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In wake of Barstool blowup, Laurence Holmes’ move creates firestorm at The Score
The Sun-Times has learned that staffers perceive Holmes’ move from middays to afternoons as the result of a blowup with Barstool Sports and his desire to get out of working with station mainstay Dan Bernstein.

The Score announced lineup changes Monday that will go into full effect next week after already having an effect at the station’s offices at Two Prudential Plaza.

The Sun-Times has learned that staffers are perceiving Laurence Holmes’ move from middays to afternoons as the result of a blowup with Barstool Sports and his desire to get out of working with station mainstay Dan Bernstein. The situation has created a firestorm at the station, which last week failed to bring back Jason Goff for the afternoon spot vacated by Danny Parkins, who left to host a new morning show on FS1.

Holmes co-hosted his first afternoon show with Matt Spiegel on Monday. Bernstein and fill-in host Mark Grote introduced the new show during transition, and they had a pleasant — although perhaps performative — exchange. Former CBS 2 sports director Marshall Harris will replace Holmes on the midday show beginning next Monday.

The seeds of Holmes’ strife were planted Sept. 10, when an incident on the air Sept. 5 between Bernstein and Barstool Eddie of Barstool Chicago went viral. During transition, Bernstein reacted poorly to Eddie calling him by his last name, saying, “You can call me Dan, or you can call me Bernsy, but you don’t know me like that.” It gained traction in the Stoolies community five days later when Barstool founder Dave Portnoy posted on X, “Stoolies have never had a more important war than to ruin this guy’s life (professionally speaking, of course).”

Although Portnoy’s reaction was much more outrageous than Bernstein’s, his followers heeded his call, directing vitriol at Bernstein on social media. Holmes, who was bothered by the episode, didn’t appear on the show for the rest of the week. On his “House of L” podcast Sept. 16, Holmes explained he had been away because of oral surgery. But he also stayed off the air the entire following week, continued to drop podcasts and played on The Score’s softball team. Harris filled in alongside Bernstein in what appears to have been an audition.

Meanwhile, the station and parent company Audacy were negotiating with Goff, with whom Holmes had hoped to host. Pairing them was discussed, but talks with Goff fell apart because of Audacy’s insistence that he give up his podcast, “The Full Go,” with The Ringer. Last Friday, Goff announced on his podcast he wasn’t returning to the station that unceremoniously let him go in March 2018. On Monday, Audacy and The Score announced the new lineup, and Holmes returned to the air for the first time in nearly two weeks.

Station employees don’t see the series of events as a series of coincidences. While Holmes maneuvered in the background, Bernstein, who has been at the station since 1995, continued to appear on the air and in public at remote broadcasts, despite continued attacks on social media.

The new lineup is a convenient one for The Score, which was able to maintain some continuity by promoting from within and hiring a fill-in. Holmes has been with the station since 1998 and worked with Bernstein since 2022. Harris, who left CBS 2 in July, has appeared on various shows at The Score.

The changes come near the beginning of the Nielsen fall ratings period, which runs Sept. 12 to Dec. 4. The station will have a little over two months of data during a key timeframe — football season — to see how it initially fares.


Holmes got out of working with Dan by accepting a promotion to afternoons? Holmes might not like Dan, but you don’t usually get out of a bad situation by trying to get a promotion. I just don’t see Holmes necesarily not liking Dan and that leading him to throw his hat in the afternoon ring.


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There is a longer game in play. Apparently, they have someone involved in HR/contract stuff at Audacy, and word is they have info on the thinking of this incident in tandem with others. It is rumored that Bernstein will not get renewed at his next contract for a variety of reasons.

The near term moves seems to be more bad press articles with various angles. One guy claims they have Twitch clips and audio that will be repurposed into a release called, “The Hypocrite Boobs to Fagula”. But I don’t know. There are a lot of weird things being posted.

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There is a longer game in play. Apparently, they have someone involved in HR/contract stuff at Audacy, and word is they have info on the thinking of this incident in tandem with others. It is rumored that Bernstein will not get renewed at his next contract for a variety of reasons.

The near term moves seems to be more bad press articles with various angles. One guy claims they have Twitch clips and audio that will be repurposed into a release called, “The Hypocrite Boobs to Fagula”. But I don’t know. There are a lot of weird things being posted.

Seems very unlikely that this is anything more than wishful thinking.

But Boobs to Fagula does make me laugh a little :lol:

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There is a longer game in play. Apparently, they have someone involved in HR/contract stuff at Audacy, and word is they have info on the thinking of this incident in tandem with others. It is rumored that Bernstein will not get renewed at his next contract for a variety of reasons.

The near term moves seems to be more bad press articles with various angles. One guy claims they have Twitch clips and audio that will be repurposed into a release called, “The Hypocrite Boobs to Fagula”. But I don’t know. There are a lot of weird things being posted.


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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.

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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.

Pretty sure he was forced out of retirement for at least a game or two this season. He talked about it during a show transition.

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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.


That makes sense. I can see him coaching 3rd base, wearing jorts, keeping book.


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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.


That makes sense. I can see him coaching 3rd base, wearing jorts, keeping book.

I'm picturing more like Dusty Baker, complete with the arm bands and toothpick in his mouth.

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There is a longer game in play. Apparently, they have someone involved in HR/contract stuff at Audacy, and word is they have info on the thinking of this incident in tandem with others. It is rumored that Bernstein will not get renewed at his next contract for a variety of reasons.

The near term moves seems to be more bad press articles with various angles. One guy claims they have Twitch clips and audio that will be repurposed into a release called, “The Hypocrite Boobs to Fagula”. But I don’t know. There are a lot of weird things being posted.

You've been posting about Audacy's terrible financial position for years. If Bernstein isn't retained it is for financial reasons and not because he disrespected Saint Eddie of Barstool.

Also, it's hilarious to think that Barstool of all places is complaining about Bernstein not being PC. Isn't that the whole Barstool brand? Did they recently hire Barstool Karen to talk to the manager at Audacy?

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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.


That makes sense. I can see him coaching 3rd base, wearing jorts, keeping book.

I'm picturing more like Dusty Baker, complete with the arm bands and toothpick in his mouth.

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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.


That makes sense. I can see him coaching 3rd base, wearing jorts, keeping book.

I'm picturing more like Dusty Baker, complete with the arm bands and toothpick in his mouth.


you guys are killing me with the mental images you are painting

sweatbands with his cartoon image on them, headband, eye black, elbow armor, sliding glove...he may not win but the opponent knows he was in a fight when he faces off with Sir

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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.

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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.



Defending Dan based on current ratings is the equivalent of saying that you'd rather earn a 25% commission on $1,000 in sales than a 10% commission on $10,000 in sales.

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Yeah ratings share doen't do much when 100 people are listening rather than 10,000.

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I think the lede is being buried. Holmes was able to play catcher for the softball team. Did they win? Was there a collision at home plate? Did he passive-aggressively argue balls and strikes?


I thought he gave up softball playing a couple years ago but was still coaching.


That makes sense. I can see him coaching 3rd base, wearing jorts, keeping book.

I'm picturing more like Dusty Baker, complete with the arm bands and toothpick in his mouth.


you guys are killing me with the mental images you are painting

sweatbands with his cartoon image on them, headband, eye black, elbow armor, sliding glove...he may not win but the opponent knows he was in a fight when he faces off with Sir


:lol: That's right, I can see him all gussied up, waddling out there to argue a bang-bang call at 2nd base. Black Herman Franks.


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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.

Best ratings of his career. Like a big fish in an ever decreasing pond.

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Nardi wrote:
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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.

Best ratings of his career. Like a big fish in an ever decreasing pond.


Do we know how local radio shows do vs. podcasts?
Goff has a local following, but is there any comparison on listeners?
The Score does a few ways to listen vs. Goff's podcast so maybe hard to compare...


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Also, it's hilarious to think that Barstool of all places is complaining about Bernstein not being PC. Isn't that the whole Barstool brand? Did they recently hire Barstool Karen to talk to the manager at Audacy?


Barstool (and right-wing grievance in general) have a core (and convenient) tenet that there is nothing worse than hypocrisy. It's much worse than being actively harmful towards people.


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Barstool (and right-wing grievance in general) have a core (and convenient) tenet that there is nothing worse than hypocrisy.

Every week they should gather up instances of people's hypocrisy. They can probably get help from unemployed and neurotic lawyers.

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Haven't people here been noting the appearance of tension from Sir to Dan over the past few months?


::Terry voice:: uh huh, yup

The pairing didn't even start without tension. Laurence would half-jokingly (so, some truth...) say "it's Bernstein AND Holmes, let me talk" . In response, Bernstein didn't just take a step back he'd literally do crossword puzzles

So I don't think this Nice Guy Eddie incident is a driving factor to him wanting away from Dan. But maybe it is more Laurence saw it as an opportunity to not take Bernstein's side anymore, as he was getting nothing out of the alliance.

I suspect Agrest's sourced "staffer" is Shane, sad that Bernstein offended the nicest guy in the world (he's so nice, it overcomes the fact that he reps a truly shithead brand!) who Shane probably had recruited guest host in the first place.


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Barstool (and right-wing grievance in general) have a core (and convenient) tenet that there is nothing worse than hypocrisy.

Every week they should gather up instances of people's hypocrisy. They can probably get help from unemployed and neurotic lawyers.


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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.

Best ratings of his career. Like a big fish in an ever decreasing pond.


Do we know how local radio shows do vs. podcasts?
Goff has a local following, but is there any comparison on listeners?
The Score does a few ways to listen vs. Goff's podcast so maybe hard to compare...

It's not about one radio show vs one podcast. It's a flooding of the market that kicks the shit out of radio. The Score might have had 500,000 listeners on a Monday morning in September 25 years ago. Now I click on Hoge and Jahns right after the game, or whenever.

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BD wrote:
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How many partners does Dan Bernstein get?

Goff, McKnight, Rahimi, Holmes, Harris in about 7.5 years, plus that stretch where he had no partner at all.

The Score feels effete in the original definition of the word: not effeminate (though if you want to make that case, go for it), but rather exhausted and worn out, without vitality, a spent force. It's not at WLS-AM bad, but it's getting in the right lane and looking for the offramp.


That's crazy. I know we laugh about him being the face of the station, but he is untouchable. Just crazy though that he has survived with all of the change around him.


and, if i recall correctly, he has been bringing in the best ratings of his career over the last year

It's uncomfortable being put in the position of defending Dan.



Defending Dan based on current ratings is the equivalent of saying that you'd rather earn a 25% commission on $1,000 in sales than a 10% commission on $10,000 in sales.


it's the industry in which he chooses to work and it is the metric they choose to use

I could say schmutzie says the show has never been better, but I don't think that would sway opinions.

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BSM says Bernstein's show notched a 6.0 in the key demo for the winter '23 book, which was actually down 0.1 from the Fall book, and they out performed every other show in the lineup, so this is probably the best ratings performance he's had in nearly a decade, but I just can't believe peak drive time B&B couldn't crack a 6.0.

Yes, I know, a share now isn't what a share used to be, but I'm not weighting radio ratings.


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I'm a little surprised they left Bernstein in middays, honestly. He had to take the hit for the Jazz-Blazers Series And Social Justice Revue, though not as much as Goff did, but I would think they would have considered him to have atoned for that. Maybe he did up until he invented a reason to get mad at a Barstool B-teamer.

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I'm a little surprised they left Bernstein in middays, honestly. He had to take the hit for the Jazz-Blazers Series And Social Justice Revue, though not as much as Goff did, but I would think they would have considered him to have atoned for that. Maybe he did up until he invented a reason to get mad at a Barstool B-teamer.



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I just want to say it is very funny that "good teammate" and "lift as you climb" advocate Laurence Holmes got an entire article in the Sun Times about how he tucked tail and ran the second it was convenient for him to abandon his co-host. He's always been a huge phony.

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I'm a little surprised they left Bernstein in middays, honestly. He had to take the hit for the Jazz-Blazers Series And Social Justice Revue, though not as much as Goff did, but I would think they would have considered him to have atoned for that. Maybe he did up until he invented a reason to get mad at a Barstool B-teamer.


The only moving that Bernsie is doing is moving out of this job. The word is, they are going to try to convince him to exit on his terms in the next year. Otherwise he will not be offered a contract when the current deal is up. He is generally disdained by the staff, and his passion for the job has disappeared.

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