Have heard a few of the national pods, and the consensus is that Atlanta is the most likely spot, but they also point out that the fact that his low trade value indicates he is not thought of as a starting QB by a vast majority of the league.

We'll see what the final deal is, but I am expecting it to be a 2nd and 4th.

I just don't see any alternative options, other than K.Cousins, to pursue from the veteran side. If you believe Russell, Flacco are an answer, that' s more of a life boat to get you into the season and you would need to draft a QB high as well. Cousins is older and coming off an ACL - there's no guarantee he comes back at the same level and he's going to cost a lot of $$$.

Some people still think Fields is going to be a star. Even if he's not a star, he's currently probably top 15-20 with more upside potential. Las Vegas, Atlanta, Denver, Washington, NE, maybe Minnesota, probably missing a team....all need a QB. Only one of these teams is getting Cousins and while a few will draft a QB high, it's basically a choice between a mid-range, young QB with upside vs. unproven draft options that will likely take time to develop, if they do at all. How much time does any team get these days to get that position solidified?

I think Fields is a good option for 2-3 teams if your goal is to win right now and not hope to compete in the next year or two.

Most people already expect the Bears to draft Williams. That doesn't mean you get Fields at a bargain. Teams need QB's. I don't think it's going to work out if you think you're getting Fields for a 4th round pick.

Why would Fields be a win-now option when he's never won and is actually the worst starting QB in the fourth quarter, which is where you need the QB to be on point to...win games?

Sorry but your point is astonishingly incoherent given the statistics that paint Fields as again not an average QB in the fourth, but indeed the worst QB in the league in the fourth. This has been cited everywhere except on 670 shows - do you really need another link?

The same stats place Fields in the low 20s amongst QBs in rankings, not 15-20 as you said.

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That's the issue though for New England? What are they going to figure out in free agency/trade at the QB spot if it's not Fields or Cousins? Giving Russell a 1 year deal isn't going to inspire anyone. Jimmy G? He's washed up. There are limited options for a team in free agency/trade.

New England may not be trying to win next year so Cousins is probably not ending up there. You can either trade for Fields/draft Harrison, take a young QB this year or wait until next year and survive with a crusty veteran. Not many good options here for NE, but they probably do need to reset that offense and just worry about adding any kind of talent so they may have a small window to not address QB in Round 1.

Year 1 - rookie, he struggled w/Nagy
Year 2 - the Bears were resetting the roster, actively happy to pick higher.
Year 3 - he didn't finish games well, but played fairly well in the 2nd half of the season.

I'm not suggesting Fields is going to be a superstar. I think he's 15-20 right now with upside. I would love to see which QB's you're ranking ahead of him once you're in that 15-20 range.

Either way, name me another young veteran that has perceived upside (i.e. the reason he stinks in the 4th quarter is Getsy, etc. and he'll be better with competent coaching / system designed for him) on the current market. I don't think you can.

If you want to go with a draft pick, that's also fine. I'm not suggesting you can't draft a QB and do better than Fields, but it's a crap shoot.

I'm not arbitrarily saying Fields is ranked in the low 20s, like you are arbitrarily saying he's "top 15-20," I'm saying actual statistical data indicates his performance in 2023 places him in the low 20s at the QB position, near the likes of Dobbs, Minshew, Pickett, and Tyrod Taylor. Again that's not just an opinion, that's data.

I don't care about 2021 and 2022. We're talking about a guy who cannot statistically separate himself from journeyman QBs and career backups in year three. The only "upside" he has, as you say, is that since he's 24 some shmuck will think he's young enough to mold into a useful QB. I love how you say his putrid fourth-quarter performance is on Getsy. When he carved up Atlanta near the end of the season in the fourth quarter does that mean we should also credit Getsy for that stellar performance?

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Fields didn't play well in the 2nd half of the season. I really wish people would stop telling that lie.

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Fields' 2023 passer rating by game plotted against his average for the season.

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Is that your chart? Would you be able to do his game by game QBR vs the QBRs of Minshew and Jackson?

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Hopefully I got everyone lined up correctly with the correct week numbers. Gaps are weeks in which a particular guy did not play.

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Thanks, dude. You're one guy whose moniker here definitely doesn't match your posts.

So even with the supposed stellar performances to close out the year for Fields, he still didn't outperform a career backup in Minshew. The amount of undeserved hype Fields gets is insane.

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Who should Atlanta start at QB next season? Who should Denver start at QB next season?

Fields is better than most of the available options and did show progress down the stretch. If you're comparing him to an elite QB, you're going to complain about his performance. I have Fields at 15-20 with upside, you're looking at a "data" ranking and have him at 22. It's not a big difference in our overall view, but would you rather have Joe Flacco? Russ Wilson? Jimmy G? Kirk Cousins? Which rookies?

Be specific.

He played well vs. Detroit, Atlanta and Arizona, struggled vs. Cleveland/GB. That's not horrible. I know you're going to say he missed a TD vs. Arizona or didn't finish a game. I don't disagree. Nobody is saying he's elite, but it's idiotic to say he's not progressing.

You keep mentioning "progress" but have no evidence to back it up. You presumably just saw a line chart in this very thread comparing the per game QBRs of Jackson, Minshew and Fields, with Fields being the clear third, yet still want to blindly insist there's "upside" and "progress." There's a huge difference in our overall view because I'm concluding things based on data and you are just making up things out of thin air.

As for what those teams should do, all would be better served by either drafting a rookie to develop/start this year or acquiring possibly available QBs who've demonstrated their value through actual statistical performance and not YouTube highlights, such as Browning.

Acquiring Fields is a path to scoring 17-20 points per game and multple third and long situations due to him taking 3.38 sacks per game. Give me a rookie over that crap.

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Who said he hasn't progressed as a passer? It's still below average, even with a great defense giving him good field position.

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Again, no evidence. He had a higher QBR last year than this year. How does statistical regression come off to you as "progress"? It's like you write talking points for the Bernstein and Holmes Show in your free time.

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Here you go, BD. Find me the "progress" here:

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you trade down a couple times and surround fields with even more playmakers and he'll likely win us regular season games.... but i'd prefer a QB who can be elite and excel in the playoffs. it seems like fields' deficiencies in the passing game will prevent him from being a SB winning qb. trade and move on to a rookie who may be that guy

I'm not sticking up for Fields as much as I am just saying he's not horrible and one of the better options for teams this off-season.

Do you think there will be a legitimate market for Justin Fields?

What are the Falcons going to do at QB? What about the Broncos? Raiders? Vikings? All of these teams are trying to win games next season, not go into a rebuilid. What is their best option?

Of course, he needs to improve as a passer. I think he's below average. However, you can't remove his ability to make plays with his legs. That's part of his game. His passing game has improved, but it needs to improve to get to a point where he can get crack the top 15.

I answered that, dude.



Again, you're not listening to your own self - you realize the teams want to/need to win next year, yet you want them to acquire a QB who is the league's worst in the 4thQ, and someone who's never won at the NFL level. The best counter-argument to your Fields' thesis is your own premise.

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Yes, drafting/starting the 4th-6th ranked rookie QB or possible acquiring an available QB.

That's not an answer.

Which of these guys, both free agent/trade or after the top 3 QB's are taken would you say would help a team like Atanta/Denver/Las Vegas win next year?

I don't think you can give a better answer than Justin Fields and he may not be the answer either.

I've been pretty clear that Justin Fields is a non starter for me as a GM. I'd consider him only as a backup. Sean Payton insulted Fields after the Denver game this year when he said his defense had Fields right where he wanted him in the fourth (pocket). He said that openly. Now why in the hell would he trade for a QB he doesn't respect? Fields is marginally better than what Atlanta has in Ridder. They're going to regret trading for him. Roll the dice with Nix, McCarthy or whomever over Sackmaster Fields.

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The true measuring stick of any QB should be their ability to win with teams that are obviously tanking

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Even if you take away W/L the data isn't pretty. It's indefensible to be ranked 25th in fourth quarter stats as a "franchise QB". He's 42nd. But BD thinks he's making progress. I guess that means he was 43rd last year.

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NE is a team I'd be willing to take a high '25 pick from and gamble that they will be bad.

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I tell you there is a 10% chance that Williams will be in the HOF one day.
I tell you there is a 40% chance he is Caleb (2 time Pro Bowl QB) Williams.
I tell you there is a 50% chance he is a bust and goes away after 3-4 years.

Is there anyone that doesn't draft him #1?

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The chance he'll play in a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl is higher than any other place in the draft. Sign me up.

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Nah, I'd rather keep the 42nd best fourth quarter QB and hope he develops into the 39th best. Pass on Williams, build around the phenom we got.

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