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It looks as if AK's plan is to accumulate a team full of young, talented players with 3-4 years of NBA experience and rollout from there. It actually might not be a terrible plan. He has to get something for Lavine, Vuc and Derozan though. It can't be simply a salary dump.


That's exactly what they appear to be doing.

I think they are likely stuck with Vuc and Zach (maybe both, but at least 1) until the trade deadline. That contract that Zach has is nearly impossible to move.

It looks like they are will have a younger core of Coby, Ayo, Giddey, Williams, Buzelis, Jalen Smith, Phillips....but then these large contracts like Zach/Vuc/Ball hanging over them with a few of the remaining bottom of the roster players like Terry, Craig, Carter.....

Normally this team would be brutal and probably would struggle to win more than 25 games, but the East has a lot of trash so this team is probably going to get into the 30-35 win area...I don't think there is any superstar in this group unless Buzelis becomes that, but the best players on this team, like Coby specifically, is a 4th or 5th options on a good team. The rest of these guys are borderline starters, maybe bench players. Giddey and Buzelis can become clear cut starters, same with Coby, but it's hard to see this team competing without landing a major talent influx if they keep/obtain a top pick in next year's draft.


Depending on what AK wants to do, he does have some flexibility. At least with Vuc and Ball I believe. As an expiring contracts ge should be able to get off Ball. He may have to wait until the season begins though. Vuc is making about $20, mil, still productive offensively, and extremely durable. With 2 years left they should be able to move him too. I just believe that it will come down to whether AK wants to tank or not. If he moves all 3, he should be able to secure a few starters as well as rotation players out of the deal.

He also should be able to do a sign and trade for Derozan. Problem is that it's tough to find the right fit for Derozan's game among contending teams. He wants to play for a contender buy it takes 2 to dance.


As much as I think Vuc was a bad signing to begin with, horrible defensively and declining in general....and don't get me wrong, my preference would be to trade him, but I think it's a tough sell with 2 years left because other teams see the same things we can see. Saying that, even before it became clear that the Bulls were going to do more of a youth movement off-season, I would have been satisfied with reducing Vuc's importance/role some. If Jalen Smith is really a via-able option, they now have the makings of a rotation at center and can use use Vuc less (say 25 minutes per night with more of an emphasis against teams that are more favorable to his style).

Agreed on Ball. Nobody is going to be trading for him for any kind of help on the floor, but an expiring contract can have value so maybe there's something they can eventually do there.

DeRozan is now talking about taking a 1 year deal and going back into free agency next season. I'm not sure if they have the money, but a team like Denver could make sense if he wants to be on a winning team and willing to take a reduced role. I think they lost both Jackson and Pope so bringing in a scorer in a 6th man type role could be a landing spot, but I just don't know if his style of play fits into most teams these days.


I don't think Derozan would ever accept a reduced role though. He's one of the guy's that will say that he wants to win, but it has to be on his own terms. I can't see accepting anything less than being the #2 option. And that's even on a contending team. I think an ideal role for him would be that of 6th man scorer off the bench. But I don't believe he wants that role at this stage of his career.

In terms of Vuc I still believe someone would take that salary on. He's still a legitimate Starting NBA center. $20 mil per year is about the norm for one of those.

I keep hearing the team to watch is Golden State. They really need another scorer to pair with Curry now that Clay has moved on. Clearly Zac would be my preference, but the Warriors don't seem that interested (they allegedly turned down a trade involving Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins previously). Derozan could makes some sense there though.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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It looks as if AK's plan is to accumulate a team full of young, talented players with 3-4 years of NBA experience and rollout from there. It actually might not be a terrible plan. He has to get something for Lavine, Vuc and Derozan though. It can't be simply a salary dump.


That's exactly what they appear to be doing.

I think they are likely stuck with Vuc and Zach (maybe both, but at least 1) until the trade deadline. That contract that Zach has is nearly impossible to move.

It looks like they are will have a younger core of Coby, Ayo, Giddey, Williams, Buzelis, Jalen Smith, Phillips....but then these large contracts like Zach/Vuc/Ball hanging over them with a few of the remaining bottom of the roster players like Terry, Craig, Carter.....

Normally this team would be brutal and probably would struggle to win more than 25 games, but the East has a lot of trash so this team is probably going to get into the 30-35 win area...I don't think there is any superstar in this group unless Buzelis becomes that, but the best players on this team, like Coby specifically, is a 4th or 5th options on a good team. The rest of these guys are borderline starters, maybe bench players. Giddey and Buzelis can become clear cut starters, same with Coby, but it's hard to see this team competing without landing a major talent influx if they keep/obtain a top pick in next year's draft.


Depending on what AK wants to do, he does have some flexibility. At least with Vuc and Ball I believe. As an expiring contracts ge should be able to get off Ball. He may have to wait until the season begins though. Vuc is making about $20, mil, still productive offensively, and extremely durable. With 2 years left they should be able to move him too. I just believe that it will come down to whether AK wants to tank or not. If he moves all 3, he should be able to secure a few starters as well as rotation players out of the deal.

He also should be able to do a sign and trade for Derozan. Problem is that it's tough to find the right fit for Derozan's game among contending teams. He wants to play for a contender buy it takes 2 to dance.


As much as I think Vuc was a bad signing to begin with, horrible defensively and declining in general....and don't get me wrong, my preference would be to trade him, but I think it's a tough sell with 2 years left because other teams see the same things we can see. Saying that, even before it became clear that the Bulls were going to do more of a youth movement off-season, I would have been satisfied with reducing Vuc's importance/role some. If Jalen Smith is really a via-able option, they now have the makings of a rotation at center and can use use Vuc less (say 25 minutes per night with more of an emphasis against teams that are more favorable to his style).

Agreed on Ball. Nobody is going to be trading for him for any kind of help on the floor, but an expiring contract can have value so maybe there's something they can eventually do there.

DeRozan is now talking about taking a 1 year deal and going back into free agency next season. I'm not sure if they have the money, but a team like Denver could make sense if he wants to be on a winning team and willing to take a reduced role. I think they lost both Jackson and Pope so bringing in a scorer in a 6th man type role could be a landing spot, but I just don't know if his style of play fits into most teams these days.


I don't think Derozan would ever accept a reduced role though. He's one of the guy's that will say that he wants to win, but it has to be on his own terms. I can't see accepting anything less than being the #2 option. And that's even on a contending team. I think an ideal role for him would be that of 6th man scorer off the bench. But I don't believe he wants that role at this stage of his career.

In terms of Vuc I still believe someone would take that salary on. He's still a legitimate Starting NBA center. $20 mil per year is about the norm for one of those.

I keep hearing the team to watch is Golden State. They really need another scorer to pair with Curry now that Clay has moved on. Clearly Zac would be my preference, but the Warriors don't seem that interested (they allegedly turned down a trade involving Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins previously). Derozan could makes some sense there though.


They are the No. 1 trade destination for me too. They have to try and stay competitive in order to maximize Steph Curry's final few seasons. I don't think they want to go into full rebuild mode with that being the case. I don't think they have cap space to sign Derozan outright. Anything with them would have to be via a sign and trade.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Depending on what AK wants to do, he does have some flexibility. At least with Vuc and Ball I believe. As an expiring contracts ge should be able to get off Ball. He may have to wait until the season begins though. Vuc is making about $20, mil, still productive offensively, and extremely durable. With 2 years left they should be able to move him too. I just believe that it will come down to whether AK wants to tank or not. If he moves all 3, he should be able to secure a few starters as well as rotation players out of the deal.

He also should be able to do a sign and trade for Derozan. Problem is that it's tough to find the right fit for Derozan's game among contending teams. He wants to play for a contender buy it takes 2 to dance.


As much as I think Vuc was a bad signing to begin with, horrible defensively and declining in general....and don't get me wrong, my preference would be to trade him, but I think it's a tough sell with 2 years left because other teams see the same things we can see. Saying that, even before it became clear that the Bulls were going to do more of a youth movement off-season, I would have been satisfied with reducing Vuc's importance/role some. If Jalen Smith is really a via-able option, they now have the makings of a rotation at center and can use use Vuc less (say 25 minutes per night with more of an emphasis against teams that are more favorable to his style).

Agreed on Ball. Nobody is going to be trading for him for any kind of help on the floor, but an expiring contract can have value so maybe there's something they can eventually do there.

DeRozan is now talking about taking a 1 year deal and going back into free agency next season. I'm not sure if they have the money, but a team like Denver could make sense if he wants to be on a winning team and willing to take a reduced role. I think they lost both Jackson and Pope so bringing in a scorer in a 6th man type role could be a landing spot, but I just don't know if his style of play fits into most teams these days.


I don't think Derozan would ever accept a reduced role though. He's one of the guy's that will say that he wants to win, but it has to be on his own terms. I can't see accepting anything less than being the #2 option. And that's even on a contending team. I think an ideal role for him would be that of 6th man scorer off the bench. But I don't believe he wants that role at this stage of his career.

In terms of Vuc I still believe someone would take that salary on. He's still a legitimate Starting NBA center. $20 mil per year is about the norm for one of those.

I keep hearing the team to watch is Golden State. They really need another scorer to pair with Curry now that Clay has moved on. Clearly Zac would be my preference, but the Warriors don't seem that interested (they allegedly turned down a trade involving Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins previously). Derozan could makes some sense there though.


They are the No. 1 trade destination for me too. They have to try and stay competitive in order to maximize Steph Curry's final few seasons. I don't think they want to go into full rebuild mode with that being the case. I don't think they have cap space to sign Derozan outright. Anything with them would have to be via a sign and trade.
I feel like they would need to get a 3rd team involved to make that work. Now that Paul is gone, the only tradeable salary they have is Wiggins - who I don't think fits on the Bulls in a rebuild.
Sacramento is another team mentioned for Zac with Barnes, Huerter & some mid-level salary coming back (preferably a PF). Barnes would be ok off the bench but they clearly don't need Huerter.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Depending on what AK wants to do, he does have some flexibility. At least with Vuc and Ball I believe. As an expiring contracts ge should be able to get off Ball. He may have to wait until the season begins though. Vuc is making about $20, mil, still productive offensively, and extremely durable. With 2 years left they should be able to move him too. I just believe that it will come down to whether AK wants to tank or not. If he moves all 3, he should be able to secure a few starters as well as rotation players out of the deal.

He also should be able to do a sign and trade for Derozan. Problem is that it's tough to find the right fit for Derozan's game among contending teams. He wants to play for a contender buy it takes 2 to dance.


As much as I think Vuc was a bad signing to begin with, horrible defensively and declining in general....and don't get me wrong, my preference would be to trade him, but I think it's a tough sell with 2 years left because other teams see the same things we can see. Saying that, even before it became clear that the Bulls were going to do more of a youth movement off-season, I would have been satisfied with reducing Vuc's importance/role some. If Jalen Smith is really a via-able option, they now have the makings of a rotation at center and can use use Vuc less (say 25 minutes per night with more of an emphasis against teams that are more favorable to his style).

Agreed on Ball. Nobody is going to be trading for him for any kind of help on the floor, but an expiring contract can have value so maybe there's something they can eventually do there.

DeRozan is now talking about taking a 1 year deal and going back into free agency next season. I'm not sure if they have the money, but a team like Denver could make sense if he wants to be on a winning team and willing to take a reduced role. I think they lost both Jackson and Pope so bringing in a scorer in a 6th man type role could be a landing spot, but I just don't know if his style of play fits into most teams these days.


I don't think Derozan would ever accept a reduced role though. He's one of the guy's that will say that he wants to win, but it has to be on his own terms. I can't see accepting anything less than being the #2 option. And that's even on a contending team. I think an ideal role for him would be that of 6th man scorer off the bench. But I don't believe he wants that role at this stage of his career.

In terms of Vuc I still believe someone would take that salary on. He's still a legitimate Starting NBA center. $20 mil per year is about the norm for one of those.

I keep hearing the team to watch is Golden State. They really need another scorer to pair with Curry now that Clay has moved on. Clearly Zac would be my preference, but the Warriors don't seem that interested (they allegedly turned down a trade involving Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins previously). Derozan could makes some sense there though.


They are the No. 1 trade destination for me too. They have to try and stay competitive in order to maximize Steph Curry's final few seasons. I don't think they want to go into full rebuild mode with that being the case. I don't think they have cap space to sign Derozan outright. Anything with them would have to be via a sign and trade.
I feel like they would need to get a 3rd team involved to make that work. Now that Paul is gone, the only tradeable salary they have is Wiggins - who I don't think fits on the Bulls in a rebuild.
Sacramento is another team mentioned for Zac with Barnes, Huerter & some mid-level salary coming back (preferably a PF). Barnes would be ok off the bench but they clearly don't need Huerter.


Yeah Bulls are in a tricky spot with Lavine, but there will always be someone who views him as a missing piece and decides to pull the trigger on a trade. What Lavine has in his favor is that he is still only 29. There are still a few teams in win now mode, but unfortunately all you can expect from them is junk in the way of expiring contracts and draft picks. You won't ever acquire an NBA player that fits into the plans from one of those squads.

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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

Bulls can pay him. They offered. I doubt it's still on the table though. It's fucking nuts if it still is.

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Nardi wrote:
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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

Bulls can pay him. They offered. I doubt it's still on the table though. It's fucking nuts if it still is.


They actually can't. They would have to move Lavine in order to pay him. The 2 year $mil dollar deal that was sort of talked about but never offered was contingent upon them trading Lavine. The Bulls never spoke to Derozan during the period that you could exclusively negotiate with your own player. That's why he's looking elsewhere. I hope they don't bring him back.

The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.

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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

Bulls can pay him. They offered. I doubt it's still on the table though. It's fucking nuts if it still is.


They actually can't. They would have to move Lavine in order to pay him. The 2 year $mil dollar deal that was sort of talked about but never offered was contingent upon them trading Lavine. The Bulls never spoke to Derozan during the period that you could exclusively negotiate with your own player. That's why he's looking elsewhere. I hope they don't bring him back.

The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.

I never heard any contingencies. 2 years 60 mildough.
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

Bulls can pay him. They offered. I doubt it's still on the table though. It's fucking nuts if it still is.


They actually can't. They would have to move Lavine in order to pay him. The 2 year $mil dollar deal that was sort of talked about but never offered was contingent upon them trading Lavine. The Bulls never spoke to Derozan during the period that you could exclusively negotiate with your own player. That's why he's looking elsewhere. I hope they don't bring him back.

The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.


I don't think there's any chance for Chicago to sign him. They have moved on, changed direction.

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BD wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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GS just traded for Kyle Anderson (from Minny) on a 3 year/$27M deal. Does anyone know if that means they are likely out on DeRozan?

Sacramento has been rumored to be interested in Zach, but even that now seems to be more media driven because they were interested in him when he hit free agency originally. We're running out of teams though for Zach or DeMar.

Still also curious on the Lakers/DeMar, but I think it would have to be a 1 year type deal to a team that can use a 3rd/4th option like Denver/LAL.


Neither the Lakers nor Bulls can afford to pay Derozan. He's definitely gone from the Bulls it seems. He is in a terrible position if he wants to get paid. The Only Contending team with the Cap Space to pay him was Philly but they preferred Paul George.

Bulls can pay him. They offered. I doubt it's still on the table though. It's fucking nuts if it still is.


They actually can't. They would have to move Lavine in order to pay him. The 2 year $mil dollar deal that was sort of talked about but never offered was contingent upon them trading Lavine. The Bulls never spoke to Derozan during the period that you could exclusively negotiate with your own player. That's why he's looking elsewhere. I hope they don't bring him back.

The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.


I don't think there's any chance for Chicago to sign him. They have moved on, changed direction.

Is GS definitely out with the trade they made today?


No he'd still be in play with them

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The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.
This. From what I've read online, they are about $12M under the cap at the moment without Derozan. I suppose it's possible he takes a 1 yr deal in that range with the Bulls if he can't get anything better in the FA market, but I doubt it. I believe he could sign the mid-level exception on a team already over the cap (but not in luxury territory) for a bit over that amount, so I would think he would pick a team with a better chance at winning.

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The Bulls would have to pay into the luxury tax in order to sign Derozan. And we know that they will never do that.
This. From what I've read online, they are about $12M under the cap at the moment without Derozan. I suppose it's possible he takes a 1 yr deal in that range with the Bulls if he can't get anything better in the FA market, but I doubt it. I believe he could sign the mid-level exception on a team already over the cap (but not in luxury territory) for a bit over that amount, so I would think he would pick a team with a better chance at winning.


Yeah if the money is all relative anyway then he's going to go play for a winner. Truth be told I believe that they are ready to move on from Derozan but just don't want to say it publicly.
The Bulls 2 top priorities going into the offseason were Trading Lavine and Resigning The Paw. And once they resigned the Paw that sort of confirmed that Derozan is toast.
The Paw has been lobbying hard in order to play the 3, which is his natural position. That never was going to occur with Derozan around. Now that they have (in theory) made a 5 year commitment to Williams, they have to allow him to play his natural position.
And even minus the Paw, Derozan still doesn't fit. Everyone focuses on his not being a 3 point shooter. That really isn't the problem. It's his iso style, slowdown game which is the problem. You can't talk about pushing and forcing tempo as long you trot him out as your best player. Ain't going to happen

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Who is that dude? The draft capital thing is suspect these days because unless you're trading away a superstar the pick will be protected. No one is trading you a top 5 or even 10 pick for any of those guys. And in essence Giddey is a top 2- 3 pick in this year's draft if he'd have been available

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I dont know, saw it in a Bulls group I check out. But it has been pretty well documented that there were offers for Caruso and Drummond. Not sure on DeMar, but makes sense. But ownership told AK that they had to push for the playoffs.

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I dont know, saw it in a Bulls group I check out. But it has been pretty well documented that there were offers for Caruso and Drummond. Not sure on DeMar, but makes sense. But ownership told AK that they had to push for the playoffs.

Do you think Pat Riley would dutifully take orders of this sort from his owner?

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I dont know, saw it in a Bulls group I check out. But it has been pretty well documented that there were offers for Caruso and Drummond. Not sure on DeMar, but makes sense. But ownership told AK that they had to push for the playoffs.


The Best time to move on was around the 23 deadline. They could have gotten a solid return had they decided to move on from Derozan Lavine Vuc and Caruso back then. Once they didn't , they were screwed

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I dont know, saw it in a Bulls group I check out. But it has been pretty well documented that there were offers for Caruso and Drummond. Not sure on DeMar, but makes sense. But ownership told AK that they had to push for the playoffs.

Do you think Pat Riley would dutifully take orders of this sort from his owner?

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Few reports suggesting that Derozan has turned down a few mid level exception deals already.

Hopefully the Bulls can workout a sign and trade for him soon.

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Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.

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Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.


Supposedly the Bulls want players and not just contracts. Huerter and Barnes wouldn't be bad for Derozan. That's what's been rumored.

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Lucky to get anything. He's a free agent. Huerter's fine. I'll take it. Don't F this up making demands, GM Style

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Lucky to get anything. He's a free agent. Huerter's fine. I'll take it. Don't F this up making demands, GM Style


To meet his asking price teams are going to have unload players. It's just a question of who.

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Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.

The Chicago Bulls agreed to a sign and trade agreement with the Sacramento Kings on Saturday night that sends six-time NBA All-Star DeMar DeRozan to the Kings. The deal also included the San Antonio Spurs, who acquired Harrison Barnes from Sacramento in the deal. The Bulls will be receiving Chris Duarte and two second round picks. As part of the sign and trade agreement, DeRozan will be joining Sacramento on a three-year, $74 million contract.

Duarte, the 13th overall pick in the 2021 NBA Draft, averaged 13.1 points as a rookie for the Indiana Pacers. He owns career averages of 8.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 160 games, including 62 starts. The wing is a career 34.7 percent 3-point shooter.

The Bulls also will create a trade exception of roughly $17 million, although they currently sit roughly $4.5 million below the luxury tax line with 15 contracts.

They also will continue their efforts to trade Zach LaVine---and now have two second-round picks to possibly attach as assets in that quest.

“That doesn’t mean his work is done. The Bulls continue to shop Zach LaVine aggressively and have been looking for a new home for Nikola Vucevic.” – Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun Times

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There is one radical idea that Chicago probably hasn't considered yet, and that is to pair Vučević with Lonzo Ball in exchange for an expiring max contract from another team.

Doing so would be a thrifty move for the Bulls' (as it would trim Vučević's two-year salary down to an incoming expiring), and parting ways with Ball would balance out Chicago's depth chart, which is overcrowded with ball handlers.

At the same time, one might reasonably wonder, who would willingly trade for Lonzo Ball right now?

The answer: the team that could part ways with Ben Simmons by doing so.

Before laughing out loud at a potential Simmons for Vučević-Ball exchange between the Brooklyn Nets and Bulls, take a moment to consider the current state of both franchises.

Chicago is motivated to lose as many games as possible next season to retain its top-10 selection in the important 2025 NBA Draft.

If the above trade were to happen, the Bulls could basically decide to eat Simmons' expiring contract and not play him in 2024-25 (if he's available to suit up, in the first place) and then move on from Simmons next June.

For the Nets, who presumably also plan to let Simmons walk next summer, getting any value in return for Simmons would be a massive victory.

Vučević is still a productive starting center and scorer who would pair nicely next to defensive-minded Nic Claxton in Brooklyn's frontcourt.

Ball is a huge risk, of course, but who wouldn't rather have his expiring contract than Simmons's, especially if Ball is healthy again (as has been reported) and plays himself back into trade value before February?

A deal that appears like a joke at the outset is actually a serious possibility. The money works, and the Bulls have no need for Ball in a backcourt already comprised of Josh Giddey, Coby White, and Ayo Dosunmu.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.

The Chicago Bulls agreed to a sign and trade agreement with the Sacramento Kings on Saturday night that sends six-time NBA All-Star DeMar DeRozan to the Kings. The deal also included the San Antonio Spurs, who acquired Harrison Barnes from Sacramento in the deal. The Bulls will be receiving Chris Duarte and two second round picks. As part of the sign and trade agreement, DeRozan will be joining Sacramento on a three-year, $74 million contract.

Duarte, the 13th overall pick in the 2021 NBA Draft, averaged 13.1 points as a rookie for the Indiana Pacers. He owns career averages of 8.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 160 games, including 62 starts. The wing is a career 34.7 percent 3-point shooter.

The Bulls also will create a trade exception of roughly $17 million, although they currently sit roughly $4.5 million below the luxury tax line with 15 contracts.

They also will continue their efforts to trade Zach LaVine---and now have two second-round picks to possibly attach as assets in that quest.

“That doesn’t mean his work is done. The Bulls continue to shop Zach LaVine aggressively and have been looking for a new home for Nikola Vucevic.” – Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun Times


Another guard. Duarte had a really Rookie Season and then fell off after that.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.

The Chicago Bulls agreed to a sign and trade agreement with the Sacramento Kings on Saturday night that sends six-time NBA All-Star DeMar DeRozan to the Kings. The deal also included the San Antonio Spurs, who acquired Harrison Barnes from Sacramento in the deal. The Bulls will be receiving Chris Duarte and two second round picks. As part of the sign and trade agreement, DeRozan will be joining Sacramento on a three-year, $74 million contract.

Duarte, the 13th overall pick in the 2021 NBA Draft, averaged 13.1 points as a rookie for the Indiana Pacers. He owns career averages of 8.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 160 games, including 62 starts. The wing is a career 34.7 percent 3-point shooter.

The Bulls also will create a trade exception of roughly $17 million, although they currently sit roughly $4.5 million below the luxury tax line with 15 contracts.

They also will continue their efforts to trade Zach LaVine---and now have two second-round picks to possibly attach as assets in that quest.

“That doesn’t mean his work is done. The Bulls continue to shop Zach LaVine aggressively and have been looking for a new home for Nikola Vucevic.” – Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun Times


Another guard. Duarte had a really Rookie Season and then fell off after that.
Coming out of college he was considered to be a good shooter and defender, which the Bulls desperately need. You are correct about him falling off after his rookie season however. I can’t claim to have seen much of him, but looking at season stats it looks like his numbers dropped off the last 2 yrs when they used him primarily as a 3 rather than a 2. Maybe AK envisions guys playing better at their natural position - PAW, Coby, Giddey and now Duarte would seem to be potential beneficiaries. They’ve become young, long and athletic within a couple of weeks. Still need shooting and a rim protector but I suspect that will wait til next season. Ok by me. Young and improving (hopefully) will be more entertaining than old and mediocre.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Sounds like the Kings maybe an option for a sign/trade for DeRozan.

Did not really see that one coming.

The Chicago Bulls agreed to a sign and trade agreement with the Sacramento Kings on Saturday night that sends six-time NBA All-Star DeMar DeRozan to the Kings. The deal also included the San Antonio Spurs, who acquired Harrison Barnes from Sacramento in the deal. The Bulls will be receiving Chris Duarte and two second round picks. As part of the sign and trade agreement, DeRozan will be joining Sacramento on a three-year, $74 million contract.

Duarte, the 13th overall pick in the 2021 NBA Draft, averaged 13.1 points as a rookie for the Indiana Pacers. He owns career averages of 8.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 160 games, including 62 starts. The wing is a career 34.7 percent 3-point shooter.

The Bulls also will create a trade exception of roughly $17 million, although they currently sit roughly $4.5 million below the luxury tax line with 15 contracts.

They also will continue their efforts to trade Zach LaVine---and now have two second-round picks to possibly attach as assets in that quest.

“That doesn’t mean his work is done. The Bulls continue to shop Zach LaVine aggressively and have been looking for a new home for Nikola Vucevic.” – Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun Times


Another guard. Duarte had a really Rookie Season and then fell off after that.
Coming out of college he was considered to be a good shooter and defender, which the Bulls desperately need. You are correct about him falling off after his rookie season however. I can’t claim to have seen much of him, but looking at season stats it looks like his numbers dropped off the last 2 yrs when they used him primarily as a 3 rather than a 2. Maybe AK envisions guys playing better at their natural position - PAW, Coby, Giddey and now Duarte would seem to be potential beneficiaries. They’ve become young, long and athletic within a couple of weeks. Still need shooting and a rim protector but I suspect that will wait til next season. Ok by me. Young and improving (hopefully) will be more entertaining than old and mediocre.


I believe the lack of size is more of a Billy D thing than it AK. I think Billy D wants to play small thus they actively talent undersized players

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