When NASty and vegematic man agree on something, you can be sure that they are wrong.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
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Yes it is. Poles future as a football magnate would be crushed if he blew the Field decision. He will never have a clearer decison that can lead a team to a Super Bowl and keep them there for a decade potentially.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Fields own mother and father don’t love him as much as The Hawk does.

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A stud three tech would make this defense special, but you are not getting Jones or Madubuike, and no great draft prospects, so hope Dexter develops.

Sweat is the prototypical guy they want, lengthy guy that can set the edge, but for a cover 2 base D to excel you need inside pressure so the QB cannot hit the zones that open up as the linebackers and defensive backs get to their spots. If you get a precise QB that is patient he can pick the D apart, but inside pressure speeds of the QB's clock and you get off schedule throws that kill drives.

Now the athletic says the Steelers are definitively out of the Bustin Fields "sweepstakes".

https://theathletic.com/5311894/2024/03 ... n-pickett/

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I don't buy any of the nonsense about the Steelers believing in Pickett.

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they said everything they needed to say with their actions at playoff time

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I may have been wrong in my assessment of DE at #9. I should know better than to let the Combine alter my feelings, but it does.

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Agreed. The players don't want him. Tomlin can still read a room. That's why Russell Wilson isn't a option.

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Who were all of the players the Bears met with?

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I don't disagree with y'all but the GM has been open about his Pickett love.

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I'm pretty sure "Caleb Williams is drafted by the Bears and is a HOF player" is the dream scenario for the Bears.

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No, the dream scenario is they trade out of that pick and acquire additional picks, draft a different QB (whomever that may be depending on how far down they trade) who turns out to be a HOF player, and they continue their run of multiple first round draft picks and continue quickly improving the team in all areas.

Pass on Caleb Williams and pray that Bo Nix becomes a HOF QB.

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That might be taking a bit too far, but I think there are several other QB's who are as good a coin flip as Williams to be in the HOF.

That just isn't true. Drake Maye is the only one with even close to the same odds of being a great NFL QB. That's why they are clearly the top 2 quarterbacks.

Just because Bo Nix or Penix or JJ McCarthy has a non-zero chance of being a HOF QB doesn't mean that Williams doesn't have a higher chance of being a HOF QB.

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A bird in the hand is worth 8 hypothetical things that may be as good as that bird.

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Maybe, we will see. I just think you can get the best of both worlds in this draft - a quality QB (even if he isn't HOF) and a continued trend of multiple high-round quality players in each draft. I don't dislike Caleb Williams, i just don't believe the "generational" stuff. If the Bears really believe he is the right guy for them they SHOULD take him. But if there is another guy they like, the opportunity may be there to really capitalize.

I mean, of course if the Bears think there is a QB that is better than Williams likely available at #9 or wherever the other team that wants to trade up is but they'd also be wrong except in the extreme circumstance where Washington is willing to give them a bunch of picks to move up to #1 and they still get Drake Maye.

If they think Bo Nix or Penix or McCarthy has an equal chance of being elite they are just flat out wrong.

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I wouldn't lump Nix into any conversation I was having, nor McCarthy for that matter. But I think Daniels, Maye and Penix are legitimate options, again depending on how far back you are willing to trade. The Bears obviously need to draft a QB, i wouldn't be trading back into Bo NIx territory.

Then you're not getting a haul. If you trade back to #2, #3, #4 you'll get a lower return than if you trade back to #10, #11, #12, etc. The QBs you list aren't going to be available that far back. Your proposal seems off here.

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But any QB with the potential equal to Williams or Maye is likely go to either 3 or 4. So, you've already set a very narrow window here for a trade unless Washington is willing to do it.

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Who is the trade partner that will continue this trend? The Redskins and Patriots have a lot of cap space to be able to turn things around quickly. Why risk looking like the Cardinals after trading their 3rd pick last season?

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It really depends on what QB (other than Williams) the Bears would be interested in. Personally i would be monitoring any of the top-6 teams in the draft for trade interest. I've never been interested in keeping Fields or trading themselves out of draft position of getting one of the upper-tier QB's. I've never suggested trading into the teens or beyond with the goal of simply acquiring draft picks. this draft has quite a few decent prospects, I would be exploring options of trading back and still drafting an early round QB. If none of the teams are willing to meet the minimum return requirement and you feel as good about Williams as anyone else, you take him for better or for worse, but all it takes is one desperate team.

It sounds like you haven't given this much thought beyond the hypotheticals.

#2- The Redskins don't have to give the Bears a haul to move up one spot. They can draft Maye or Daniels or shop in free agency without taking a significant risk. They have a ton of cap space and could easily be a playoff team next year.

#3- The Patriots have $100M in cap space and a really good defense. They could turn their offense around in free agency and possibly take MHJ instead of a QB.

#4- The Cardinals don't need a QB.

#5- The Chargers don't need a QB.

#6- I suspect the Giants want a receiver or o-line help because jobs could be on the line if they stink this year.

#7. Tennessee doesn't need a QB.

#8- The Falcons are a playoff team if they find the right quarterback. They're reportedly focused on Cousins.

#9- Back to the Bears


It's unlikely the Bears would get anything significant trading with the other teams picking in the top 3. Moving down further than that would eliminate MHJ as an option and put the Bears at the mercy of teams like the Cardinals, Chargers, and Titans, who could trade down to allow another team to jump ahead of the Bears.

In your hypothetical scenario, the Bears could possibly trade Fields and the #1 pick and end up with Bo Nix as the best QB option and some future first round picks in the 20s. No thanks!

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You just improved my hypothetical. In your world they could draft down into the teens and still get a good QB prospect and get even more draft return.

You just said you wouldn't go to the teens. Ryan Poles would be fired IMMEDIATELY if he passed on the top quarterbacks in this class and MHJ and Justin Fields. It would be beyond foolish.

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we dont know if the other teams view williams in a tier of his own. the last week or two all signs point to the bears taking williams so i'm not even worried anymore about what compensation the bears could get

You've got to cut your losses on this one, MOFO. Three different posters in succession (me, nas, Rick) pointed out the same flaw in your proposal. Doubling down isn't a good look.

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I wouldn't - but your scenario indicated they could. I wouldn't draft any further down than where I was comfortable getting on of the top 4 QB's (if I wasn't sold on Williams). Your scenario showed only 2 QB's taken in the top ten, which I am confident isn't going to happen.