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There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.


that's not a great story

Fuckin guy doesn't know the difference between great stories and fun facts.

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That traffic is different. Having a sea of people walking will make traffic difficult. The highways and roads outside of the centre aren't bad.

Ever take a shit in the Vatican?


I took over a dozen pictures inside the Sistine Chapel, even though they told me not to take any. Does that count?

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That traffic is different. Having a sea of people walking will make traffic difficult. The highways and roads outside of the centre aren't bad.

Ever take a shit in the Vatican?


I took over a dozen pictures inside the Sistine Chapel, even though they told me not to take any. Does that count?

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Nas wrote:
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That traffic is different. Having a sea of people walking will make traffic difficult. The highways and roads outside of the centre aren't bad.

Ever take a shit in the Vatican?


I took over a dozen pictures inside the Sistine Chapel, even though they told me not to take any. Does that count?


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the idea that more lanes doesnt help was born in college. they just expanded the beltline in madison to 4 lanes and it made a world of difference. this was after two decades of city engineers and tree huggers crying with 'facts' that it wouldnt change traffic flow.

Induced demand. It’s a real thing.


My entire point that it's not. It's a concept born in college much like homosexuality and trans gender bullshit. The demand was already there, that's why the extra lanes are needed. You can't then say oh look we created demand retroactively. That's what confused people say.

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how is LA not on that list ?

takes an hour to drive 1/2 mile in any given direction, even at midnight


LA is #7 in that article:
https://www.thestreet.com/personal-fina ... -in-the-us


I don't see how L.A. is not number one. It's nothing but freeways and doesn't have a true center, so everyone is going everywhere all the time.

I don't either. I don't want to make any case for Chicago having any kind of good or acceptable roadways, but LA traffic is noticeably worse than Chicago. Only driven through Atlanta twice but that's pretty bad, too.

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the idea that more lanes doesnt help was born in college. they just expanded the beltline in madison to 4 lanes and it made a world of difference. this was after two decades of city engineers and tree huggers crying with 'facts' that it wouldnt change traffic flow.

Induced demand. It’s a real thing.


My entire point that it's not. It's a concept born in college much like homosexuality and trans gender bullshit. The demand was already there, that's why the extra lanes are needed. You can't then say oh look we created demand retroactively. That's what confused people say.


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But hey! It worked for the teeming metropolis of Madison!

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But hey! It worked for the teeming metropolis of Madison!


I don't think Ike has ever driven EB on the Beltline on a weekday afternoon. It's just as trafficy as it ever was.

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the idea that more lanes doesnt help was born in college. they just expanded the beltline in madison to 4 lanes and it made a world of difference. this was after two decades of city engineers and tree huggers crying with 'facts' that it wouldnt change traffic flow.

Induced demand. It’s a real thing.


My entire point that it's not. It's a concept born in college much like homosexuality and trans gender bullshit. The demand was already there, that's why the extra lanes are needed. You can't then say oh look we created demand retroactively. That's what confused people say.


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But hey! It worked for the teeming metropolis of Madison!

Looks like it's working in the photo.

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My entire point is they needed a lot more lanes. Not just one more bro. If you keep building less lanes than you need, you get burrito libral logic response

If you say more lanes is less efficient than other forms of transportation, that is an entirely different point and irrelavent. We could be a lot more efficient as a society by eliminating showers and bathtubs in houses. Make everyone shower once a month at the community pool.

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Isn't this kinda what Marina City is?

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/busines ... 1wwbJOHpPQ

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Kind of, yeah. I know the concept behind it was like a self-contained neighborhood. But even the Wilco towers are like one-third parking garage. This Tempe thing is just a contrivance. Neighborhoods don't need to be car-free. They just shouldn't be built around and dominated by them.

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What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

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What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

I'll have to find one. There are more people like Spaulding putting flashlights under their chins about how the federal government is going to drone-strike them for driving an hour for a haircut (?) than there are actual proponents of 15-minute cities. The whole concept has been hijacked by the far right.

All I know is that cities full of expressway viaducts and surface parking are ugly, and low-density exurbs full of divided highways and big-box strip malls are also ugly. It's not an ideal or sustainable way to live.

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All while cranking Rome's version of WDRV on the radio :alien:

The obligatory "Pope Bob Stroud" mult doesn't translate to text, sadly.

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What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

I'll have to find one. There are more people like Spaulding putting flashlights under their chins about how the federal government is going to drone-strike them for driving an hour for a haircut (?) than there are actual proponents of 15-minute cities. The whole concept has been hijacked by the far right.

All I know is that cities full of expressway viaducts and surface parking are ugly, and low-density exurbs full of divided highways and big-box strip malls are also ugly. It's not an ideal or sustainable way to live.

Then move to Mayberry.

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Nardi wrote:
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What does an actual, real life 15 minute city advocate want to see?

I'll have to find one. There are more people like Spaulding putting flashlights under their chins about how the federal government is going to drone-strike them for driving an hour for a haircut (?) than there are actual proponents of 15-minute cities. The whole concept has been hijacked by the far right.

All I know is that cities full of expressway viaducts and surface parking are ugly, and low-density exurbs full of divided highways and big-box strip malls are also ugly. It's not an ideal or sustainable way to live.

Then move to Mayberry.

Arlington Heights is a nice middle ground. It's probably a 25-minute city.

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