I guess he is actually tied for 8th with Cousins but Cousins was listed first.

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Sounds like a top 10 QB either way.

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I think he will be top 10 next year and the Packers passing offense will be top 5. The defense, on the other hand...

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Great....I think most of us agree he'll be top 10. The debate is, he's going to get paid like top 5. I personally hope he breaks the entire QB compensation record.

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There will be sticker shock when his extension is announced. I'm fine with whatever the deal is. He's earned it.

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Every starting QB going into their 2nd contract gets paid more than comparable players from previous years. That’s just the way it goes. I’m happy with his progression and have no issue with the fact that he will be highly paid.

I’d also note that I’m hoping he does become a top 5 guy. I just don’t see it next season when the guys already there are still in their prime.

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The top 5/top 10 thing is not interesting to me.

Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Lamar
Burrow
Stroud

That's six legit awesome QBs. Also have guys like Love, Hurts, Dak, Trevor, Tua, Brock. There's like 12-14 very good QBs in the NFL right now and then it falls off a cliff. We have one of the very good ones, and maybe one of the legit awesome ones. Pretty happy with that range of outcomes.

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Those teams, unless the player is a future HOF type player, struggle to overcome it. It's even a trend on teams that win the Super Bowl and then give the big contract out. They'll pay Love and then end up like teams like the Vikings and Seahawks after Wilson's extension. The big contract just requires so much production to make your team be a threat.

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Add in Baker Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, and Jared Goff and an argument can easily be made that Love is the 15th best QB in the league. You could even throw in Matt Stafford who probably isn't that good but is outperforming Love in almost every category besides Love having a slight lead on overall touchdowns.

Yet don't call Jordan Love average!

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Love is better than all the guys you just mentioned, except Baker who hes tied for 6th with, in EPA/play. He's running a more efficient offense, with worse weapons around him. We've discussed this. There's no argument to be made that Love was outside the top 10 QBs this year.

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He's not better than Cousins or Goff. Cousins this year was better at every single thing than Love. Cousins got hurt though. Goff is playing better than him on a winning team.

It's funny how you cling to something like EPA/play and ignore anything else and if that fails you go in once again to how much everyone around Love actually is.

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Goff isn't playing better than Love this year, that's a silly idea. And I'm not clinging to EPA, I've watched every Packers game this year, I'm using EPA to point out you consistently being wrong about Love being average.

But we will have a wager on this next year. I'm not sure how productive it is to just keep going back and forth of you saying hes average and me pointing out thats wrong.

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This is a copout. Stroud is putting up huge numbers with the worst WR's in football. Bears fans have been playing the "he has no weapons" game for decades.

Nico Collins and Tank Dell looked pretty good. But yeah Stroud is legit awesome, I'm pretty sure he's better than Love and will continue to be. Baker Mayfield is not

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Goff has:
The same touchdowns, more yards, more y/a, less interceptions, less int%, a higher qb rating, an slightly lower QBR, and his team has a better record and it's not like you can make a case of "Well, he's on the Lions" like that somehow is an advantage.

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You don't think the Lions have more talent on offense than Green Bay does? That seems wildly disrespectful to Amon-Ra, LaPorta, and Gibbs.

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With how you downplay the talent in Green Bay being young I find it hard to believe you are making an argument including two rookies as a major advantage for Goff.

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I'm not downplaying Green Bay's talent. I'm looking at each team objectively. I think Amon-Ra is a lot better than any WR Green Bay has. I think LaPorta is a better TE than any TE GB has. I think Gibbs is a better RB than any RB GB has.

Which of those 3 things do you disagree with?

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For the record, my top 10 comment is with regard to what I would project for next season (ie - when he get's paid). And yes, I expect him to be better than the guys you've just listed next season and going forward. With regard to this season, he has played at a top 10 level for 5 of the last 6 games despite missing significant weapons in the receiving core. Assuming better health next season his numbers should be more consistent and improved.

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It's still 2 rookies which is what you love to talk about in GB.

Amon-Ra is better than what GB has. I don't know if the others are that much better but they have been healthier.

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I dont care that they are rookies. If Jayden Reed was having a Jamar Chase rookie season I wouldn't be making this point. Which RB and TE on GB is better than Gibbs and LaPorta? The obvious answer is none.

It's ok to just agree with the obvious point that the Lions have more offensive talent around Goff than the Packers do around Love this season.

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You constantly bring up that Love is playing on offense with rookies.

Well, I can't argue that those two aren't more productive but the QB has a lot to do with that too.

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I mention rookies as a catch all term for Reed, Wicks, Kraft, Musgrave. I like those guys, I think all are solid with potential to be very good. But I will keep pointing out that they are not as good as guys like Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Amon-Ra, AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua. This is worth noting when you try to say all those guys QBs are better than Love.

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I guess it's impossible to judge Jordan Love since he has to overcome being surrounded by so little talent. It's a shame that the Packers are doing as good of a job as the Bears at helping their QB.

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This is a bizarre response. You can just reply to what I'm actually saying instead of what you want me to say. I think the Packers rookies are solid with potential to be very good. You want me to say they either suck or are as good as All Pro guys. That is weird.

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Hell of a drive by Goff, kudos

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I think I’m going to play on the pack kind of heavy tonight

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Congrats

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Complete ass whoopin and yes I look forward to much LOVE moving forward.

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