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She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


After what you have seen in the last day, it is naive to think voters matter.

The money is behind her. She is the candidate. Fin.


Yeah, it wasn't obvious at any point in American history prior to the past 24 hours that the voting public is irrelevant to the operation of our government, which the great political philosopher Sheldon Wolin famously labeled an "inverted form of totalitarianism" more than 15 years ago.

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She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.

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After what you have seen in the last day, it is naive to think voters matter.

The money is behind her. She is the candidate. Fin.
She's the favorite but let's say next Monday she is polling lower than Biden.

One candidate simply has to get 300 of about 4,000 delegates to sign a petition to put him/her/they/them onto the ballot. The next step would be to choose whoever between the two is "most likely to beat Trump" which is how they got Biden out. I don't think anyone really thinks Harris has a better chance to beat Trump than any of the other options.

It will likely be Harris but she has a week to show she is up for the task.


These people are mostly Bidenites. They're going to follow his lead. He wanted it to be Kamala, and they'll vote that way.

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She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.

I think she'll prove competent enough to not be replaced within the first week. I just hope they don't give her COVID too in order to lock her away so they can replace her like they did to our guy Joe.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Brick wrote:
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She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


After what you have seen in the last day, it is naive to think voters matter.

The money is behind her. She is the candidate. Fin.

Money is certainly key since she is apparently the only one who can legally access the cash already in the Biden/Harris coffers. Also, if they choose someone like Whitmer they risk alienating black women. If it were one of the other Governor's mentioned they would also risk losing women in general - which is their strongest constituency following the Roe decision.


She won't pick another woman.

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Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.

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Tall Midget wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


After what you have seen in the last day, it is naive to think voters matter.

The money is behind her. She is the candidate. Fin.


Yeah, it wasn't obvious at any point in American history prior to the past 24 hours that the voting public is irrelevant to the operation of our government, which the great political philosopher Sheldon Wolin famously labeled an "inverted form of totalitarianism" more than 15 years ago.


I didn't say it wasn't but there are moments the reality is amplified.

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Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.

I think she'll prove competent enough to not be replaced within the first week. I just hope they don't give her COVID too in order to lock her away so they can replace her like they did to our guy Joe.


Our guy conveniently getting covid was a clear sign that there would be weekend negotiations around his assassination.

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good dolphin wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


After what you have seen in the last day, it is naive to think voters matter.

The money is behind her. She is the candidate. Fin.

Money is certainly key since she is apparently the only one who can legally access the cash already in the Biden/Harris coffers. Also, if they choose someone like Whitmer they risk alienating black women. If it were one of the other Governor's mentioned they would also risk losing women in general - which is their strongest constituency following the Roe decision.


She won't pick another woman.
Maybe, but that is irrelevant if she is at the top of the ticket. My point was it would be problematic to replace her with a white guy.

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Our guy conveniently getting covid was a clear sign that there would be weekend negotiations around his assassination.
We should have known when people in his administration stopped wearing masks that this would be the end result.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


There was a near zero chance she would have been the candidate after a traditional primary (I know, thing happen). I think there is an almost equally small chance she would win against any legitimate republican than Trump in a general election.

This is the only avenue by which Kamala Harris could hope to be POTUS.

Hillary Clinton is in her mansion screaming "why did I not think of this?"

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


:lol:

I'm not sure that saying "we're replacing one candidate we shoved down your throat with another candidate we're going to shove down your throat" makes this a more democratic process.

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Dumbass, you've already got the Nazi vote locked up. The concern would be the 1.5M Muslim voters.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


Yeah, I think the people trying to call this "anti-democratic" are off base. Democrats can choose their fighter anyway they want. Though constantly shifting rules to sideline Bernie, RFK, Jr., etc. is shitty. If you don't like it you don't have to be Democrat.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


:lol:

I'm not sure that saying "we're replacing one candidate we shoved down your throat with another candidate we're going to shove down your throat" makes this a more democratic process.

I'm not making the claim that this was ever a truly Democratic process, but the idea that there are all these loyal Biden voters who are now crying in their oatmeal because they were disenfranchised is silly.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


Yeah, I think the people trying to call this "anti-democratic" are off base. Democrats can choose their fighter anyway they want. Though constantly shifting rules to sideline Bernie, RFK, Jr., etc. is shitty. If you don't like it you don't have to be Democrat.


Saying that "Democrats can choose their fighter any way they want" hardly responds to the assertion that they are adhering to an anti-democratic process. In fact, it confirms it.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


:lol:

I'm not sure that saying "we're replacing one candidate we shoved down your throat with another candidate we're going to shove down your throat" makes this a more democratic process.

I'm not making the claim that this was ever a truly Democratic process, but the idea that there are all these loyal Biden voters who are now crying in their oatmeal because they were disenfranchised is silly.


Why is it silly?

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good dolphin wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Brick wrote:
Nas wrote:
She raised $30M in like 2 hours. Obama and Friends may not love her, but the elite media and donors can't get enough. The latter is creating an environment where it would be fatal to skip her.
It depends on where her poll numbers are by next Monday. If she is polling equal or worse than Biden they'll say "She can't beat Trump" and find a way to move on. That's why they set the rules to let another candidate win the nomination when they do the delegate poll and it really wouldn't even be that hard.

They had to give her the first chance but just like people suddenly decided that Joe Biden couldn't beat Trump they'll decide that Kamala Harris can't beat Trump if her numbers show that she is likely to lose.


I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


There was a near zero chance she would have been the candidate after a traditional primary (I know, thing happen). I think there is an almost equally small chance she would win against any legitimate republican than Trump in a general election.
That's all probably true, but Biden wouldn't have won a true primary either.

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Who's the party of Nazis again?


Dumbass, you've already got the Nazi vote locked up. The concern would be the 1.5M Muslim voters.


Ironic, coming from the party (DEMO RATS) that is openly antisemitic


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I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


:lol:

I'm not sure that saying "we're replacing one candidate we shoved down your throat with another candidate we're going to shove down your throat" makes this a more democratic process.

I'm not making the claim that this was ever a truly Democratic process, but the idea that there are all these loyal Biden voters who are now crying in their oatmeal because they were disenfranchised is silly.


Why is it silly?
Because 2/3 of dem voters wanted someone else at the top of the ticket, so saying that 14M are upset that their vote didn't matter is at best a stretch.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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I hear you, but I don't even think Obama and Friends' vote matters on this one, unless they produce a more attractive woman. These people don't care about polls. They create the polls. They believe they can change the public's opinion, and they're mostly right.

In less than a week, we aren't talking about Trump being a half inch away from being assassinated. We don't even care about over 14 million people being disenfranchised. The elite media is winning.
There aren't 14M people disenfranchised. In fact it's the opposite. There was no Dem primary and the vast majority would have voted for whomever they thought could beat Trump. In the end they had no real choice, but every pre-election poll showed that Dem voters would prefer a different candidate by a pretty wide margin.


:lol:

I'm not sure that saying "we're replacing one candidate we shoved down your throat with another candidate we're going to shove down your throat" makes this a more democratic process.

I'm not making the claim that this was ever a truly Democratic process, but the idea that there are all these loyal Biden voters who are now crying in their oatmeal because they were disenfranchised is silly.


Why is it silly?
Because 2/3 of dem voters wanted someone else at the top of the ticket, so saying that 14M are upset that their vote didn't matter is at best a stretch.


How does the fact that some people preferred another candidate negate the preference of the voters who supported Biden?

And the fact that a lot of voters preferred another candidate to Biden hardly means that they prefer Harris, who was so popular in 2020 that she was forced to drop out of the presidential race before the primary season even started.

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"this week" still had donna brazile talking about biden still being president. the whole roundtable was talking about how biden could still maintain running.


It's disgusting that at 10 am Sunday the Democrat establishment all thought it needed to be an open process with multiple candidates but by 10 pm EVERYONE now said that was impossible and Harris should be the only candidate.

This should be offensive to voters.

by this morning, everyone is praising Harris for locking down all the "important" constituencies: specifically delegates and money. No mention of the voters.

There is no such thing as a liberal any more. There are people who hold leftist political positions but there are no liberals.

They are giving Harris a week to improve her poll numbers but they built in a system where she could be easily replaced too based on how they are doing the new nomination process.


:lol: :lol:

Who is this Mythical Democrat that is going to have great polling numbers?

Just get within 2% and fortification takes care of the rest.

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You had 100% of people being told Biden was too old since 2019. I'm sure that had nothing to do with democrat voters preferring a younger candidate. Besides, generic candidates always do well. There wasn't a candidate who could have beaten Biden because of the advantages that come with being an incumbent and because the most important democrat voting blocs were loyal to him. Anecdotally speaking, MANY appear to be pissed about this election theft. I saw folks hammering Obama and Chuy online.

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"this week" still had donna brazile talking about biden still being president. the whole roundtable was talking about how biden could still maintain running.


It's disgusting that at 10 am Sunday the Democrat establishment all thought it needed to be an open process with multiple candidates but by 10 pm EVERYONE now said that was impossible and Harris should be the only candidate.

This should be offensive to voters.

by this morning, everyone is praising Harris for locking down all the "important" constituencies: specifically delegates and money. No mention of the voters.

There is no such thing as a liberal any more. There are people who hold leftist political positions but there are no liberals.

They are giving Harris a week to improve her poll numbers but they built in a system where she could be easily replaced too based on how they are doing the new nomination process.


:lol: :lol:

Who is this Mythical Democrat that is going to have great polling numbers?
This question seems to indicate you think that no other Democrat could poll higher than the ever popular Kamala Harris. There really isn't a reason to name a specific candidate but I think, if Harris has a poor or average week as the next chosen one, that one of the other potential options for President could "be the one with the best chance to beat Trump".

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reversing the usa's energy momentum is:

- revoking leases to drill for oil and gas on federal lands and in federal waters

- revoking leases for mining

- halt permits to export LNG

- halting pipelines that would have imported 830k bbl/day (keystone, alone) of canadian oil to the usa

the consequences are two-fold, the hit on usa consumers and the political headaches of relying on other nations for energy.

Except that we don't rely on other nations for energy. In terms of oil, the U.S. produced more in 2023 than any previous year (including Trump's reign) and also more than any other country in history (including Saudi Arabia). This is one of Trump's oft repeated falsehoods (one of many) which is widely accepted as fact by his flock.
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While oil output is at a record high, we could be producing even more but for the president’s “whole of government” effort to chill investment. The year before President Biden was inaugurated, the Energy Information Administration was forecasting oil output in 2023 of 14 million barrels a day. Actual output came in at 1.1 million barrels per day below that forecast.

Oil production hit a record in 2023 because more and more of our oil and natural gas production is occurring on private and state lands, where developers don’t need permission from Washington to drill. In 2005, about 68 percent of our oil and 62 percent of our gas came from private and state lands. Today it’s risen to roughly 75 percent and 90 percent, respectively.

When it comes to production on federal lands, however, we’re living on borrowed time. We’ve been able to maintain output thanks to production from wells drilled on leases issued before Biden became president. While the administration has issued drilling permits to existing leaseholders — as required by law — that hasn’t stopped it from slow walking these permits.


your chart tells us what my quote contains. the additional oil produced is occurring on private and state lands, where biden's sudden 'domestic energy focus' has zero bearing. your chart also doesn't tell us that the usa is importing more oil, yoy from 2021-2022-2023.

you say:

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Except that we don't rely on other nations for energy.


we are trending up, in regards to imports. we do rely on others.

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Petroleum imports into the U.S. 2000-2023
Total petroleum imports into the United States amounted to 8.5 million barrels per day in 2023. This represents an increase in comparison to 2022.


the statistics don't lie, neither do the markets. the markets (spot and futures) understood biden's anti fossil fuel focus. oil and gas prices went up.

you can shit all over trump and those who felt some of his various policies were good (i feel this way about energy) for america, which is fine. what i don't understand is why don't you own biden's anti-fossil fuel focus, which caused energy prices to rise (regardless of slower world economy/covid, american borderline economic recession in 2022). that rise in energy is arguably the cause of biden's inflation spike that must also be owned by biden and his supporters. that same spike which will used against the democrats for the next few months.


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Brick wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Brick wrote:
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W_Z wrote:
"this week" still had donna brazile talking about biden still being president. the whole roundtable was talking about how biden could still maintain running.


It's disgusting that at 10 am Sunday the Democrat establishment all thought it needed to be an open process with multiple candidates but by 10 pm EVERYONE now said that was impossible and Harris should be the only candidate.

This should be offensive to voters.

by this morning, everyone is praising Harris for locking down all the "important" constituencies: specifically delegates and money. No mention of the voters.

There is no such thing as a liberal any more. There are people who hold leftist political positions but there are no liberals.

They are giving Harris a week to improve her poll numbers but they built in a system where she could be easily replaced too based on how they are doing the new nomination process.


:lol: :lol:

Who is this Mythical Democrat that is going to have great polling numbers?
This question seems to indicate you think that no other Democrat could poll higher than the ever popular Kamala Harris. There really isn't a reason to name a specific candidate but I think, if Harris has a poor or average week as the next chosen one, that one of the other potential options for President could "be the one with the best chance to beat Trump".


I think there are probably a bunch of nondescript democrats who poll about as well as Biden or Harris. The Donors seem to think that Harris has a lot of potential to improve her numbers; the opposite is also true.

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your chart tells us what my quote contains. the additional oil produced is occurring on private and state lands, where biden's sudden 'domestic energy focus' has zero bearing. your chart also doesn't tell us that the usa is importing more oil, yoy from 2021-2022-2023.
I don't know if it intentional but that's a very disingenous way to look at it. 2020 had some big thing that happened that lowered imports significantly but we still import less oil than we did in 2019 and every year prior to 2019 until about 1993. It also seems like oil imports actually went down from 2021 to 2022 and then back up in 2023 but to almost the same rate as 2021.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

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You had 100% of people being told Biden was too old since 2019. I'm sure that had nothing to do with democrat voters preferring a younger candidate. Besides, generic candidates always do well. There wasn't a candidate who could have beaten Biden because of the advantages that come with being an incumbent and because the most important democrat voting blocs were loyal to him. Anecdotally speaking, MANY appear to be pissed about this election theft. I saw folks hammering Obama and Chuy online.

He clearly aged considerably over 4 years. His handlers are the ones to blame for this situation. I look back to when they turned down the pre-Super Bowl interview. At the time it seemed odd considering it was a perfect opportunity to highlight his accomplishments & counter the narrative that everything was going to hell in a handbasket in front of a huge and varied audience. The lack of messaging has always been a Dem deficiency and even more so with the Biden administration since he did so few interviews. After the debate it became clear that he was purposely being sheltered. That is what supporters should be angry about. They should have convinced him to bow out George Costanza style, and a real primary could have ensued. Instead they put him through what must have been a horribly stressful and embarrassing several weeks.

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I have no real feel for what voters are going to think of Harris. Throughout the last four years, she has consistently had negative ratings usually below Biden’s poor ratings. The only issue I can see playing well for her is abortion, and it is a powerful issue at the state level.

But the problems with foreign affairs, Afghanistan, Gaza and Ukraine, immigration concerns, and inflation are all going to stick to her like they did with Biden. In my little corner of Trump’s America, inflation is all people talk about. Not a day goes by where someone does not complain how much stuff costs at the grocery store. And as we know, lower income folks spend a much higher percentage of their incomes on basic needs. For all their faults, Trump and Vance make the play for lower income voters even though I believe their economic prescriptions are wrong for America (tariffs, tighter immigrant, etc).

This has been quite the election season. There are also some pretty interesting Senate races. There is a lot at stake.

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