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Tin Man got the $13M qualifying offer.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Despite his demonstrable PAWcity of basketball prowess?

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Wasn't there in season talk from him or his camp of a max contract? Delusional


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Wasn't there in season talk from him or his camp of a max contract? Delusional


No, that was fake news.

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Bulls need to ship my guy the Paw out of dodge so that he can get the hell away from clueless Billy D

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Wasn't there in season talk from him or his camp of a max contract? Delusional


No, that was fake news.


here's that fake news i was remembering
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10094216-bulls-rumors-patrick-williams-eyeing-big-numbers-on-contract-extension
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2023/10/23/patrick-williams-paid/


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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billypootons wrote:
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Wasn't there in season talk from him or his camp of a max contract? Delusional


No, that was fake news.


here's that fake news i was remembering
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10094216-bulls-rumors-patrick-williams-eyeing-big-numbers-on-contract-extension
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2023/10/23/patrick-williams-paid/


$20 mil per season isn't max money though.

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I don't think Tiin Man will ever find a heart. That said, it's a steal if he becomes whatever LTG thinks he can be.

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well it seems he is going to get the chance. It does not seem like DeRozan will be back and they are trying to trade Zach. It is time for him to become that guy

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Nas wrote:
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I don't think Tiin Man will ever find a heart. That said, it's a steal if he becomes whatever LTG thinks he can be.


It is a steal.

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well it seems he is going to get the chance. It does not seem like DeRozan will be back and they are trying to trade Zach. It is time for him to become that guy

If they jettison those 2 , then he will.

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This has to be a fucking joke


:lol: :lol: Once again a popular "CFMB INSPIRED NARRATIVE" gets soundly debunked. Shocking!

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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We will all be laughing when we are paying 20 million for 9/5/3 a night


Dearon Fox and Jalen Brunson vibe here! :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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LTG I thought you said the Bulls should trade Paw?

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I mean, he stinks, but that’s what a younger NBA starter costs I guess.


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LTG I thought you said the Bulls should trade Paw?


Only because he will never reach his full potential with Billy D as coach. And I still don't. But a man can hope can't he?

It also looks they will finally be unloading Derozan and Lavine too. That was the other part of it. No way he will ever shine with those 2 ballstoppers on the squad either.

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So their "rebuild" strategy is now to "go young"? I thought Donovan left OKC because he didn't want to be part of a youth movement?

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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This has to be a fucking joke


:lol: :lol: Once again a popular "CFMB INSPIRED NARRATIVE" gets soundly debunked. Shocking!


CFMB narrative? Who in the NBA is telling you he is worth that contract except bottom feeders like the Bulls? No serious team pays him that money.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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From ESPN's FA tracker

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Williams back to Chicago on a 5-year deal
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Agreed to re-sign forward Patrick Williams to a reported five-year, $90 million contract

Grade: D

This contract for Williams seems like the latest case of the Chicago front office overvaluing the talent on the team's own roster, which has produced below-.500 results each of the past two seasons.

The Bulls were actually better in 2023-24 after Williams was lost to a midfoot injury that required season-ending surgery. Williams' 43 starts produced a 36-win pace, and while the contrast was largely about having Alex Caruso as a replacement, it still speaks poorly of Williams' ability to help a team win at this stage in his career.

Certainly, there's a scenario where having Williams under contract from ages 23 through 27 at a yearly salary below what the average starter will command as the NBA cap increases could prove a win for Chicago. If Williams realizes the potential that made him the No. 4 pick of the 2020 draft, he could regret locking in for the maximum five years instead of getting back into free agency beforehand.

Four years into Williams' career, however, we're still waiting to see that kind of development. Williams is largely the same player he was as a teenager starting for the Bulls as a rookie. Williams has been a high-percentage 3-point shooter (40% last season, 41% career), but on such limited volume (last year's 4.5 attempts per 36 minutes were a career high) that teams don't feel compelled to guard him like a threat.

Williams' accuracy inside the arc, meanwhile, has gone the wrong direction with modestly more responsibility on offense. Last season's 47% was a career low, and it meant Williams scored with below-average efficiency (.553 true shooting, compared with the league average of .580) in a smaller-than-average role (17% usage).

If Williams were a lockdown defender, that kind of offensive production might be acceptable for a starter. Though he's certainly versatile, showing the ability to defend all three wing spots at 6-foot-7, Williams hasn't made a consistently positive impact on defense. In fact, adjusted plus-minus data shows Williams as a below-average defender after factoring in teammates, opponents and shooting luck.

The biggest problem is that Chicago's other overpays -- most notably to re-sign Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic -- give the team little margin for error when it comes to contracts. With 13 players under contract, including second-year wing Onuralp Bitim with a non-guaranteed salary, the Bulls now stand about $22 million below the projected luxury tax line before re-signing unrestricted free agent DeMar DeRozan.

Paying the luxury tax as a likely play-in team is an untenable situation for Chicago, and while some relief is coming when the contract of injured guard Lonzo Ball ends after this season, the Bulls' ability to improve their roster outside of internal development is compromised by their lack of financial flexibility. Williams must take a considerable step forward in his development to ensure we aren't saying the same thing about his contract in a few seasons.


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Juiced wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
This has to be a fucking joke


:lol: :lol: Once again a popular "CFMB INSPIRED NARRATIVE" gets soundly debunked. Shocking!


CFMB narrative? Who in the NBA is telling you he is worth that contract except bottom feeders like the Bulls? No serious team pays him that money.


2 Of the best GMs in the game that were about to sign him to an offer sheet. I based it off of their opinions of his value. Not guys on a message board like Caller Bob who didn't watch 2 seconds of a Bulls game last year.

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So their "rebuild" strategy is now to "go young"? I thought Donovan left OKC because he didn't want to be part of a youth movement?


Yep. Sort of tells you everything you need to know about his ability to "develop" young talent. I think he's whacked after this upcoming season. They made him revamp his coaching staff with at least one being an Ex NBA head coach. Definitely a sign that he is on the hot seat.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Patrick Williams will always create a robust market for incompetent GMs and no nothing fans. His true market value is closer to mid-level exception type money and nothing more.

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So their "rebuild" strategy is now to "go young"? I thought Donovan left OKC because he didn't want to be part of a youth movement?


Yep. Sort of tells you everything you need to know about his ability to "develop" young talent. I think he's whacked after this upcoming season. They made him revamp his coaching staff with at least one being an Ex NBA head coach. Definitely a sign that he is on the hot seat.

Re-signing Williams is a shot to the bow of the the USS Donovan. You CAN'T have a wing parked at the 3 point line. And as JJ says a lot, you can't have a wing that is a minus guy on the margins. He obviously needs to score the ball more but he also needs to be better defensively and on the boards. Something he most certainly can do with some 'git er done'.


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