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That's the firm that got $787M in the Fox News-Dominion case. July's agreed divorces/public defender experience should serve her well against them.

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If the case goes to court Deadspin can call Brick as a witness

It's going to be the "blackface" part of it that gets them to lose in court.

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I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

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That's the firm that got $787M in the Fox News-Dominion case.


I think the only reason Fox settled that case is because they wanted to prevent a lot of embarrassing stuff from coming out via discovery. Some of it came out anyway. There were obviously issues with the Dominion machines.

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That's the firm that got $787M in the Fox News-Dominion case.


I think the only reason Fox settled that case is because they wanted to prevent a lot of embarrassing stuff from coming out via discovery. Some of it came out anyway. There were obviously issues with the Dominion machines.

Then the firm did their job. Point being this isn't some goof who hung a shingle out of law school. Deadspin is really in for it here.

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I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

As I said at the start, the blackface portion was libel. I mean, maybe a Deadspin lawyer can be like "Well, it was black paint, and it was on the face, and my client was simply describing the color" but I believe that one guy also mentioned "two groups" or something like that.

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I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."

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I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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badrogue17 wrote:
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I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

This is a good old fashioned petard hoisting.

I think…actually I have no idea. But it’s a fun story and let’s just say it’s libel to keep the ball rolling.

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couldn't Julie be a lawyer for Deadspin if pressed into action ?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel. If he wrote dressing that way can be viewed by Black people and Native American that you hate them that could be construed as opinion.

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Franky T wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel. If he wrote dressing that way can be viewed by Black people and Native American that you hate them that could be construed as opinion.


I'm sure that's the position his attorneys will take.

But while I don't necessarily agree that wearing blackface is a way to hate black people, I think it's fair to have the opinion that it is.

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couldn't Julie be a lawyer for Deadspin if pressed into action ?


way too contested. this would exhaust her too much

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Franky T wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel.



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Would be hilarious if this is the thing that silences Julie finally.

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Seacrest wrote:
Franky T wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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badrogue17 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think they can or should win a lawsuit. Deadspin can publish whatever idiotic opinions they want and that's the way it should be.

Im pretty sure this is the line thats going to be a problem. obviously it’s going to be up to the lawyers to sort it out but writing something like this as a statement of fact no gouda. Unless of course Phillips has proof that the 10 yr old does in fact hate Indians and blacks

In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."



That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel.



THIS

The truth doesn't matter. I feel this way, so I'll state it as a fact.


Except that isn't really what he said. If the case hinges on whether blackface is "hate" and whether that's what the kid was wearing, I'm gonna say it's a loser. We'll see if the case settles or if it goes to trial.

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Would be hilarious if this is the thing that silences Julie finally.

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It takes a lot to disrespect two groups of people at once. But on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time.


This is what the family is going to hang their hat on. Absent this paragraph the entire post was complaining about the NFL. Why include the paragraph about the [unnamed] kid at all?

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This kid hated 2 groups. If we're going to up our speed and production, we need to be hating multiple groups at once. Today we train all day long.

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This kid hated 2 groups. If we're going to up our speed and production, we need to be hating multiple groups at once. Today we train all day long.


:lol: :lol:

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This is what the family is going to hang their hat on. Absent this paragraph the entire post was complaining about the NFL. Why include the paragraph about the [unnamed] kid at all?


Read some of his other articles.

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It takes a lot to disrespect two groups of people at once. But on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time.


This is what the family is going to hang their hat on. Absent this paragraph the entire post was complaining about the NFL. Why include the paragraph about the [unnamed] kid at all?

:lol:

Because a liberal can't type more than 2-3 paragraphs tops without calling someone racist. Exhibit A, LTG

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That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel.



THIS

The truth doesn't matter. I feel this way, so I'll state it as a fact.


Except that isn't really what he said. If the case hinges on whether blackface is "hate" and whether that's what the kid was wearing, I'm gonna say it's a loser. We'll see if the case settles or if it goes to trial.

The case doesn't hinge on whether blackface is hate. The case is about him saying the kid hates Black people and Native Americans. The "why" he thinks that doesn't matter. Again, if he wrote "in my opinion wearing black and/or red face is a sign of hate" that's his opinion and not actionable. But that's not what he wrote. "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time." i.e. the kid hats Black people and Native Americans.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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It takes a lot to disrespect two groups of people at once. But on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time.


This is what the family is going to hang their hat on. Absent this paragraph the entire post was complaining about the NFL. Why include the paragraph about the [unnamed] kid at all?

:lol:

Because a liberal can't type more than 2-3 paragraphs tops without calling someone racist. Exhibit A, LTG

https://twitter.com/carronJphillips
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I guess you made him protect them.

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That's libel.


Is it though? It seems to me it's just an opinion.

He said that kid hates Black people and Native Americans which is a statement of fact and libel.



THIS

The truth doesn't matter. I feel this way, so I'll state it as a fact.


Except that isn't really what he said. If the case hinges on whether blackface is "hate" and whether that's what the kid was wearing, I'm gonna say it's a loser. We'll see if the case settles or if it goes to trial.

The case doesn't hinge on whether blackface is hate. The case is about him saying the kid hates Black people and Native Americans. The "why" he thinks that doesn't matter. Again, if he wrote "in my opinion wearing black and/or red face is a sign of hate" that's his opinion and not actionable. But that's not what he wrote. "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time." i.e. the kid hats Black people and Native Americans.


He didn't exactly say that though. He said the kid "found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time." Is painting half one's face red and the other half black a way to do that? I don't know, but I think in today's climate it's fair to believe it could be.

If wearing blackface isn't "hate" why is it so taboo? So then he has to argue that he wasn't wearing blackface. I don't think he was, by the way, but I think Phillips is entitled to the opinion that he was.

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, but I think Phillips is entitled to the opinion that he was.


He is. His 1st amendment rights aren't being violated.


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