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when did glass-steagall get repealed?


It was GW that exploited the policy however. It's a known fact the MBS market exploded under Bush


Andrew Cuomo did more to set these forces of unregulated expansion in motion than any other secretary and then boasted about it, presenting his initiatives as crusades for racial and social justice.
Bill Clinton gave Cuomo that power and backed his aggressive policies, not MBS.

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The mortgage crisis was caused by the Clinton administration requiring banks to make loans to people with poor and nonexistent credit histories and made widespread homeownership a national goal. This all led to the home buying frenzy and an explosion of subprime and other non-prime mortgages, which banks and Fannie and Freddie bundled into dubious securities and peddled to investors worldwide. Hovering in the background was the knowledge that the federal government would bail out troubled "too big to-fail" financial corporations, including Fannie and Freddie. Which the Obama administration did bail them out.

Started by Dems, shoved onto MBS and washed under the rug by Dems.


Nah Doesn’t jive with the facts. Truth is Bush Administration pushed for those loans because they fallaciously believed that the debt from packaged and bundled Securities could be pushed off into other financial markets as the loans became "toxic". The purpose of the loans wasn't so much to put buyers that couldn't afford to pay into homes as much as it was to stimulate the Real Estate industry. The purpose of the loans was to drive up Home Prices. Deregulation is fundamental Republican economic principle of Republicans which Clinton copied.
However it was the Clinton Administration which drastically upped the amount of those loans into circulation. The MBS market was virtually created by the Bush Administration

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The mortgage crisis was caused by the Clinton administration requiring banks to make loans to people with poor and nonexistent credit histories and made widespread homeownership a national goal. This all led to the home buying frenzy and an explosion of subprime and other non-prime mortgages, which banks and Fannie and Freddie bundled into dubious securities and peddled to investors worldwide. Hovering in the background was the knowledge that the federal government would bail out troubled "too big to-fail" financial corporations, including Fannie and Freddie. Which the Obama administration did bail them out.

Started by Dems, shoved onto MBS and washed under the rug by Dems.


Nah Doesn’t jive with the facts. Truth is Bush Administration pushed for those loans because they fallaciously believed that the debt from packaged and bundled Securities could be pushed off into other financial markets as the loans became "toxic". The purpose of the loans wasn't so much to put buyers that couldn't afford to pay into homes as much as it was to stimulate the Real Estate industry. The purpose of the loans was to drive up Home Prices. Deregulation is fundamental Republican economic principle of Republicans which Clinton co opted.
However it was the Clinton Administration which drastically upped the amount of those loans into circulation. The MBS market was virtually created by the Bush Administration


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when did glass-steagall get repealed?


It was GW that exploited the policy however. It's a known fact the MBS market exploded under Bush


we went over this a few years ago. there was and may still be a time when W wouldn't know if he is buying 80 acres of cactus and tumbleweed or the clampetts' oil rich property.

i blame the bankers who buffaloed their way into comingling the 'safe' funds of depositors' with risky investments and the potential for making way more $$ off of risky real estate instead of boring t-bills. the think-tanks provided the excuse; you don't say my net worth is $55 million and i want to be worth $200 million. you say that you want to give mortgages to minorities and low-income buyers, who would have never qualified for buying a treehouse.


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You had 100% of people being told Biden was too old since 2019. I'm sure that had nothing to do with democrat voters preferring a younger candidate. Besides, generic candidates always do well. There wasn't a candidate who could have beaten Biden because of the advantages that come with being an incumbent and because the most important democrat voting blocs were loyal to him. Anecdotally speaking, MANY appear to be pissed about this election theft. I saw folks hammering Obama and Chuy online.

He clearly aged considerably over 4 years. His handlers are the ones to blame for this situation. I look back to when they turned down the pre-Super Bowl interview. At the time it seemed odd considering it was a perfect opportunity to highlight his accomplishments & counter the narrative that everything was going to hell in a handbasket in front of a huge and varied audience. The lack of messaging has always been a Dem deficiency and even more so with the Biden administration since he did so few interviews. After the debate it became clear that he was purposely being sheltered. That is what supporters should be angry about. They should have convinced him to bow out George Costanza style, and a real primary could have ensued. Instead they put him through what must have been a horribly stressful and embarrassing several weeks.


Going back to the Obama years, his handlers were afraid of Biden saying things he shouldn't say. That was already baked in for the public. He was called Uncle Joe for that very reason.

I think the interview thing is overblown. He wasn't tucked away in a basement. He literally held more public events than Trump or Obama and was glad-handing his colleagues for significantly longer than even a Bill Clinton would.

His people failed him by allowing him to get additional plastic surgeries after 2018 and by trying to make him publicly be someone he could never be. Those things helped feed the narrative.
Many of the people who have met with him in recent times have acknowledged a decline. These are mostly supporters, many of whom are friends (this also was the case in Reagan's final year). Nas, I wish it weren't the case but he is not the guy who won in 2020.


I don't find that relevant. He is the guy people voted for four months ago.

You can say "shame on us" for voting for him, but we did vote for this Joe Biden


Paul Ryan, the Bushes, the Cheneys, Romney, the McCains were all notably absent at the RNC. Republicans have purged their scumbag warmongering elites. It's now up to Dems to do the same.

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Because this is still nominally a radio board, I should note that Joe Biden voted for the Telecommunications Act of '96.

Senators who voted against it: Pat Moynihan, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Paul Simon, Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Paul Wellstone, and go figure, John McCain.

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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
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when did glass-steagall get repealed?


It was GW that exploited the policy however. It's a known fact the MBS market exploded under Bush


we went over this a few years ago. there was and may still be a time when W wouldn't know if he is buying 80 acres of cactus and tumbleweed or the clampetts' oil rich property.

i blame the bankers who buffaloed their way into comingling the 'safe' funds of depositors' with risky investments and the potential for making way more $$ off of risky real estate instead of boring t-bills. the think-tanks provided the excuse; you don't say my net worth is $55 million and i want to be worth $200 million. you say that you want to give mortgages to minorities and low-income buyers, who would have never qualified for buying a treehouse.


There were far more people who utilized the MBS scam than simply minorities.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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when did glass-steagall get repealed?


It was GW that exploited the policy however. It's a known fact the MBS market exploded under Bush


we went over this a few years ago. there was and may still be a time when W wouldn't know if he is buying 80 acres of cactus and tumbleweed or the clampetts' oil rich property.

i blame the bankers who buffaloed their way into comingling the 'safe' funds of depositors' with risky investments and the potential for making way more $$ off of risky real estate instead of boring t-bills. the think-tanks provided the excuse; you don't say my net worth is $55 million and i want to be worth $200 million. you say that you want to give mortgages to minorities and low-income buyers, who would have never qualified for buying a treehouse.


There were far more people who utilized the MBS scam than simply minorities.

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goldman-sachs is a market-maker. they made a market for this. if this obscure bank has a chance to earn $80 million out of nowhere and you can get 8%, you buy the mortgage backed security.

the same group that buffaloed (repealed glass-steagall) their way into this, were buying these junk securities. the same group had a hint that the govt. would bail them out if things went haywire and they were correct.

the whole premise to get the ball rolling to incredible generational wealth for a few bankers: is to generate capital to give these mortgages, they had to use the depositors' 'safe' funds. that's why glass-steagall had to get repealed. now, they can risk the depositors' funds to make profit for themselves (bank), only. they comingled the funds, which was a no-no for 60 years.


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You can hang the mortgage crisis at the feet of GW as well. MBS was on steroids with his administration strongly encouraging banks and lenders to lend money to borrowers who couldn't afford to pay.


The mortgage crisis was caused by the Clinton administration requiring banks to make loans to people with poor and nonexistent credit histories and made widespread homeownership a national goal. This all led to the home buying frenzy and an explosion of subprime and other non-prime mortgages, which banks and Fannie and Freddie bundled into dubious securities and peddled to investors worldwide. Hovering in the background was the knowledge that the federal government would bail out troubled "too big to-fail" financial corporations, including Fannie and Freddie. Which the Obama administration did bail them out.

Started by Dems, shoved onto MBS and washed under the rug by Dems.

LTG and I have had this discussion before....W absolutely owns the MBS, but he shares it with Clinton. That bullshit started and was in full exploit well before 2000. I'm the first admit Clinton was the best POTUS of my lifetime, but he's got a lot of warts.

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Because this is still nominally a radio board, I should note that Joe Biden voted for the Telecommunications Act of '96.

Senators who voted against it: Pat Moynihan, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Paul Simon, Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Paul Wellstone, and go figure, John McCain.


Paul Wellstone (RIP) one of the best critics of the Iraq war.

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You can hang the mortgage crisis at the feet of GW as well. MBS was on steroids with his administration strongly encouraging banks and lenders to lend money to borrowers who couldn't afford to pay.


The mortgage crisis was caused by the Clinton administration requiring banks to make loans to people with poor and nonexistent credit histories and made widespread homeownership a national goal. This all led to the home buying frenzy and an explosion of subprime and other non-prime mortgages, which banks and Fannie and Freddie bundled into dubious securities and peddled to investors worldwide. Hovering in the background was the knowledge that the federal government would bail out troubled "too big to-fail" financial corporations, including Fannie and Freddie. Which the Obama administration did bail them out.

Started by Dems, shoved onto MBS and washed under the rug by Dems.

LTG and I have had this discussion before....W absolutely owns the MBS, but he shares it with Clinton. That bullshit started and was in full exploit well before 2000. I'm the first admit Clinton was the best POTUS of my lifetime, but he's got a lot of warts.


Clinton owns some of the blame for passing a Republican bill essentially. But we can never discount that it was a Republican bill. That's why the Bush took the baton and ran with it. And what MBS demonstrated more than anything is why too much "deregulation" can be catastrophic sometimes. Everyone kept yammering about how "markets always correct themselves". Well the Real-estate market proved that it doesn't. And personally speaking I benefitted nicely from the fallout, but that still doesn't mean that it wasn't overall detrimental for the nation as a whole.

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It sounds like Prop Joe got Kamala to keep his ENTIRE campaign staff.

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8.5 million barrels per day
Petroleum imports into the U.S. 2000-2023
Total petroleum imports into the United States amounted to 8.5 million barrels per day in 2023. This represents an increase in comparison to 2022.

the statistics don't lie, neither do the markets. the markets (spot and futures) understood biden's anti fossil fuel focus. oil and gas prices went up.

you can shit all over trump and those who felt some of his various policies were good (i feel this way about energy) for america, which is fine. what i don't understand is why don't you own biden's anti-fossil fuel focus, which caused energy prices to rise (regardless of slower world economy/covid, american borderline economic recession in 2022). that rise in energy is arguably the cause of biden's inflation spike that must also be owned by biden and his supporters. that same spike which will used against the democrats for the next few months.
You broke that into so many comments that it makes it hard to legibly respond, so I'll pare it down.

First of all, we export and import oil because it's sold on a global market. The idea that we keep the oil we produce is simply inaccurate. The price fluctuates based on the global supply, not the U.S. supply. Russia is a huge portion of that market. The war & subsequent sanctions affected the marketplace. OPEC also plays a roll when they opt to tighten production. I would also note that Biden expedited the construction of an oil pipeline in West Virginia and approved the Willow oil project in Alaska (over the opposition of environmental activists).

As for fuel related inflation, that was inevitable. We went for a year with practically nobody driving and excess supply drove prices into the ground. The opposite occurred when demand increased and the suppliers had not returned to full production. Similar problems with the supply chain also drove up costs. A post-covid splurge in spending (both by consumers and the government) exacerbated the problem. Finally, many businesses saw this as an opportunity to significantly bump up prices under the guise of inflation and labor shortages. Out of these factors, you could blame the Biden administration for the excess government spending (which is likely true), but we also emerged from the covid collapse faster and stronger than any other major economy in the world.


yeah. thanks for cleaning everything up.

i'm going to ask you how many offshore lease sales has biden's administration approved since biden took office?

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Last week, President Biden said he would “work like the devil” to bring down gasoline prices. Somehow, after more than half a year of watching him beg Russia and OPEC to increase their oil production while making it more difficult for American oil and natural gas producers, we’re skeptical. But here are a few simple ideas to help the president channel his inner Lucifer and reduce energy prices.

Move forward with leasing on federal public lands. The government is required to conduct quarterly lease sales, but since President Biden banned leasing during his first week in office, later overturned by a federal judge, there has not been one lease sale on federal lands. The Interior Department just missed the deadline for holding a lease sale this quarter. He could instruct the department to move forward with leasing now.
Stop the Biden administration’s regulatory overreach agenda. The Interior Department, Environmental Protection Agency, Securities and Exchange Commission, and other agencies are moving forward aggressively with regulations meant to make American oil and natural gas production more expensive. When you make something more expensive, you get less of it and higher prices for consumers. Simply halt the deluge of new regulation meant to slow American production.


i'm not sure why pro-biden posters don't embrace biden's anti fossil fuel agenda? is it similar to the trump tariff conundrum? all of a sudden, many experts that post here stopped posting about trump tariffs that biden continued and some tariffs that were expanded.

luckily for the usa consumer, the indians and chinese have ignored biden's plea to economically strangle russia and not buy their oil - otherwise, we'd be looking at oil in the $100s/bbl.

Fossil fuel energy companies looking to extract oil and natural gas from U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico got a boost on Wednesday, as they secured access to 1.6 million acres of waters offered at auction. That was just a fraction of some 73.3 million acres of federal waters the Interior Department's Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) opened up for bidding. Officials spent more than an hour reading aloud the bids in Lease Sale 259, with some 13,600 blocks of "outer continental shelf" acreage in the Gulf of Mexico at stake. It's the second time this month that the Biden administration has opened federal territory for new oil drilling, after it approved the large and controversial Willow project in Alaska on March 13.

President Joe Biden has approved nearly 50 percent more oil and gas drilling permits for wells on federal land since taking office than former President Donald Trump did in his first three years, according to newly released data from the Interior Department.


haha, that's great. i talked of loss of momentum, not productivity. the biden cult speaks of permits, the energy world tells us it's kabuki theatre.

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Biden Administration Offers Fewest Offshore Oil and Gas Leases in History. A new plan to sell offshore drilling rights will be limited to three spots, all in the Gulf of Mexico.


https://www.energyindepth.org/why-bidens-oil-drilling-permits-surge-is-not-what-it-seems/

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Recent claims suggesting that the Biden administration has granted 50 percent more oil and gas drilling permits on federal land compared to the Trump administration have been circulating in the media – and while that data is accurate, it’s a lot more complex. A closer look at the 2023 data reveals that many of the permits approved by the Biden administration were granted on land that was leased during the Trump administration. The Biden administration, on the other hand, has held the absolute minimum lease sales possible.

Viewed in that light, claims of mass permit approval from the Biden administration more accurately describe a time delay in processing the glut of permits pending before the Department of Interior.

Permitting slow among bureaucratic backlogs

Understanding the intricacies of federal land permitting is crucial to understanding permitting data. The multi-year, multi-step process for developing federal land can span several administrations and requires a multitude of different evaluations, approvals, and permitting steps before energy production can even begin.

Based on the federal onshore land development timeline below, it is evident that before entering the permitting phase, there is a comprehensive and lengthy process for pre-leasing and exploration stages. This process, which can take up to a decade to complete, includes in-depth environmental, seismic, and production analyses to ensure viability. Legal challenges from environmental activist groups at nearly every stage of the process can add additional years to the already lengthy process.



At the end of the 2020 fiscal year, right before President Biden took office, a total of 6,234 applications for permit to drill were pending approval. Recent media reports claim that in the last three years, the Biden administration has approved 9,522 permits to drill – which would make up the permit backlog, plus some.

Still, according to the latest BLM data, there are still 5,366 permits currently pending approval before the agency. In part due to the massive slowdown in leasing under the Biden administration, BLM had received a paltry 452 new permit applications year-to-date as of October 2023 – indicating the chilling effect that the bureaucratic slog can have on the industry.

Reminder: one of Biden’s first moves upon taking office was pausing lease sales, resulting in the number of leases for development on federal land slowing down significantly during the Biden administration compared to previous administrations. Delays in sales, ongoing appeals, and settlements with activist groups further contribute to the decline. New Mexico, North Dakota and Colorado have been among the states with lease sales postponed or canceled resulting in a significant economic impact. This impact has affected local and state revenues and budgeting, particularly for these states heavily reliant on oil and gas revenue. Meanwhile, the Biden administration also settled with activist groups and agreed to re-evaluate the National Environmental Policy Act reviews for nearly all of the leases issued under the Trump administration in Wyoming and a significant number across Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Montana. As the Wyoming Tribune Eagle explains back in 2022 when the news broke:

“None of the leases have been vacated, but their future is uncertain. The Department of the Interior now has to reevaluate and retroactively justify more than two dozen lease sales. If it decides it can’t, or its reasoning doesn’t satisfy the court, the sales could be reversed and any existing permits revoked.”

This ongoing NEPA review has been used as rationale for the Bureau of Land Management failing to authorize Wyoming’s November 2020 leases from the state’s last sale under the Trump administration. For perspective, that’s a nearly $7 million sale that’s been in limbo for more than three years.

The Biden administration’s pace of oil and gas leasing isn’t just slow – it’s the slowest in half a century. A Wall Street Journal analysis of federal acres leased for oil and gas production over the past 50 years revealed that the Biden administration leased a historic low of 0.13 million acres during its first 19 months compared to the 4.4 million acres auctioned for lease during the first year and a half of the Trump presidency.



Source: Wall Street Journal

Similarly, the Biden administration has approved a record low number of new offshore oil wells, according to a recent data analysis by E&E News, in addition to including the lowest number of offshore wells in history in the much-delayed five year offshore leasing program. Despite limited acreage offered during onshore lease sales, industry interest and high-dollar bids persist, underscoring the importance of federal leases to U.S. energy production. Federal lands and waters are responsible for approximately 24 percent of total U.S. oil production.

While the decline in lease sales has not yet caused acute domestic supply issues, it will inevitably affect future production and supply, potentially exacerbating shortages and price surges. This trend not only threatens energy security but also blocks future revenue to federal, state, and local treasuries.

Bottom Line: While we welcome the progress the administration has made in tackling the federal permitting logjam, it’s only one part of the overall story of federal energy production. Mixed messages from the administration – like canceling lease sales one minute and touting approved permits to drill the next – create uncertainty within the energy industry, hindering long-term investments and exacerbating challenges for the United States and the world during a time of geopolitical uncertainty across many regions.


looks like joe started going against himself when gasoline and natural gas started hurting his poll numbers - and releasing national reserve stock only caused a few burps in saudi arabia. the inflation spike may cost the green new dealers the 2024 presidency.


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Still, Biden aides have expressed some worry to one another about how his lingering frustrations might surface.

Some pointed to his comments in the early hours of Tuesday morning, when a reporter asked Biden about his legacy with regard to LGBTQ Americans. The president harked back to to his 2011 comments supporting same-sex marriage that caught then-President Barack Obama off guard. It came off as a subtle dig at the former president, who in recent weeks was among those working behind the scenes to push Biden toward the exits.

“Well, I’m really proud of my position,” Biden said. “I was the first guy to come out for gay marriage. Remember that little problem with the Obama administration?”



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Still, Biden aides have expressed some worry to one another about how his lingering frustrations might surface.

Some pointed to his comments in the early hours of Tuesday morning, when a reporter asked Biden about his legacy with regard to LGBTQ Americans. The president harked back to to his 2011 comments supporting same-sex marriage that caught then-President Barack Obama off guard. It came off as a subtle dig at the former president, who in recent weeks was among those working behind the scenes to push Biden toward the exits.

“Well, I’m really proud of my position,” Biden said. “I was the first guy to come out for gay marriage. Remember that little problem with the Obama administration?”



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Still, Biden aides have expressed some worry to one another about how his lingering frustrations might surface.

Some pointed to his comments in the early hours of Tuesday morning, when a reporter asked Biden about his legacy with regard to LGBTQ Americans. The president harked back to to his 2011 comments supporting same-sex marriage that caught then-President Barack Obama off guard. It came off as a subtle dig at the former president, who in recent weeks was among those working behind the scenes to push Biden toward the exits.

“Well, I’m really proud of my position,” Biden said. “I was the first guy to come out for gay marriage. Remember that little problem with the Obama administration?”



https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-adjust ... 19944.html


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Still, Biden aides have expressed some worry to one another about how his lingering frustrations might surface.

Some pointed to his comments in the early hours of Tuesday morning, when a reporter asked Biden about his legacy with regard to LGBTQ Americans. The president harked back to to his 2011 comments supporting same-sex marriage that caught then-President Barack Obama off guard. It came off as a subtle dig at the former president, who in recent weeks was among those working behind the scenes to push Biden toward the exits.

“Well, I’m really proud of my position,” Biden said. “I was the first guy to come out for gay marriage. Remember that little problem with the Obama administration?”



https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-adjust ... 19944.html


Obama is not going to look good when this story is written.


I agree. There's some Biden hate from that family. You would think they would be grateful for Prop Joe going down to Congress, countless times, to salvage a deal Obama fucked up with his smugness, or for saving his presidency by destroying Paul Ryan. I wonder who "encouraged" Obama to put Biden on his ticket.

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