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I’m still not sure Jones is the guy at LT or if they just like him because they drafted him and think he was a good value pick.

I wonder if he could be bumped inside to make room for a blue chipper with the 9th pick.


I was thinking the same thing.

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I’m still not sure Jones is the guy at LT or if they just like him because they drafted him and think he was a good value pick.

I wonder if he could be bumped inside to make room for a blue chipper with the 9th pick.


I was thinking the same thing.


Moving Jones to RT and moving Wright inside is more likely, Wright struggles with outside speed, read quite a few scouting reports talking about how he has All Pro potential at guard. If you draft one of the top LT prospects you plug that kid in at LT, have Jones at RT, Jenkins and Wright at guard, you of course need a center, but that gives you solid guys in the middle of your line, and would be a tremendous upgrade over Whitehair and Patrick.

You saw this year why Vrabel disliked Nate Davis, often injured and often overpowered at the point of attack.


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Moving wright to guard brings us back to why didn’t they just draft skoronski

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Moving Wright to guard brings us closer to the conclusion that Poles has difficulty evaluating offensive talent.

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Didn't the bears draft Jenkins as a tackle then converted him to a guard? Maybe they should just draft a full back at #9 and hope he ends up as a star LT.

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Move Fields to LT. He might be great there since he apparently thinks QBs need a half hour before they throw the ball.

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I don't see any need in moving Wright from RT. He has showed flashes of being a really good RT. If you want a LT at 9 then let him compete with Jones for the spot and if he beats him out then you have Jones as your swing tackle.

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Move Fields to LT. He might be great there since he apparently thinks QBs need a half hour before they throw the ball.


Brady counts to two Mississippi and the ball is out. Fields travels to Mississippi..

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I don't see any need in moving Wright from RT. He has showed flashes of being a really good RT. If you want a LT at 9 then let him compete with Jones for the spot and if he beats him out then you have Jones as your swing tackle.

At 9 you better not be drafting anyone competing for a starting spot.

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I don't see any need in moving Wright from RT. He has showed flashes of being a really good RT. If you want a LT at 9 then let him compete with Jones for the spot and if he beats him out then you have Jones as your swing tackle.

At 9 you better not be drafting anyone competing for a starting spot.

Yeah probably, but I dont think you just hand a rookie the LT spot from day 1. But I would assume he takes over the spot pretty quickly.

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Move Fields to LT. He might be great there since he apparently thinks QBs need a half hour before they throw the ball.


Brady counts to two Mississippi and the ball is out. Fields travels to Mississippi..


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I don't see any need in moving Wright from RT. He has showed flashes of being a really good RT. If you want a LT at 9 then let him compete with Jones for the spot and if he beats him out then you have Jones as your swing tackle.

At 9 you better not be drafting anyone competing for a starting spot.


Exactly, but I also don't think you draft for need at that spot. If their evaluation is the same as Brugler, that there are 8 blue chip talents in the draft, and one of those falls to you, take the talent and figure things out later.

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Kiper is saying Bears can get a 1st round pick for Fields ...ok

Aside from his talent issues you have to sign him right away without having ever seen him on the field for his new team.


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Kiper is saying Bears can get a 1st round pick for Fields ...ok

Aside from his talent issues you have to sign him right away without having ever seen him on the field for his new team.


No you don't. All you have to do is invoke the fifth year option. That reserves him for the next two years. If you like him after those two years, you can then either sign him or franchise him.

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If you believe enough in him to give up a 1, you are signing him to an extension .


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I don't see any need in moving Wright from RT. He has showed flashes of being a really good RT. If you want a LT at 9 then let him compete with Jones for the spot and if he beats him out then you have Jones as your swing tackle.

At 9 you better not be drafting anyone competing for a starting spot.


Exactly, but I also don't think you draft for need at that spot. If their evaluation is the same as Brugler, that there are 8 blue chip talents in the draft, and one of those falls to you, take the talent and figure things out later.


If you draft a franchise level LT at #9 he has the job day one, then it comes about getting your best 5 lineman on the field, Wright is OK at RT, but potentially an All Pro at G, you flip Jones to RT where he is going up against a little bigger guys and can use his arm length and feet to his advantage, you are then a center away from having a very solid interior.

When you watch Wright play you see a guy that is a mauler in the run game, but struggles against outside speed, totally hypothetical, but you shore up your o line for the next several years with guys on rookie deals. I like Van Pran at C, but he's likely gone late 2nd or early 3rd, so not sure he's there when they pick in the 3rd.


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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


Yeah. Then you get 7-10 and an offense that scores 19 per game.

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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


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billypootons wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


Yeah. Then you get 7-10 and an offense that scores 19 per game.


If they do not go QB it makes perfect sense to turn the #1 pick into resources, you turned the #1 pick last year into several starting players, but you run the risk of being the team that passed up on the #1 QB two years in a row.

The first trade is reasonable but want a 2nd this year instead of 3rd/5th, that way you still draft MHJ and likely a starting lineman in at the top of the 2nd.

The second trade does not make as much sense, would again want a second this year and not mid round picks in return.

Poles should be able to get New England and Washington into a bidding war if they both love Caleb Williams, you take the best package and move down no further than #3, you even could move down to #2, pick up a few picks from Washington, and then get New England to cough up something to make sure they can still get the second best QB, you could pick up 3-4 early round picks by moving down to take the guy you really wanted in MHJ.

Someone is going to fall in love with a QB at #9, and would not be against moving down a bit, but you need to get MHJ if you are not going QB, he instantly adds a much-needed playmaker to an offense that is devoid of talent.

It would be kicking the can on QB to next year, you would have 3 first round picks next year, but Poles needs the team to win early next year, a slow start after sticking with Eberflus and Fields might just get him fired.


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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


I'm not moving off of #1, simple as that.

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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


I'm not moving off of #1, simple as that.

That is the right move. Select Williams and hope Nas isn't correct on a QB for the 1st time in his life.

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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


I'm not moving off of #1, simple as that.

That is the right move. Select Williams and hope Nas isn't correct on a QB for the 1st time in his life.


Nas liked Rex Grossman, Mitch Trubisk.y, and Tyson Bagent. Zippy the Pinhead: Who ya crappin?

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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


Yeah. Then you get 7-10 and an offense that scores 19 per game.


If they do not go QB it makes perfect sense to turn the #1 pick into resources, you turned the #1 pick last year into several starting players, but you run the risk of being the team that passed up on the #1 QB two years in a row.

The first trade is reasonable but want a 2nd this year instead of 3rd/5th, that way you still draft MHJ and likely a starting lineman in at the top of the 2nd.

The second trade does not make as much sense, would again want a second this year and not mid round picks in return.

Poles should be able to get New England and Washington into a bidding war if they both love Caleb Williams, you take the best package and move down no further than #3, you even could move down to #2, pick up a few picks from Washington, and then get New England to cough up something to make sure they can still get the second best QB, you could pick up 3-4 early round picks by moving down to take the guy you really wanted in MHJ.

Someone is going to fall in love with a QB at #9, and would not be against moving down a bit, but you need to get MHJ if you are not going QB, he instantly adds a much-needed playmaker to an offense that is devoid of talent.

It would be kicking the can on QB to next year, you would have 3 first round picks next year, but Poles needs the team to win early next year, a slow start after sticking with Eberflus and Fields might just get him fired.


The driver of any good/potent offense is the QB. Cincy has several high level playmakers and they missed the playoffs when Burrow went down. You need to get QB right to win.

Top teams and their QB's QBR ranking

1 Ravens (4)
2 49ers (1)
3 Cowboys (2)
4 Lions (11)
5 Bills (3)
6 Browns (N/A)
7 Chiefs (8)
8 Eagles (12)
9 Dolphins (10)
10 Houston (15)

60% of the top ten teams has QBs with QBRs in the top ten league wide. Of the QBs ranked 1-5 in QBR, 4/5 went to the playoffs.


Here's the bottom ten teams and their QB's QBR ranking.

1 Carolina (29)
2 Washington (24)
3 NE (28)
4 Arizona (multiple QBs, 22 and 20)
5 Chargers (5)
6 NYG (N/A)
7 Tennessee (30)
8 Atlanta (26)
9 Chicago (23)
10 NYJ (31)

Notice a trend? 9/10 of these teams were led by QBs with poor QBRs. If you add MJH or whomever to the mix, Fields and his bottom tier QB performance will again land the team where they're at currently. You cannot avoid these data points - bad QB play will wipe out any talent upgrades you make on the line and at skill positions.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


I'm not moving off of #1, simple as that.

That is the right move. Select Williams and hope Nas isn't correct on a QB for the 1st time in his life.


Nas liked Rex Grossman, Mitch Trubisk.y, and Tyson Bagent. Zippy the Pinhead: Who ya crappin?

Huh? I’m saying the Bears should take Caleb and hope Nas is wrong (as usual) about Maye.

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Clawmaster wrote:
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billypootons wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-trade-down-twice-latest-194850809.html

this mock has the bear trading down twice. the net is bears give up pick #1 get #8, #68, #74, #139, #145, two 2025 1sts, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

the return from each trade looked reasonable based on last year's trades. thats a lot of draft capital.


Yeah. Then you get 7-10 and an offense that scores 19 per game.


If they do not go QB it makes perfect sense to turn the #1 pick into resources, you turned the #1 pick last year into several starting players, but you run the risk of being the team that passed up on the #1 QB two years in a row.

The first trade is reasonable but want a 2nd this year instead of 3rd/5th, that way you still draft MHJ and likely a starting lineman in at the top of the 2nd.

The second trade does not make as much sense, would again want a second this year and not mid round picks in return.

Poles should be able to get New England and Washington into a bidding war if they both love Caleb Williams, you take the best package and move down no further than #3, you even could move down to #2, pick up a few picks from Washington, and then get New England to cough up something to make sure they can still get the second best QB, you could pick up 3-4 early round picks by moving down to take the guy you really wanted in MHJ.

Someone is going to fall in love with a QB at #9, and would not be against moving down a bit, but you need to get MHJ if you are not going QB, he instantly adds a much-needed playmaker to an offense that is devoid of talent.

It would be kicking the can on QB to next year, you would have 3 first round picks next year, but Poles needs the team to win early next year, a slow start after sticking with Eberflus and Fields might just get him fired.


The driver of any good/potent offense is the QB. Cincy has several high level playmakers and they missed the playoffs when Burrow went down. You need to get QB right to win.

Top teams and their QB's QBR ranking

1 Ravens (4)
2 49ers (1)
3 Cowboys (2)
4 Lions (11)
5 Bills (3)
6 Browns (N/A)
7 Chiefs (8)
8 Eagles (12)
9 Dolphins (10)
10 Houston (15)

60% of the top ten teams has QBs with QBRs in the top ten league wide. Of the QBs ranked 1-5 in QBR, 4/5 went to the playoffs.


Here's the bottom ten teams and their QB's QBR ranking.

1 Carolina (29)
2 Washington (24)
3 NE (28)
4 Arizona (multiple QBs, 22 and 20)
5 Chargers (5)
6 NYG (N/A)
7 Tennessee (30)
8 Atlanta (26)
9 Chicago (23)
10 NYJ (31)

Notice a trend? 9/10 of these teams were led by QBs with poor QBRs. If you add MJH or whomever to the mix, Fields and his bottom tier QB performance will again land the team where they're at currently. You cannot avoid these data points - bad QB play will wipe out any talent upgrades you make on the line and at skill positions.



6/8 division winners were led by QBs with the best QBR in that division. In the two cases were the better ranked QB did not win the division, the second best QB (per QBR) won that division.

Again the path to winning is to get QB right. 75% of division winners had the best QBR in that division. 100% of division winners had QBs that finished in the top 2 of QBR rankings for that division.

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It's definitely newsworthy, but is it legitimate interest in Kingsbury, finding out more about Caleb or both? If they did hire him, that would seem to be a large endorsement of Caleb. If they don't hire him, some would take that as a positive for Fields.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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The Quarterbacks next year look awful. If I'm trading #1 overall I want four future 1st rounders. That's the price Poles should set.


I'm not moving off of #1, simple as that.

That is the right move. Select Williams and hope Nas isn't correct on a QB for the 1st time in his life.


Nas liked Rex Grossman, Mitch Trubisk.y, and Tyson Bagent. Zippy the Pinhead: Who ya crappin?

Huh? I’m saying the Bears should take Caleb and hope Nas is wrong (as usual) about Maye.


That's not what you said the first time around, Zip: "and hope Nas isn't correct [ed.note: is incorrect] on a QB for the 1st time in his life."

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