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I guess we now know what the holdup was all about.

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... rt/577714/

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But it didn't end there. After the Bears announced Williams signed his deal, Florio revealed Williams' camp made other attempts to help the rookie signal caller earn untaxed money.

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According to Florio, Williams' camp attempted to convince the Bears to pay Williams as an LLC (Limited Liability Company). In Illinois, LLCs have zero income tax filing requirements, meaning Williams wouldn't have to pay taxes on his four-year contract worth $39 million.

Another attempt Williams' camp made was earning a forgivable loan, which would have resulted in "Williams getting the money tax-free until the loan was forgiven, as many as 10 years into the future," Florio reported.

The Bears, according to Florio, went to the NFL with both of these proposals, finding no evidence they were invalid in the NFL's CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement).

But the league nixed both of the proposals

The NFL told the Bears player's money can't go to a business entity other than the player, per the report. There was no reason given for why the league axed the idea of a forgivable loan.

The clauses Williams' team pitched could've been historic. No rookie NFL player has ever notched a clause in their first deal to exclude the prospect of a franchise tag from the future. And no player has ever been paid in the form of an LLC or through a loan


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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?

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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?


It sounds like a plan hatched by writers in a sit com meeting.

Williams didn't use an agent because rookie contracts are boilerplate. Then he proffered non boilerplate conditions that would have been aided by having an agent. It's like when that guy who ran over all those people at the christmas parade in wisconsin represented himself at the trial.

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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?

Those seem to be the kind of things that get you put in jail if you try or at least you get a strongly worded letter from the IRS asking for more information.

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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?

Those seem to be the kind of things that get you put in jail if you try or at least you get a strongly worded letter from the IRS asking for more information.


MANY are doing some version of the LLC thing without going to prison.

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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?


It sounds like a plan hatched by writers in a sit com meeting.

Williams didn't use an agent because rookie contracts are boilerplate. Then he proffered non boilerplate conditions that would have been aided by having an agent. It's like when that guy who ran over all those people at the christmas parade in wisconsin represented himself at the trial.


Why would have they been aided by having an agent? He has a former agent on his team, IIRC. He would have paid an agent 1-3% just for the NFL to say no. He's still paying a lot of lawers, so you should be happy, my friend.

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The loan thing is an obvious cap circumvention and that had no chance of getting approved. The LLC thing is interesting. So in theory any of us can incorporate an LLC and if we can get our employers to pay the LLC we don't need to pay Illinois income taxes?

Those seem to be the kind of things that get you put in jail if you try or at least you get a strongly worded letter from the IRS asking for more information.


MANY are doing some version of the LLC thing without going to prison.
You'll get away with it a lot easier when you aren't making millions.

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I would think the LLC would still have to pay income tax or distribute the money to an individual who’d have to pay income tax if they’re an S corp.

Unless he’s routing all of his expenses through the LLC, I don’t get how it’d help him that much.

That said, I’m supportive of him doing anything he can do to reduce his tax bill.

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I would think the LLC would still have to pay income tax or distribute the money to an individual who’d have to pay income tax if they’re an S corp.

Unless he’s routing all of his expenses through the LLC, I don’t get how it’d help him that much.

That said, I’m supportive of him doing anything he can do to reduce his tax bill.

I assume the idea was that he would form an LLC in another state, have the Bears pay the LLC, and then he would pay himself in another state from the LLC and avoid income tax in anywhere but the state his LLC is based.

But, as someone with some experience with LLCs, this is a good way to have long conversations with the IRS or whatever the Illinois IRS is called and to find yourself going down the Wesley Snipes path.

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I would think the LLC would still have to pay income tax or distribute the money to an individual who’d have to pay income tax if they’re an S corp.

Unless he’s routing all of his expenses through the LLC, I don’t get how it’d help him that much.

That said, I’m supportive of him doing anything he can do to reduce his tax bill.

I assume the idea was that he would form an LLC in another state, have the Bears pay the LLC, and then he would pay himself in another state from the LLC and avoid income tax in anywhere but the state his LLC is based.

But, as someone with some experience with LLCs, this is a good way to have long conversations with the IRS or whatever the Illinois IRS is called and to find yourself going down the Wesley Snipes path.

I thought athletes earn their money (for tax purposes) where they work though. Jock tax or some such governmental absurdity.

Meaning that no matter how many billions Jordan Love earns, Illinois gets to tax him on 1/17 of his earnings for however many decades he plays on GB.

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I thought athletes earn their money (for tax purposes) where they work though. Jock tax or some such governmental absurdity.

Meaning that no matter how many billions Jordan Love earns, Illinois gets to tax him on 1/17 of his earnings for however many decades he plays on GB.

I think that is what he was trying to avoid but that's also why the state of Illinois would be very interested in the reasons why an LLC from a tax-free state was being paid by the labor of Caleb Williams.

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He should have learned the Chicago Way and had the Bears pay a contractor to build him a house off the books as part of his compensation package...or give him use of a private jet and stay at the Four Seasons to scout Tahiti for prospects after the end of the season

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Away from the team injuries or sickness.

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It’s for when you trip over your dog at home..

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It’s for when you trip over your dog at home..


:lol: :lol:

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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.

What are we talking about here?


He missed the first day of camp due to a personal issue.

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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.


It's a long season you really are going to gave to step up your troll game.














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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.


It's a long season you really are going to gave to step up your troll game.











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Nah, the Packers been trolling the Bears for years.

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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.

What are we talking about here?


He missed the first day of camp due to a personal issue.

So we're talking about practice? Now I'm not shoving it aside, I know the importance. I do, I honestly do.


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Hawg Ass wrote:
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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.


It's a long season you really are going to gave to step up your troll game.











Oink Oink!!!!


Nah, the Packers been trolling the Bears for years.


The past is for cowards and losers.

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Nas wrote:
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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.


It's a long season you really are going to gave to step up your troll game.











Oink Oink!!!!


Nah, the Packers been trolling the Bears for years.


The past is for cowards and losers.

Does that make you feel better?

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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Good to see Rome taking the Iverson approach to practice.


It's a long season you really are going to gave to step up your troll game.











Oink Oink!!!!


Nah, the Packers been trolling the Bears for years.


The past is for cowards and losers.

Does that make you feel better?


Not really. The hope is that it makes you feel worse. If so, mission accomplished.

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Not really. The hope is that it makes you feel worse. If so, mission accomplished.
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