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Religion is like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. It was very useful for a time but those days are past and it's just counting down the clock until it is gone forever.



Ridiculous. Religion is part of human nature. It will ALWAYS be here. If man isn't practicing whatever it is you're calling "religion", he'll be practicing something else that is just as much a religion, whether that's faith in vaccines that is unsupported by evidence or Climate Change or Black Lives Matter or whatever.

That discounts the role of religion if it is just a manifestation of human nature. Sure, people will have something that guides them in life. The fact that religion can work in parallel to that is fine but also unimportant. It's not like if someone stopped going to church on Sunday they'd start robbing banks.



People have given up church to dedicate their life to a politician whose beliefs are flexible. Despite you being agnostic, you're still influenced by religion. That said, I would be concerned about our future if the overwhelming majority of people were atheists. You may think it's worthless, but I strongly believe faith moderates the behavior of MANY. It's one of the primary reasons why the rich aren't being eaten worldwide.

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Religion is like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. It was very useful for a time but those days are past and it's just counting down the clock until it is gone forever.



Ridiculous. Religion is part of human nature. It will ALWAYS be here. If man isn't practicing whatever it is you're calling "religion", he'll be practicing something else that is just as much a religion, whether that's faith in vaccines that is unsupported by evidence or Climate Change or Black Lives Matter or whatever.

That discounts the role of religion if it is just a manifestation of human nature. Sure, people will have something that guides them in life. The fact that religion can work in parallel to that is fine but also unimportant. It's not like if someone stopped going to church on Sunday they'd start robbing banks.

JORR is correct. The survival of Scientology is proof that there will always be demand for Religion of some kind.

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Religion is like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. It was very useful for a time but those days are past and it's just counting down the clock until it is gone forever.



Ridiculous. Religion is part of human nature. It will ALWAYS be here. If man isn't practicing whatever it is you're calling "religion", he'll be practicing something else that is just as much a religion, whether that's faith in vaccines that is unsupported by evidence or Climate Change or Black Lives Matter or whatever.

That discounts the role of religion if it is just a manifestation of human nature. Sure, people will have something that guides them in life. The fact that religion can work in parallel to that is fine but also unimportant. It's not like if someone stopped going to church on Sunday they'd start robbing banks.



People have given up church to dedicate their life to a politician whose beliefs are flexible.


Correct. MANY actually wore t-shirts and/or put stickers on their cars that said, "I'M WITH HER." If that isn't a religion I don't know what is.

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Correct. MANY actually wore t-shirts and/or hats that said, "MAGA." If that isn't a religion I don't know what is.

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Yeah and we all know that Scientology is "wrong".


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One day Tom Cruise’s dream of not having a single SP in the world will come true.

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A president telling young black people that they have no chance because America is against them.

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Homosexuals should have the much bigger beef with the speech, but, nope, its biological women with the loudest voices

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Jesus gave my speech. Told me what its like to be Jesus. I was all like, yeah, I hated the Iron Sheik back in grade school when he would say "Iran #1. Russia #1. America, hock-ptui"

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Your POTUS can't even define what a man is. Let that sink in.


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Latin Mass is a lightning rod within the Catholic Church. Especially in the US where it has become quite popular in some cities, (St John Cantius-Chicago) for instance.

It is the battleground of changes in the Church that liberal vs traditional Catholics so to speak, argue or fight over constantly.

The board's biggest Latin mass supporter ever would surprise you.


What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?

It seems strange--to say the least--that some Catholics would want to make their religion even less comprehensible and accessible than it already is.

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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.

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Religion is like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. It was very useful for a time but those days are past and it's just counting down the clock until it is gone forever.



Ridiculous. Religion is part of human nature. It will ALWAYS be here. If man isn't practicing whatever it is you're calling "religion", he'll be practicing something else that is just as much a religion, whether that's faith in vaccines that is unsupported by evidence or Climate Change or Black Lives Matter or whatever.

That discounts the role of religion if it is just a manifestation of human nature. Sure, people will have something that guides them in life. The fact that religion can work in parallel to that is fine but also unimportant. It's not like if someone stopped going to church on Sunday they'd start robbing banks.


You're trying to impose your colonialist moralities on me by making such a statement that robbing a bank is something I shouldn't do. Leave this space colonizer.

If I have greater need for the money and will use it for a better purpose than you, why should you get to keep it from me, colonizer? The truth is, its you who is robbing from me by withholding it from me.

Anyway, they have insurance.

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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.


Nobody has to be a Catholic. The Church only has the power its members grant it. The Vatican doesn't have an army or the power of taxation enforced by guns. If you don't want to be a Catholic, you don't have to be one. Many have made that choice.

So I'm not sure how decentralizing power, if indeed such has occurred, has helped the Church.

A religion is just a set of beliefs. You don't have to hold those beliefs, but if you don't I can't see how you're a member of that religion. You're just creating a new religion to satisfy yourself.

Cafeteria Catholicism is bullshit. As crazy and destructive as Islam is, at least Muslims have principles.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.


Nobody has to be a Catholic. The Church only has the power its members grant it. The Vatican doesn't have an army or the power of taxation enforced by guns. If you don't want to be a Catholic, you don't have to be one. Many have made that choice.

So I'm not sure how decentralizing power, if indeed such has occurred, has helped the Church.

A religion is just a set of beliefs. You don't have to hold those beliefs, but if you don't I can't see how you're a member of that religion. You're just creating a new religion to satisfy yourself.

Cafeteria Catholicism is bullshit. As crazy and destructive as Islam is, at least Muslims have principles.


Agreed. Those championing Latin mass, which is not a core tenet of the Catholic Church, should get out.

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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.


Nobody has to be a Catholic. The Church only has the power its members grant it. The Vatican doesn't have an army or the power of taxation enforced by guns. If you don't want to be a Catholic, you don't have to be one. Many have made that choice.

So I'm not sure how decentralizing power, if indeed such has occurred, has helped the Church.

A religion is just a set of beliefs. You don't have to hold those beliefs, but if you don't I can't see how you're a member of that religion. You're just creating a new religion to satisfy yourself.

Cafeteria Catholicism is bullshit. As crazy and destructive as Islam is, at least Muslims have principles.


Agreed. Those championing Latin mass, which is not a core tenet of the Catholic Church, should get out.


It isn't really any different than the people now try to rid the church mass of acoustic guitar sing a longs and tossing communion about like dog treats.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.


Nobody has to be a Catholic. The Church only has the power its members grant it. The Vatican doesn't have an army or the power of taxation enforced by guns. If you don't want to be a Catholic, you don't have to be one. Many have made that choice.

So I'm not sure how decentralizing power, if indeed such has occurred, has helped the Church.

A religion is just a set of beliefs. You don't have to hold those beliefs, but if you don't I can't see how you're a member of that religion. You're just creating a new religion to satisfy yourself.

Cafeteria Catholicism is bullshit. As crazy and destructive as Islam is, at least Muslims have principles.


Agreed. Those championing Latin mass, which is not a core tenet of the Catholic Church, should get out.


:lol:

It's tradition- or was tradition. And what is a religion if not a collection of rules and traditions?

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Your POTUS can't even define what a man is. Let that sink in.
You voted for Joe Biden, or at least said you did. Let that sink in.

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tossing communion about like dog treats.


:lol: :lol:

You've got who knows who offering the Body of Christ. I get that they're short priests, but I was taught that only the priest handles the host.

And therein lies the problem. You have all these rules and customs that form the basis of a religion and slowly, whether out of convenience or pandering to popular whim, you eliminate them and tell people they were never that important to begin with, well, how long does it take before people just dismiss the entire thing?

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:lol: :lol:

You've got who knows who offering the Body of Christ. I get that they're short priests, but I was taught that only the priest handles the host.

And therein lies the problem. You have all these rules and customs that form the basis of a religion and slowly, whether out of convenience or pandering to popular whim, you eliminate them and tell people they were never that important to begin with, well, how long does it take before people just dismiss the entire thing?



The kid diddling and coverup has done more to hurt the Catholic church than the loss of Latin mass.

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:lol: :lol:

You've got who knows who offering the Body of Christ. I get that they're short priests, but I was taught that only the priest handles the host.

And therein lies the problem. You have all these rules and customs that form the basis of a religion and slowly, whether out of convenience or pandering to popular whim, you eliminate them and tell people they were never that important to begin with, well, how long does it take before people just dismiss the entire thing?



The kid diddling and coverup has done more to hurt the Catholic church than the loss of Latin mass.


Probably true.

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Religion is like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. It was very useful for a time but those days are past and it's just counting down the clock until it is gone forever.



Ridiculous. Religion is part of human nature. It will ALWAYS be here. If man isn't practicing whatever it is you're calling "religion", he'll be practicing something else that is just as much a religion, whether that's faith in vaccines that is unsupported by evidence or Climate Change or Black Lives Matter or whatever.

That discounts the role of religion if it is just a manifestation of human nature. Sure, people will have something that guides them in life. The fact that religion can work in parallel to that is fine but also unimportant. It's not like if someone stopped going to church on Sunday they'd start robbing banks.


You're trying to impose your colonialist moralities on me by making such a statement that robbing a bank is something I shouldn't do. Leave this space colonizer.

If I have greater need for the money and will use it for a better purpose than you, why should you get to keep it from me, colonizer? The truth is, its you who is robbing from me by withholding it from me.

Anyway, they have insurance.

You dig?


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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


The elimination of the Latin mass decentralized power.


Nobody has to be a Catholic. The Church only has the power its members grant it. The Vatican doesn't have an army or the power of taxation enforced by guns. If you don't want to be a Catholic, you don't have to be one. Many have made that choice.

So I'm not sure how decentralizing power, if indeed such has occurred, has helped the Church.

A religion is just a set of beliefs. You don't have to hold those beliefs, but if you don't I can't see how you're a member of that religion. You're just creating a new religion to satisfy yourself.

Cafeteria Catholicism is bullshit. As crazy and destructive as Islam is, at least Muslims have principles.


Agreed. Those championing Latin mass, which is not a core tenet of the Catholic Church, should get out.


:lol:

It's tradition- or was tradition. And what is a religion if not a collection of rules and traditions?


Right. And the rules are not on the side of those demanding a return to Latin mass.

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:lol: :lol:

You've got who knows who offering the Body of Christ. I get that they're short priests, but I was taught that only the priest handles the host.


And at the uber-conservative church I attend in Central WI, it is still that way. Their Deacon does not even participate in the distribution.

While I am a Eucharistic Minister at my parish here, there are still MANY who will only receive from the priest.

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The board's biggest Latin mass supporter ever would surprise you.



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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


Found him.

It's funny you mention that, because the McDonaldsization of the Mormon Church, which they refer to as "correlation," has been a major contributor to the church's loss of membership and decrease in morale. Local communities used to raise funds to build their meetinghouses (the normal buildings, not the temples). Now they get the blueprints and building kits from the head office in Salt Lake City and every meetinghouse from here on out basically has to look like this:

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That looks like a branch bank in Mundelein.

And with that, they've cut everything else that could be handled at the ward/parish level, like youth activities and bake sales and community outreach and all the things we're used to local churches doing, because the head office wants everyone to do the same thing everywhere and provide a consistent product. That's what happens when the church is run by businessmen (they don't have a clergy that went through divinity school; you literally just get promoted to running the church when you're good at business).

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The board's biggest Latin mass supporter ever would surprise you.



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What percentage of Catholics can understand a Latin mass? Fewer than 1%?


It's not difficult to understand.

Why does everyone like McDonald's? Because you can be in Yakutsk or Irkutsk and when you see the golden arches you know the Big Mac is going to be the same thing you had in your hometown.

The elimination of the Latin mass allowed the franchisees, i.e. parishes, to get sloppy.


Found him.

It's funny you mention that, because the McDonaldsization of the Mormon Church, which they refer to as "correlation," has been a major contributor to the church's loss of membership and decrease in morale. Local communities used to raise funds to build their meetinghouses (the normal buildings, not the temples). Now they get the blueprints and building kits from the head office in Salt Lake City and every meetinghouse from here on out basically has to look like this:

Image

That looks like a branch bank in Mundelein.

And with that, they've cut everything else that could be handled at the ward/parish level, like youth activities and bake sales and community outreach and all the things we're used to local churches doing, because the head office wants everyone to do the same thing everywhere and provide a consistent product. That's what happens when the church is run by businessmen (they don't have a clergy that went through divinity school; you literally just get promoted to running the church when you're good at business).


We're talking about the ritual that is central to the religion, not micromanaging bake sales from Rome.

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