
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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.

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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.

But the people who wrote those horrible stories want more money.

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Writing had a nice run from around the mid-70's to to early 2010's. It was mostly shit before and after those dates. Shakespeare had a nice run. Holy Bible wasn't exactly a page turner.

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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.


Tom Cruise seems intent on killing himself in a movie set accident


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.

But the people who wrote those horrible stories want more money.


A lot of these studio movies, the executive office tells the writer what they want and to build a script around it

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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.


Tom Cruise seems intent on killing himself in a movie set accident


Yep! I appreciate the dedication to his craft and the pushing of the envelope. He has that it gene.

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and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.

But the people who wrote those horrible stories want more money.


A lot of these studio movies, the executive office tells the writer what they want and to build a script around it


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good dolphin wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
and I know the studio's aren't making the kind of money they were used to

Start by trimming the salaries of no talent executives who greenlight horrible stories papered over with expensive CGI that end up tanking. Tom Cruise is worth every penny he gets.

But the people who wrote those horrible stories want more money.


A lot of these studio movies, the executive office tells the writer what they want and to build a script around it

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Stole my comment. W_Z would know more, but apparently this is a real thing.

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Agree about studio execs and those under them being worthless.

I read that a lot of the underlings for execs are due to Hollywood nepotism. They don’t know anything about their roles and just are there because of their name. My source is tiktok but there are some good vids expressing this there.


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its very simple. they make shit products and people pay them for it. now they can make shit products with reduced cost, and people will pay them for it. if they dont need writers, why should they have them? socialism?

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The thousands of jobs streaming created are gone and not coming back. The studios lost too much money. The studios are using the strike to get out of their bad production deals. They were already cancelling shows and pulling shows from streaming to avoid residuals before the strike. The studios aren't making money they're losing billions.


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Music industry got disrupted first by Hotline/napsters/torrents et al and then the spotify model--music industry had to adjust in order to survive. Music industry no longer anywhere near the crazy profitable, hookers-and-blow-in-limousines-for-all industry it used to be.

Radio biz got disrupted....by ads. Too many fucking ads drove people away from over the air radio. It didn't matter when easily accessible alternatives were either nonexistent or hyper-niche, radio stations could abuse their listeners with 10+ minutes of dick-pill ads per 30 minutes of content. Once easily accessible alternatives to traditional radio landed in everyone's pocket via the smartphone, buh-bye legacy radio business model.

Newspaper business peaked in terms of revenue and profitability around 2005-2006--which many newspaper execs in the 2007-2013 time-frame used to hold onto those 2006 profit-loss statements as proof their business model could still work. They were wrong, see ya traditional dead-trees newspapers--your web presences were DOA: Digital newspapers got played by a hooker website that also hosted free classifieds.

So why would the movie-tv industry escape the same fate as every other legacy media industry.

It took longer for consumers to give up their cable subscriptions and stop going out to movies than to stop buying CDs/print newspapers/listening to the radio as a habit on their commute; but that was almost entirely due to the differential in experience between watching Sopranos or the latest Harry Potter/Star Wars film in a theater or on your cable-satellite fed TV in 2005 and trying to watch the same video content on a circa 2005 desktop/laptop or nonexistent at that time smart phone device (maybe Blackberry was around) fed by a splotchy pipe with video content being served up in a non-optimal way.

Since 2005, smart phones with high speed 4/5 G data access are in everyone's pocket. Desktops/laptops/tablets are better able to render high-res video. And maybe most important, the delivery of that high-res video content over a data connection has become non-splotchy thanks in part to improvements in hardware and the networks delivering that content but also by Netflix (and others followed this Netflix model) co-locating content servers at ISPs to reduce the distance between the content and the ultimate consumer of the content's device. Early netflix with their mass-mailed dvd's of otherwise network deliverable digital content was a prime example of the CompSci 101 80's observation:

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Only around 2010? 2011? 2013? did Tannenbaum's observation no longer hold true and over the network delivery and consumption of content could compete with and even surpass tapes/dvds or even Blu-rays--the video quality of streaming content now in 2023 competes with and even exceeds in quality our old bluray discs we have lying around the house--mostly because of better conversion/compression algorithms today vs when we bought those blurays but also for all of the improvements noted supra.


tl;dr: inevitable that TV-film would suffer the same fate as radio/music/print media


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I think AI would do a better job of whatever it is studio execs do, compared to the creative part (be it good or bad).


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What happened to the bootleg movie industry? I liked to go into the barbershop or local Chinese restaurant and haggle over the cost of illegal DVDs.

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