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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:01 am 
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It seems steep, but I guess you couldn’t have waited until the guy got to FA. It’s an obvious need and he’s a good player.

Same comment on giving Johnson money - gotta spend it somewhere, may as well do it on competent players. They’re far away from having a bad contract impact roster decisions, especially once they hit reset on the QB position.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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He's also a 4-3 DE. What if your new coach wants to run a 3-4, you are basically marrying a player to whatever coach you bring in.


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I'm assuming the Bears have an off the record deal already worked out to sign him to a new contract?

Otherwise, your giving up a top 40 pick for a player that could walk away. Also hurting your chance at staying close to the #1 pick, if he's good enough to help win a few games.

Of course, it's the Bears, so he probably will walk, and get them a few wins, and they lose their second round pick....


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He's also a 4-3 DE. What if your new coach wants to run a 3-4, you are basically marrying a player to whatever coach you bring in.

Maybe this is Poles tipping his hand on the coaching decision.

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He's also a 4-3 DE. What if your new coach wants to run a 3-4, you are basically marrying a player to whatever coach you bring in.


The Bears have a 4-3 roster. I don't think you are going to switch to 3-4 unless Poles gets fired. I don't see Poles losing his job. The Bears biggest issue on defense has clearly been pressuring the quarterback. It was embarrassing to watch Sunday night.

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He's also a 4-3 DE. What if your new coach wants to run a 3-4, you are basically marrying a player to whatever coach you bring in.

Maybe this is Poles tipping his hand on the coaching decision.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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I wish he'd show the restraint with draft picks that he does with free agent money.

27 and yet to produce a double digit sack season while playing on a loaded defensive line. Maybe he flourishes with less competition for sacks. He plays the run well.

A second seems stiff but we didn't get a star using our second on a dl in this draft

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So does this mean that the Bears are going to trade Johnson for a second rounder? LOL


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seems like an Adewale Ogunleye comp, where he is good, but we overrate his play

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So does this mean that the Bears are going to trade Johnson for a second rounder? LOL


Maybe to Philadelphia.

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Sweat has as many sacks this season as the Bears do.



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Caller Bob has been pissing and moaning about the Bears front 4 the past umpteen weeks. Poles goes out and improves the front 4 with a legit edge rusher, and Caller Bob is pissing and moaning about it.

Bob, relegate yourself to this thread from here on out; viewtopic.php?f=181&t=130389

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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He was the safer pick between him and Young. I think Young is a better player but he's almost never healthy

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He was the safer pick between him and Young. I think Young is a better player but he's almost never healthy


Supposedly Young's knee and hip are in awful shape.

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He was the safer pick between him and Young. I think Young is a better player but he's almost never healthy


Supposedly Young's knee and hip are in awful shape.


Like eyes and brains of a few posters around here.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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If you recall the last time the Bears traded a 2nd rounder for a young DLineman in season, he promptly died


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so give up the early second so we can get him in the building for half a season... make sure he's still comfortable playing for a loser franchise then offer him a giant bag of money in FA?

why didnt they just sign him as a FA. i dont get it, especially after last years second was wasted


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They have to sign him.

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Caller Bob wrote:
If you recall the last time the Bears traded a 2nd rounder for a young DLineman in season, he promptly died
Then lets hope Poles trades a second rounder for Caller Bob.

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If you recall the last time the Bears traded a 2nd rounder for a young DLineman in season, he promptly died

Nice one Bob. I had to google that shit.

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Who was the last great edge rusher the Bears drafted. ESPN asked the question and I can't think of one.

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Richard Dent?

Maybe Trace Armstrong, though I don't think of him as great

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Sweat is instantly the best defensive lineman on the team. It was embarrassing to watch the Bears DE's get bitch slapped around by the Chargers OT's and TE's, you have a guy that can rush the passer and is solid in the run game, #91 is purely a pass rush specialist, he is a liability against the run and that is the reason he is available every year.

Giving up a pick at the top of the second round is idiotic given the glaring needs on this roster, you have plenty of cap room next year and could have bought a similar or better guy and kept your draft capital. Seems that Poles must be feeling a bit of heat applied to his backside as this move makes no sense for a team that should be selling rather than buying.


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Sweat is instantly the best defensive lineman on the team. It was embarrassing to watch the Bears DE's get bitch slapped around by the Chargers OT's and TE's, you have a guy that can rush the passer and is solid in the run game, #91 is purely a pass rush specialist, he is a liability against the run and that is the reason he is available every year.

Giving up a pick at the top of the second round is idiotic given the glaring needs on this roster, you have plenty of cap room next year and could have bought a similar or better guy and kept your draft capital. Seems that Poles must be feeling a bit of heat applied to his backside as this move makes no sense for a team that should be selling rather than buying.

Armchair psychologist here…I think Poles lacks confidence in his ability to sign FAs and wanted a head start on negotiating with the guy.

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Clawmaster wrote:
Sweat is instantly the best defensive lineman on the team. It was embarrassing to watch the Bears DE's get bitch slapped around by the Chargers OT's and TE's, you have a guy that can rush the passer and is solid in the run game, #91 is purely a pass rush specialist, he is a liability against the run and that is the reason he is available every year.

Giving up a pick at the top of the second round is idiotic given the glaring needs on this roster, you have plenty of cap room next year and could have bought a similar or better guy and kept your draft capital. Seems that Poles must be feeling a bit of heat applied to his backside as this move makes no sense for a team that should be selling rather than buying.


#91 doesn't really rush the passer either


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Chase Young cost a whole 2 rounds of the draft less, was 3 years younger, overall just better, and currently having the best season of his career


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so is jaylon johnson being traded or not? he should fetch more than sweat right?


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Chase Young cost a whole 2 rounds of the draft less, was 3 years younger, overall just better, and currently having the best season of his career

Low effort, oft injured.

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Chase Young cost a whole 2 rounds of the draft less, was 3 years younger, overall just better, and currently having the best season of his career


I'm with you on this. I would have preferred to gamble a 3rd on a broken Chase Young.

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Sweat was a topb10 DE last year. I imagine he's been better this year.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022 ... r-rankings

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