I think Jim Finks would like a word about the greatest GM in Chicago Bears history

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah that is crazy talk to say that he is the most competent in history.

Most competent in the last 10 years maybe. At least we can hope for that.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Even Jerry Angelo built a team that won back-to-back divisions, something we haven't even been able to conceive of since.

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Nm, watched it back and it was spiegs saying Poles was the most competent in his lifetime. Still seems insane to me but that insanity was not LoHo’s.

Here’s the full tranny:

Gets most interesting toward the 18 min mark.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHXCCPLD ... lvbg%3D%3D

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Angelo is clearly the best in my mind.

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The adulation for Poles is nuts, and at best premature. He’s accomplished nothing and is fortunate the Panthers fell on their face to gift him another #1.

“Caller Mike” this morning (around 7:30) totally eviscerated Poles and Warren. It was a great call.

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Angelo is why I said in the last 10 years. his time ended in what 2012? Finks and Angelo are at the top of the list. If Poles can be in the same sentence as them we will be doing really well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I am not adulating him at all. Just hopeful that the appearance of being competent proves correct. But the jury is still a long ways off from deciding.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Poles' trade with the Panthers is one of the best hauls in history. He is 1-2 on his trades giving up second round picks. His first round draft pick from 2023 looks like a long term starter.

It is way too early, but so far so good.

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Spiegel and Parkins want to crown Fields as qb1 after he rushed for 150 yards and now one of them wants to crown Poles as best GM ever following two losing seasons and after donating a second round draft pick to the Steelers. How do these guys have jobs

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

It was a good trade but looks better because the Panthers didn’t take CJ Stroud.

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What have they said to proclaim him as the best GM? I must have missed this. Parkins has been very critical of this move of retaining Flus. That is a long way from crowning Poles as anything. Meatpants is more in the place of Larry and hopeful that Poles knows what he is doing. But I have not heard them say anything about Poles being the best GM

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I’m with Caller Mike….I’d rather have CJ Stroud (plus whatever you’d get for Fields) than the “haul” Poles got.

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I'm basing that on what Antioch said above bc I don't want to do my own research of the source material.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

No doubt but again it's revisionism to say Poles should have taken Stroud. If there was a consensus no 1 it leaned more toward young than Stroud.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Agreed…I’m giving him more time, but if he keeps Fields that time goes down to one year. No playoffs next year, he has to be fired.

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Exactly. Poles grabs another OSU QB, and they run him out of town.

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I think it's inexcusable to double town on a clearly below average QB with limited upside. So my leash for him is shorter than yours.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Not following you there. If he flopped, yes. But he was 10-7 and led a team that was just as depleted as the Bears to the playoffs. It’s Poles’ job to find these QBs, not just take the #1 consensus pick that any of us dopes could do. Mahomes wasn’t a consensus #1.

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This is key. Holmes and Spiegel are in the correct position of, "it is what it is" while Bernstein is howling at the moon. I understand the emotion, but it's wasted energy.

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Agreed with this. Poles evaluation not determining the quality of Stroud is concerning and would be highlighted if we didn't have #1 this year.

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Uh oh, Larry snapped at Dan just now. Said "last time I checked this was the Bernstein AND HOLMES SHOW" LOL

Bernstein needs to hit him with a:

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Or pat him on the head and throw a:

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I would like some member of the media to write an article comparing the guys the Bears actually drafted to the best guy that was available on Mel Kiper's board at the time they drafted, and see which group of players was better.

No way to predict the what if's. But here are the things to consider.

Young was probably getting taken. He was consensus. But assume they took Stroud. No DJ Moore. No #1 draft pick right tackle. Fields is still the starter unless traded, so Stroud probably would sit. Getsy still coaching the offense.

This board would have howled that "name one good OSU QB".

It is doubtful Stroud, even if drafted by the Bears, goes 10-7 as a starter.

Now, assess the current situation you get Stroud or:
-DJ Moore
-Darnell Wright
-The haul from trading Fields, maybe a 2nd or more
-This year's number pick or the haul from trading out of that
-2nd round pick next year.

Stroud will have to have some career to exceed that haul. You have four or five quality NFL starters with a chance at a franchise QB in this years draft. Do you like what Poles did in that context?

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Angelo drafted and built monster defensive units.
Angelo had zero clue on how to draft offensive talent and how to hire people that knew how to draft Offensive talent.
Angelo really wanted to hire Nick Saban as head coach, followed by Russ Grimm second. Lovie Smith was third. Lovie ended being a really good NFL Head Coach.
Angelo had the balls to address the media on a somewhat regular basis.

Mark Hatley wasn't a GM by title but was in practice. Similar to Angelo....Hatley drafted some really good players and made some mistakes. I'm ok with Ryan Poles so far, but he's got ways to go and a needs to win a few divisions before we start throwing bouquets at his feet.

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Angelo and Lovie built the best defense of the 2000s by building around Urlacher who they inherited. A close second to the best of those defenses is the Pace constructed defense of 2018.

Emery inherited Cutler and Forte then added Marshall, Bennett and Jeffery to the mix. That core is probably the city's best offensive core ever.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

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I’m not saying it was horrible, but a couple of notes:
1. He would have received something for trading down to take Stroud #2 instead of #1 (assuming he could pull it off with Houston). Per the Jimmy Johnson point system, that would be 400 points or a mid 2nd.
2. He might have surmised Carolina wouldn’t be good, but it’s really luck that they were the worst and produced another 1/1.
3. He already had Fields, so the difference is whether his value might have increased from last year. I’m not sure it has.

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