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When it's all said and done it's tough to take a board that believes that Tyson Bagent was a viable alternative to Justin Fields seriously. That was actually a discussion on here.
That actually seriously did. Not. Happen.
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I'm higher on Bagent than Fields. At this point, we know what Fields is and what he isn't. There is still time for Bagent to develop into something.
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This kid made it to this level training like Rocky and watching YouTube videos. How great can he be with a state of the art training facility and NFL coaching?
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My initial feeling about him is he'd pick your ass apart with time in the pocket. And obviously, that's where the legit comparison with Purdy comes in.
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I really don’t understand this, and it’s not just woke Score hosts. The narrative that Bagent’s ceiling is a journeyman backup (I heard McNown as a comparison) is everywhere. Why is that? Do the Power Five NCAA teams not like that there could be another route to the NFL?

How can they possibly know this after just two starts? Watching Garrapolo last night, and I’m thinking Eastern might have a tough time with some division two schools—and they produced Jimmy G and Romo.
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Bagent has been better in 2 starts than Fields has been in nearly every game of his career. We have no patience for him and demand that he's a finished product. It's insane.
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My head says no way this kid becomes more than a quality backup. But my heart is on verge of full meatball erection for this kid to be great!!!
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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When it's all said and done it's tough to take a board that believes that Tyson Bagent was a viable alternative to Justin Fields seriously. That was actually a discussion on here.
That actually seriously did. Not. Happen.
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm higher on Bagent than Fields. At this point, we know what Fields is and what he isn't. There is still time for Bagent to develop into something.
Nas wrote:
This kid made it to this level training like Rocky and watching YouTube videos. How great can he be with a state of the art training facility and NFL coaching?
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My initial feeling about him is he'd pick your ass apart with time in the pocket. And obviously, that's where the legit comparison with Purdy comes in.
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I really don’t understand this, and it’s not just woke Score hosts. The narrative that Bagent’s ceiling is a journeyman backup (I heard McNown as a comparison) is everywhere. Why is that? Do the Power Five NCAA teams not like that there could be another route to the NFL?

How can they possibly know this after just two starts? Watching Garrapolo last night, and I’m thinking Eastern might have a tough time with some division two schools—and they produced Jimmy G and Romo.
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Bagent has been better in 2 starts than Fields has been in nearly every game of his career. We have no patience for him and demand that he's a finished product. It's insane.
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My head says no way this kid becomes more than a quality backup. But my heart is on verge of full meatball erection for this kid to be great!!!
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Build around Bagent.


Ouch Babe! :lol: :lol: :lol:


These false hopes are nothing more then "the current Bear's QB sucks" syndrome.

The higher the hype for the prospect, the lower the depression when they fail. It explains why so MANY fans are hanging on to the delusion that Justin will be a star Quarterbasck.

This stage is called Denial. The quotes above have passed through the denial process, but fell into old patterns of abuse. Thinking the next guy up will be a star.

Thankfully, these posters have been given a shot of hope that the #1 pick will finally produce a star QB in Chicago.

Join these posters and TAKE THE SHOT! Don't be an anti-#1pick er.

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Florio has jumped on the C-Will train. He says C-Will will be a top 3-4 quarterback sooner rather than later.

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i cant believe we are getting to ruin two top draft quarterbacks in less than 5 years.

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i cant believe we are getting to ruin two top draft quarterbacks in less than 5 years.


We can't continue to focus on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Fields.

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Nas wrote:
Florio has jumped on the C-Will train. He says C-Will will be a top 3-4 quarterback sooner rather than later.

https://youtu.be/uvkfE92d1cU?si=pLzMvU-kQw7m78im

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Florio has jumped on the C-Will train. He says C-Will will be a top 3-4 quarterback sooner rather than later.

https://youtu.be/uvkfE92d1cU?si=pLzMvU-kQw7m78im

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Florio has a lot of bad thoughts.


He does. Particularly when it comes to players not having agents and not conforming. That's why I was surprised he did a 180 and walked a lot of stuff back with C-Will. Going out on a limb and saying that he'll soon be a top 3-4 quarterback was another surprise.

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Lombardi had a guy from SI on...said Bears were looking for a Sam Darnold kind of deal.

Lombardi said he spoke to a lot of people at the combine and there was no interest in Fields.

Said likely he would end up at a place where he would have to compete to start.

Harsh reality for the Fields fan club.


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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.

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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.




Holmes should also condescend to all the teams who are currently ignoring Fields.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Florio has jumped on the C-Will train. He says C-Will will be a top 3-4 quarterback sooner rather than later.

https://youtu.be/uvkfE92d1cU?si=pLzMvU-kQw7m78im

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Florio has a lot of bad thoughts.


:lol: :lol:

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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.




Holmes should also condescend to all the teams who are currently ignoring Fields.


That's every show.

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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.




Holmes should also condescend to all the teams who are currently ignoring Fields.


Holmes is on vacation the next couple weeks :lol:


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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.




Holmes should also condescend to all the teams who are currently ignoring Fields.


Holmes is on vacation the next couple weeks :lol:

Oh is it time for his spring gaytaway in Arizona?

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Holmes is going to treat him like a caller the next time he's on for disrespecting Fields.




Holmes should also condescend to all the teams who are currently ignoring Fields.


Holmes is on vacation the next couple weeks :lol:

Oh is it time for his spring gaytaway in Arizona?

.it's time for cocao butter and white filters on his grinder account.

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Bumslaying by Caleb Williams runs a helluva lot deeper than first anticipated. Concerning if true
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Top 25: 2 games (Notre dame, Oregan state)

Passing: 58% 206 ypg 2 td

Rushing: 62 rushing yards 3 td 0 fumble?

Non top 25: 11 games

Passing:67% 343 ypg 40 td 5 int

Rushing: 310 rushing yards 7 td 3 fumbles?

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Top25:4 games (ND, Utah, Oregan, ucla)

Passing 65% 282 ypg 3td 4 int

Rushing -12 yards 2 td 3 fumble?

Non top 25: 8 games

Passing: 70% 312ypg 27td 1 int

Rushing: 148 yards 8 td 7 fumble?

Combined

Top 25: 6 games

265 TOTypg 62% 10tot td 4 int 3 fumble

Non top 25: 19 games

345 tot ypg 68% 82 td 6 int 10 fumble

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I wonder why the ‘23 stats exclude the Washington game.

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I wonder why the ‘23 stats exclude the Washington game.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I wonder why the ‘23 stats exclude the Washington game.


Not really. I think this comp/contrast is based on top 25 defenses verses defenses that were not ranked in the top 25. Washington's defense was rather shitty by all accounts. Hence the "gaudy" stats. It seems clear that Good ol Caleb struggles mightily as the quality of competition toughens. The discrepancy in the stats between good and bad defenses is eye-popping.

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Who are you comparing him to? We've already established that he was far better against top 25 teams than your favorite quarterback, even though your favorite quarterback played with far superior talent.

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Who are you comparing him to? We've already established that he was far better against top 25 teams than your favorite quarterback, even though your favorite quarterback played with far superior talent.


"We" really haven't though. He played shitty against better competition. That much is irrefutable.

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Caleb Williams

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64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT

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Nas wrote:
Caleb Williams

vs. Top 25

64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT


Those Caleb #s against top 25 defenses just aren't adding up

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Caleb Williams

vs. Top 25

64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT


Those Caleb #s against top 25 defenses just aren't adding up


Then I would encourage you to go game by game to fact check the data.

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Nas wrote:
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Caleb Williams

vs. Top 25

64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT


Those Caleb #s against top 25 defenses just aren't adding up


Then I would encourage you to go game by game to fact check the data.


Against top 25 defenses his #s were shitty..And Fiekds might have played with better players, but he also played against better players. Ohio States's schedule is much tougher than USC's year in and year out

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Caleb Williams

vs. Top 25

64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT


Those Caleb #s against top 25 defenses just aren't adding up


Then I would encourage you to go game by game to fact check the data.


Against top 25 defenses his #s were shitty..And Fiekds might have played with better players, but he also played against better players. Ohio States's schedule is much tougher than USC's year in and year out


Tom Brady is 0-2 in the playoffs against Eli Manning and Mahomes is 1-3 in the playoffs against Brady and Burrow. If we look hard enough, we could find something wrong with every player or their numbers. It's why I asked you who you were comparing him to.

I don't follow college football like a lot of people here. I also assumed OSU played against better competition, but C-Will played against twice as many top 25 opponents than Fields. I'm assuming covid and Fields failing to beat out Jake Fromm plays a role.

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Nas wrote:
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Caleb Williams

vs. Top 25

64% Completion
4019 yards
31 touchdowns
8 interceptions
151.4 Rating

Every ranked matchup of Justin Fields college career:

25 Michigan State, 17-25, 206 yards, 2 td, 1 INT

13 Wisconsin, 12-22 167 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

8 Penn State 16-22 188 yards 2TD 0 INT

13 Michigan 14-25 302 yards 4 TD 0 INT

8 Wisconsin 19-31, 299 yards 3 TD

3 Clemson 30-46,320 Yards 1 TD 2 INT

18 Penn State (PSU now unranked and winless however) 28-34, 318 yards, 4 td, 0 INT

9 Indiana 18-30, 300 yards, 2 td, 3 INT


Those Caleb #s against top 25 defenses just aren't adding up


Then I would encourage you to go game by game to fact check the data.


Against top 25 defenses his #s were shitty..And Fiekds might have played with better players, but he also played against better players. Ohio States's schedule is much tougher than USC's year in and year out


Tom Brady is 0-2 in the playoffs against Eli Manning and Mahomes is 1-3 in the playoffs against Brady and Burrow. If we look hard enough, we could find something wrong with every player or their numbers. It's why I asked you who you were comparing him to.

I don't follow college football like a lot of people here. I also assumed OSU played against better competition, but C-Will played against twice as many top 25 opponents than Fields. I'm assuming covid and Fields failing to beat out Jake Fromm plays a role.


I posted the stats earlier. Thus I don't want to go back and find them. However it is concerning that he underperforms greatly against top defenses. And people can pooh pooh it if they want but it does matter.

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If you're not comparing him to anyone else the numbers are meaningless

The Oregon game this year was the only game I saw that was concerning and I watched his play in every loss in his career. He was pressing.

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