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I did a quick review of the mocks and I’m going with this guy Nikola Topic.

First Serbian I’m seeing around 11. Not fat enough for my liking but a couple few Chicago winters and he’ll get there.

Well, drafting a guy with a torn ACL is very Bulls-like. Drafting a European PG that can't hit a 3 is even more so.


If they draft someone whose biggest flaw is shooting....

I know it's supposed to be a bad draft, but you would think they would at least target shooting or athleticism.


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I know it's supposed to be a bad draft, but you would think they would at least target shooting or athleticism.


someone with a strong motor


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I know it's supposed to be a bad draft, but you would think they would at least target shooting or athleticism.


someone with a strong motor

Fat…slow…Eastern European.

Could not be simpler.

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Every mock I see has them drafting basically another Coby or Ayo

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has to be a character guy too

we don't want any malcontents ruining the locker room chemistry


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has to be a character guy too

we don't want any malcontents ruining the locker room chemistry

Preferably a guy who came off the bench.

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That's a given. I can't wait for them to talk about team chemistry and whomever they pick is a great complement to the locker room.

It would a huge letdown if they decided this is the draft they want more resources for (i.e. Caruso/Zach trades that bring back picks in the worst draft in recent memory).


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The Bulls are a mess. And I held out hope for awhile with AK but it's a wrap. Says he's going to make changes but I think he only meant with the coaching staff until he shows something different. Anything other than omoving 2 of the big 3 is a huge disappointment. If he doesn't move Lonzo as an expiring contract is a letdown. Bringing Billy D back is a letdown.
It's obvious that they aren't trying to win. They refused to make moves the past 2 years (in spite of receiving salary for Ball's injury) when Ball was ruled out because they didn’t want to pay the luxury tax. For years they have pushed nonsense regarding "paying the luxury tax if they had a deal that could put them over the top" Whatever the hell that means. In the 25-30 years that the luxury tax system has been in place, the Bulls have only paid into once. That demonstrates what their willingness to win happens to be.

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The Bulls are a mess. And I held out hope for awhile with AK but it's a wrap. Says he's going to make changes but I think he only meant with the coaching staff until he shows something different. Anything other than omoving 2 of the big 3 is a huge disappointment. If he doesn't move Lonzo as an expiring contract is a letdown. Bringing Billy D back is a letdown.
It's obvious that they aren't trying to win. They refused to make moves the past 2 years (in spite of receiving salary for Ball's injury) when Ball was ruled out because they didn’t want to pay the luxury tax. For years they have pushed nonsense regarding "paying the luxury tax if they had a deal that could put them over the top" Whatever the hell that means. In the 25-30 years that the luxury tax system has been in place, the Bulls have only paid into once. That demonstrates what their willingness to win happens to be.


NBC Sports Chicago has a new article today on the Bulls that implies that AK is serious about meaningful change, but there's no new information on what that could mean other than what we already know.

They do seem content with just competing. If management did prevent him from moving Caruso at the deadline, AK should have resigned. I know these jobs are tough to get so I understand why he wouldn't have, but what's the point if he can't make decisions that the rest of us would expect? He did make much more pointed comments about real change at the end of the season so maybe he's now free to do other moves that shake up the roster, but, to me, any team that returns DeMar is not really serious about making meaningful changes.

It still feels like their primary objective is to move Zach for some salary relief to then resign DeMar and Patrick Williams.


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Today's draft projection from The Athletic...Antioch gets his guy.

11. Chicago Bulls
Nikola Topić | 6-6 lead guard | 18 years old | Crvena zvezda
Topić’s draft range is one of the biggest talking points around the league now. There seems to be uncertainty about when he’s picked. That has a lot to do with his knee injury, which was diagnosed as a partially torn ACL earlier this month.
It also has to do with teams’ attempts to get a handle on his game. In 13 Adriatic League games for Mega Basket before his transfer to Crvena zvezda, Topić averaged 18.6 points and 6.9 assists while shooting 52.4 percent from the field. He’s a dynamic ball-screen distributor and consistently lived in the paint in the Adriatic League, which consists of the top teams from the six countries that once made up Yugoslavia. He can execute nearly every pass in the book once he gets a downhill advantage and hits teammates with flair and creativity. Topić also scores proficiently at the rim, using inventive touch to finish high off the glass and around rim protectors.
However, after moving over to Crvena zvezda (also known as Red Star) for the second half of the season, he wasn’t quite as impactful, even before getting hurt.
The Bulls are a difficult team to peg and have brought in a wide range of prospects for visits. Additionally, league sources are still unsure of the team’s plans with DeMar DeRozan (an unrestricted free agent), Alex Caruso and Zach LaVine this summer.

On a side note, they have Zach Edey going 14th to the Blazers. That's much higher than I would have guessed.

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The Bulls are a mess. And I held out hope for awhile with AK but it's a wrap. Says he's going to make changes but I think he only meant with the coaching staff until he shows something different. Anything other than omoving 2 of the big 3 is a huge disappointment. If he doesn't move Lonzo as an expiring contract is a letdown. Bringing Billy D back is a letdown.
It's obvious that they aren't trying to win. They refused to make moves the past 2 years (in spite of receiving salary for Ball's injury) when Ball was ruled out because they didn’t want to pay the luxury tax. For years they have pushed nonsense regarding "paying the luxury tax if they had a deal that could put them over the top" Whatever the hell that means. In the 25-30 years that the luxury tax system has been in place, the Bulls have only paid into once. That demonstrates what their willingness to win happens to be.


NBC Sports Chicago has a new article today on the Bulls that implies that AK is serious about meaningful change, but there's no new information on what that could mean other than what we already know.

They do seem content with just competing. If management did prevent him from moving Caruso at the deadline, AK should have resigned. I know these jobs are tough to get so I understand why he wouldn't have, but what's the point if he can't make decisions that the rest of us would expect? He did make much more pointed comments about real change at the end of the season so maybe he's now free to do other moves that shake up the roster, but, to me, any team that returns DeMar is not really serious about making meaningful changes.

It still feels like their primary objective is to move Zach for some salary relief to then resign DeMar and Patrick Williams.


If he would have moved Demar during the 22-23 season at the deadline he could have received a solid return for him. A season and a half-2 later and now 35, I doubt it. He's just going to have to let him roll for nothing. Maybe a sign and trade. I hope he doesn't resign him under any circumstances. They probably will in the hope that they can move him at the deadline. Problem with that is that it will be only to a contender for junk or bad draft picks. Let him roll now and move on.

With Zach it's going to be tough because they have overvalue Zach. Both in salary and trade market. Their asking price (2 No.1s and a starting caliber player) is a pipe dream. At best with that salary you're only going to recieve a starter and a bench guy who makes the salaries work and nothing else.

They should move the Paw. If he amounts to anything worthwhile it won't be with Billy D as coach. He's completely screwed the kid up. Hope he isn't completely ruined by all ofvthe jerking around and pandering to the vets that Billy D does.
And lastly nothing improves until Billy D I'd shitcanned. The Bulls roster wasn't that bad the last couple of season. Not contending level but definitely 5-6 seed level good in the East.

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The Bulls made their first player trade in about 180 years. Thanks, AK!

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The Bulls made their first player trade in about 180 years. Thanks, AK!

Zach and Vuc were trades

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Today's draft projection from The Athletic...Antioch gets his guy.

11. Chicago Bulls
Nikola Topić | 6-6 lead guard | 18 years old | Crvena zvezda
Topić’s draft range is one of the biggest talking points around the league now. There seems to be uncertainty about when he’s picked. That has a lot to do with his knee injury, which was diagnosed as a partially torn ACL earlier this month.
It also has to do with teams’ attempts to get a handle on his game. In 13 Adriatic League games for Mega Basket before his transfer to Crvena zvezda, Topić averaged 18.6 points and 6.9 assists while shooting 52.4 percent from the field. He’s a dynamic ball-screen distributor and consistently lived in the paint in the Adriatic League, which consists of the top teams from the six countries that once made up Yugoslavia. He can execute nearly every pass in the book once he gets a downhill advantage and hits teammates with flair and creativity. Topić also scores proficiently at the rim, using inventive touch to finish high off the glass and around rim protectors.
However, after moving over to Crvena zvezda (also known as Red Star) for the second half of the season, he wasn’t quite as impactful, even before getting hurt.
The Bulls are a difficult team to peg and have brought in a wide range of prospects for visits. Additionally, league sources are still unsure of the team’s plans with DeMar DeRozan (an unrestricted free agent), Alex Caruso and Zach LaVine this summer.

On a side note, they have Zach Edey going 14th to the Blazers. That's much higher than I would have guessed.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Today's draft projection from The Athletic...Antioch gets his guy.

11. Chicago Bulls
Nikola Topić | 6-6 lead guard | 18 years old | Crvena zvezda
Topić’s draft range is one of the biggest talking points around the league now. There seems to be uncertainty about when he’s picked. That has a lot to do with his knee injury, which was diagnosed as a partially torn ACL earlier this month.
It also has to do with teams’ attempts to get a handle on his game. In 13 Adriatic League games for Mega Basket before his transfer to Crvena zvezda, Topić averaged 18.6 points and 6.9 assists while shooting 52.4 percent from the field. He’s a dynamic ball-screen distributor and consistently lived in the paint in the Adriatic League, which consists of the top teams from the six countries that once made up Yugoslavia. He can execute nearly every pass in the book once he gets a downhill advantage and hits teammates with flair and creativity. Topić also scores proficiently at the rim, using inventive touch to finish high off the glass and around rim protectors.
However, after moving over to Crvena zvezda (also known as Red Star) for the second half of the season, he wasn’t quite as impactful, even before getting hurt.
The Bulls are a difficult team to peg and have brought in a wide range of prospects for visits. Additionally, league sources are still unsure of the team’s plans with DeMar DeRozan (an unrestricted free agent), Alex Caruso and Zach LaVine this summer.

On a side note, they have Zach Edey going 14th to the Blazers. That's much higher than I would have guessed.

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Maybe not. It seems like the guy they just traded for would fit a similar role.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Today's draft projection from The Athletic...Antioch gets his guy.

11. Chicago Bulls
Nikola Topić | 6-6 lead guard | 18 years old | Crvena zvezda
Topić’s draft range is one of the biggest talking points around the league now. There seems to be uncertainty about when he’s picked. That has a lot to do with his knee injury, which was diagnosed as a partially torn ACL earlier this month.
It also has to do with teams’ attempts to get a handle on his game. In 13 Adriatic League games for Mega Basket before his transfer to Crvena zvezda, Topić averaged 18.6 points and 6.9 assists while shooting 52.4 percent from the field. He’s a dynamic ball-screen distributor and consistently lived in the paint in the Adriatic League, which consists of the top teams from the six countries that once made up Yugoslavia. He can execute nearly every pass in the book once he gets a downhill advantage and hits teammates with flair and creativity. Topić also scores proficiently at the rim, using inventive touch to finish high off the glass and around rim protectors.
However, after moving over to Crvena zvezda (also known as Red Star) for the second half of the season, he wasn’t quite as impactful, even before getting hurt.
The Bulls are a difficult team to peg and have brought in a wide range of prospects for visits. Additionally, league sources are still unsure of the team’s plans with DeMar DeRozan (an unrestricted free agent), Alex Caruso and Zach LaVine this summer.

On a side note, they have Zach Edey going 14th to the Blazers. That's much higher than I would have guessed.

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Maybe not. It seems like the guy they just traded for would fit a similar role.

Tall guy who can’t shoot or play defense?

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Today's Mock Draft from the Athletic will disappoint Antioch but please BRick.

11. Chicago Bulls
Zach Edey | 7-4 center | 22 years old | Purdue
Edey was the best player in college basketball, averaging 25.2 points, 12.2 rebounds and more than two blocks per game on his way to back-to-back National Player of the Year awards. He establishes position anywhere and everywhere on the court because of his size and strength, yet possesses remarkable touch around the rim. One could make the case he was the best screen-setter in the country with the way he crushed guards trying to get through and rolled to the rim for deep post-ups or easy buckets. Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket.

The issue with his fit in the NBA is obvious: He’s 7-4 and doesn’t move particularly well laterally. Can he stop ballhandlers from turning the corner on him? Can he get back in transition in the up-and-down NBA?

Despite those concerns, Edey appears to be rising up the board. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top 20. The Bulls should be in the market for a long-term answer at center; league sources have connected them with Clingan if they can trade up into his range. If the Bulls miss on him, Edey makes sense as a backup option, although it would be intriguing to see what they would do with this pick if the board fell this way. They’re an extremely difficult team to project right now due to the sheer number of moving parts with their roster, including DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball’s contract and health status, and their potential interest in trading Zach LaVine.

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Today's Mock Draft from the Athletic will disappoint Antioch but please BRick.

11. Chicago Bulls
Zach Edey | 7-4 center | 22 years old | Purdue
Edey was the best player in college basketball, averaging 25.2 points, 12.2 rebounds and more than two blocks per game on his way to back-to-back National Player of the Year awards. He establishes position anywhere and everywhere on the court because of his size and strength, yet possesses remarkable touch around the rim. One could make the case he was the best screen-setter in the country with the way he crushed guards trying to get through and rolled to the rim for deep post-ups or easy buckets. Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket.

The issue with his fit in the NBA is obvious: He’s 7-4 and doesn’t move particularly well laterally. Can he stop ballhandlers from turning the corner on him? Can he get back in transition in the up-and-down NBA?

Despite those concerns, Edey appears to be rising up the board. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top 20. The Bulls should be in the market for a long-term answer at center; league sources have connected them with Clingan if they can trade up into his range. If the Bulls miss on him, Edey makes sense as a backup option, although it would be intriguing to see what they would do with this pick if the board fell this way. They’re an extremely difficult team to project right now due to the sheer number of moving parts with their roster, including DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball’s contract and health status, and their potential interest in trading Zach LaVine.


I would struggle with this given their roster already lacks athleticism and this would just be more of the same. He may have a career as a backup/role player, and the Bulls do need someone who can reduce Vuc's importance so I understand the positional need, but would just prefer not enough defensive issue.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Today's Mock Draft from the Athletic will disappoint Antioch but please BRick.

11. Chicago Bulls
Zach Edey | 7-4 center | 22 years old | Purdue
Edey was the best player in college basketball, averaging 25.2 points, 12.2 rebounds and more than two blocks per game on his way to back-to-back National Player of the Year awards. He establishes position anywhere and everywhere on the court because of his size and strength, yet possesses remarkable touch around the rim. One could make the case he was the best screen-setter in the country with the way he crushed guards trying to get through and rolled to the rim for deep post-ups or easy buckets. Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket.

The issue with his fit in the NBA is obvious: He’s 7-4 and doesn’t move particularly well laterally. Can he stop ballhandlers from turning the corner on him? Can he get back in transition in the up-and-down NBA?

Despite those concerns, Edey appears to be rising up the board. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top 20. The Bulls should be in the market for a long-term answer at center; league sources have connected them with Clingan if they can trade up into his range. If the Bulls miss on him, Edey makes sense as a backup option, although it would be intriguing to see what they would do with this pick if the board fell this way. They’re an extremely difficult team to project right now due to the sheer number of moving parts with their roster, including DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball’s contract and health status, and their potential interest in trading Zach LaVine.


I would struggle with this given their roster already lacks athleticism and this would just be more of the same. He may have a career as a backup/role player, and the Bulls do need someone who can reduce Vuc's importance so I understand the positional need, but would just prefer not enough defensive issue.
It doesn't feel like a Billy D pick and I agree with your concerns...but could be fun.

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Today's Mock Draft from the Athletic will disappoint Antioch but please BRick.

11. Chicago Bulls
Zach Edey | 7-4 center | 22 years old | Purdue
Edey was the best player in college basketball, averaging 25.2 points, 12.2 rebounds and more than two blocks per game on his way to back-to-back National Player of the Year awards. He establishes position anywhere and everywhere on the court because of his size and strength, yet possesses remarkable touch around the rim. One could make the case he was the best screen-setter in the country with the way he crushed guards trying to get through and rolled to the rim for deep post-ups or easy buckets. Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket.

The issue with his fit in the NBA is obvious: He’s 7-4 and doesn’t move particularly well laterally. Can he stop ballhandlers from turning the corner on him? Can he get back in transition in the up-and-down NBA?

Despite those concerns, Edey appears to be rising up the board. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top 20. The Bulls should be in the market for a long-term answer at center; league sources have connected them with Clingan if they can trade up into his range. If the Bulls miss on him, Edey makes sense as a backup option, although it would be intriguing to see what they would do with this pick if the board fell this way. They’re an extremely difficult team to project right now due to the sheer number of moving parts with their roster, including DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball’s contract and health status, and their potential interest in trading Zach LaVine.

I don't want him to be ruined by the Bulls.

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