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1. Google "Caleb Williams arm strength rating" and see what comes up. MANY people grade his arm strength as top-tier, and there's even some mph numbers from his QB coach.


Strange part about that is this very relevant point Tee Time. When he had a chance to be "graded" at the combine by NFL personnel he punted.

So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


He had a chance to demonstrate it against other NFL caliber QBs at the combine, "which" Trumps some bullshit you pulled out your ass Tee Time and ducked. Which says all that needs to be said

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Not for nothing, but Caleb Williams will have some dumb-dumb plays, hopefully only one or two, this season. Now, will he fumble the ball for no reason at all like he did here, or have 42 fumbles by the early stages of his 4th year in the league? MANY are just asking a question.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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1. Google "Caleb Williams arm strength rating" and see what comes up. MANY people grade his arm strength as top-tier, and there's even some mph numbers from his QB coach.


Strange part about that is this very relevant point Tee Time. When he had a chance to be "graded" at the combine by NFL personnel he punted.

So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


He had a chance to demonstrate it against other NFL caliber QBs at the combine, "which" Trumps some bullshit you pulled out your ass Tee Time and ducked. Which says all that needs to be said

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

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NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

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"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/stor ... ings-stats

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Miller: Williams is an elite prospect with upper-level arm strength, running ability, field vision and poise. There are times when he forces passes, and he'll have to get the ball out faster in the NFL, but he has shown he can carry a team and create big plays with his second-effort mobility, diverse arm angles and arm talent. Williams finished 11th in QBR last season (82.4) and threw for 3,633 yards, 30 touchdown passes and five interceptions. He is the overwhelming favorite to go first overall in April.

Muench: Williams' elite improvisational talent, arm strength and ability to pick defenses apart from within the pocket set him apart from the rest of the 2024 class. He has the footspeed to evade pass-rushers in tight spaces and the strength to break would-be tackles. His ability to extend plays, adjust his arm angle and make accurate off-platform throws puts great stress on defenses on each snap. Williams is also a patient pocket passer who gets through his progressions given time and space. He presses and tries to make too much happen on some plays but has rare playmaking instincts; he can get away with some questionable decisions.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
1. Google "Caleb Williams arm strength rating" and see what comes up. MANY people grade his arm strength as top-tier, and there's even some mph numbers from his QB coach.


Strange part about that is this very relevant point Tee Time. When he had a chance to be "graded" at the combine by NFL personnel he punted.

So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


He had a chance to demonstrate it against other NFL caliber QBs at the combine, "which" Trumps some bullshit you pulled out your ass Tee Time and ducked. Which says all that needs to be said

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

Quote:
NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

...

"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/stor ... ings-stats

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Miller: Williams is an elite prospect with upper-level arm strength, running ability, field vision and poise. There are times when he forces passes, and he'll have to get the ball out faster in the NFL, but he has shown he can carry a team and create big plays with his second-effort mobility, diverse arm angles and arm talent. Williams finished 11th in QBR last season (82.4) and threw for 3,633 yards, 30 touchdown passes and five interceptions. He is the overwhelming favorite to go first overall in April.

Muench: Williams' elite improvisational talent, arm strength and ability to pick defenses apart from within the pocket set him apart from the rest of the 2024 class. He has the footspeed to evade pass-rushers in tight spaces and the strength to break would-be tackles. His ability to extend plays, adjust his arm angle and make accurate off-platform throws puts great stress on defenses on each snap. Williams is also a patient pocket passer who gets through his progressions given time and space. He presses and tries to make too much happen on some plays but has rare playmaking instincts; he can get away with some questionable decisions.


OK when you have actual footage of this let me know.. And it's obvious that Justin Fields has more talent than this kid. Which you scoffed at Tee Time

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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1. Google "Caleb Williams arm strength rating" and see what comes up. MANY people grade his arm strength as top-tier, and there's even some mph numbers from his QB coach.


Strange part about that is this very relevant point Tee Time. When he had a chance to be "graded" at the combine by NFL personnel he punted.

So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


He had a chance to demonstrate it against other NFL caliber QBs at the combine, "which" Trumps some bullshit you pulled out your ass Tee Time and ducked. Which says all that needs to be said

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

Quote:
NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

...

"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/stor ... ings-stats

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Miller: Williams is an elite prospect with upper-level arm strength, running ability, field vision and poise. There are times when he forces passes, and he'll have to get the ball out faster in the NFL, but he has shown he can carry a team and create big plays with his second-effort mobility, diverse arm angles and arm talent. Williams finished 11th in QBR last season (82.4) and threw for 3,633 yards, 30 touchdown passes and five interceptions. He is the overwhelming favorite to go first overall in April.

Muench: Williams' elite improvisational talent, arm strength and ability to pick defenses apart from within the pocket set him apart from the rest of the 2024 class. He has the footspeed to evade pass-rushers in tight spaces and the strength to break would-be tackles. His ability to extend plays, adjust his arm angle and make accurate off-platform throws puts great stress on defenses on each snap. Williams is also a patient pocket passer who gets through his progressions given time and space. He presses and tries to make too much happen on some plays but has rare playmaking instincts; he can get away with some questionable decisions.


OK when you have actual footage of this let me know.. And it's obvious that Justin Fields has more talent than this kid. Which you scoffed at Tee Time


Where is your actual footage that Justin knows how to read a defense? I have 3 years of Bears games that says he does not.


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Where is your actual footage that Justin knows how to read a defense? I have 3 years of Bears games that says he does not.

Whether he can or cannot "read" a defense is not my concern. It's yours.
It's clear that Justin Fields has more talent than "Generational Talent" Caleb.

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This was called back due to a penalty but it was an absolute rope to Pickens

https://youtube.com/shorts/nAxZbgSMZlM? ... 0vtbaOy8w9

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Where is your actual footage that Justin knows how to read a defense? I have 3 years of Bears games that says he does not.

Whether he can or cannot "read" a defense is not my concern. It's yours.
It's clear that Justin Fields has more talent than "Generational Talent" Caleb.


What is Justin better at then Fields? He's a better RB then Williams. I will give you that. Everything else Williams is better at.


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This was called back due to a penalty but it was an absolute rope to Pickens

https://youtube.com/shorts/nAxZbgSMZlM? ... 0vtbaOy8w9


That was 1 read Fields at his best. Looks like Field's still need the field cut in half for him to execute a throw.


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Where is your actual footage that Justin knows how to read a defense? I have 3 years of Bears games that says he does not.

Whether he can or cannot "read" a defense is not my concern. It's yours.
It's clear that Justin Fields has more talent than "Generational Talent" Caleb.


What is Justin better at then Fields? He's a better RB then Williams. I will give you that. Everything else Williams is better at.


He's light years better in terms of accuracy too. Especially when it comes to deep throws. He also has more velocity on his passes than Caleb. Caleb Air Mailed more deep passes in one game than JustinFields has all season..

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Juiced wrote:
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This was called back due to a penalty but it was an absolute rope to Pickens

https://youtube.com/shorts/nAxZbgSMZlM? ... 0vtbaOy8w9


That was 1 read Fields at his best. Looks like Field's still need the field cut in half for him to execute a throw.


Who cares? It was a throw that 99% of the QBs in the league cannot make. Is he supposed to not make the throw just saw he can prove to you and other CFMB gurus that he knows how to "go through his progressions"? You're killing me with all of the "first read" garbage too. He through it 50 yards in the air on the dead run to a guy in stride. That's all that matters in this instance.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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1. Google "Caleb Williams arm strength rating" and see what comes up. MANY people grade his arm strength as top-tier, and there's even some mph numbers from his QB coach.


Strange part about that is this very relevant point Tee Time. When he had a chance to be "graded" at the combine by NFL personnel he punted.

So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


He had a chance to demonstrate it against other NFL caliber QBs at the combine, "which" Trumps some bullshit you pulled out your ass Tee Time and ducked. Which says all that needs to be said

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

Quote:
NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

...

"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/stor ... ings-stats

Quote:
Miller: Williams is an elite prospect with upper-level arm strength, running ability, field vision and poise. There are times when he forces passes, and he'll have to get the ball out faster in the NFL, but he has shown he can carry a team and create big plays with his second-effort mobility, diverse arm angles and arm talent. Williams finished 11th in QBR last season (82.4) and threw for 3,633 yards, 30 touchdown passes and five interceptions. He is the overwhelming favorite to go first overall in April.

Muench: Williams' elite improvisational talent, arm strength and ability to pick defenses apart from within the pocket set him apart from the rest of the 2024 class. He has the footspeed to evade pass-rushers in tight spaces and the strength to break would-be tackles. His ability to extend plays, adjust his arm angle and make accurate off-platform throws puts great stress on defenses on each snap. Williams is also a patient pocket passer who gets through his progressions given time and space. He presses and tries to make too much happen on some plays but has rare playmaking instincts; he can get away with some questionable decisions.


OK when you have actual footage of this let me know.. And it's obvious that Justin Fields has more talent than this kid. Which you scoffed at Tee Time

It's not on me to prove any further that Caleb Williams has a strong arm. You have produced no evidence that he doesn't. You're just such a Fields fanboy that you're willing to lie about what you see when Williams throws the football, that much is obvious.


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It's not on me to prove any further that Caleb Williams has a strong arm.
It never is as far as you're concerned Tee Time. Just keep asserting and arguing nonsensical bullshit. Once you have physical evidence of that which speak feel free to provide it. Though I'm not holding my breath on that one. Until that happens, stick to golf

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Its clear that Golf Playing Tee Time Doesn't even know what the meaning of the word "cannon" or "gun" for an arm actually means. Shocking!

And by the way it's obvious from the "eyetest" that this scouting report is far more accurate.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/ ... b.amp.html

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It all starts with arm talent. He doesn't throw with quite the same velocity of Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen or Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert, but he can really spin it. Williams can also flick the ball 50 yards downfield like it's nothing. Combine that with pretty consistent accuracy across the board, and you've got a scary passer

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Stick to Caddying Tee Time. You stupidly think Caleb has a "gun" based on nothing besides your rather inane observations.





lol are you actually questioning Calebs arm strength?


I mean, question his decision making, ball placement, accuracy on deep throws ok fine.. but arm strength?


LTG, you would get laughed at by any credible professional you tried to say this to with a straight face. Former players that have evaluated him, professional scouts that have evaluated him, coaches, former coaches.. never mind all us arm chair guys sitting around on a random bumblefuck Internet forum.


Pick a different hill to die on.. or don’t lol

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Stick to Caddying Tee Time. You stupidly think Caleb has a "gun" based on nothing besides your rather inane observations.





lol are you actually questioning Calebs arm strength?


I mean, question his decision making, ball placement, accuracy on deep throws ok fine.. but arm strength?


LTG, you would get laughed at by any credible professional you tried to say this to with a straight face. Former players that have evaluated him, professional scouts that have evaluated him, coaches, former coaches.. never mind all us arm chair guys sitting around on a random bumblefuck Internet forum.


Pick a different hill to die on.. or don’t lol


There are plenty who say (like Merrill Hoge did) that his arm strength or talent isn't all that special. Who looks like they know what they are talking about now, you or him, Just Asking A Question

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The Bears drafted USC star Caleb Williams with the No. 1 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, solidifying him as the next franchise signal caller. Fields said he met him in high school, and he was far and away one of the best quarterbacks on the field.

"The first time I met him he was in high school at the Elite 11's.," Fields said. "He was night and day better than everybody else. Arm was live. There was no comparison. He and J.J. McCarthy were the best two, in my opinion, when I was there to go see them in Nashville they were the top two QBs that stood out the most."

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Usually it's LTG himself who posts something that contradicts his position.

This time however, the subject of his posts did it for him.

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Stick to Caddying Tee Time. You stupidly think Caleb has a "gun" based on nothing besides your rather inane observations.





lol are you actually questioning Calebs arm strength?


I mean, question his decision making, ball placement, accuracy on deep throws ok fine.. but arm strength?


LTG, you would get laughed at by any credible professional you tried to say this to with a straight face. Former players that have evaluated him, professional scouts that have evaluated him, coaches, former coaches.. never mind all us arm chair guys sitting around on a random bumblefuck Internet forum.


Pick a different hill to die on.. or don’t lol


There are plenty who say (like Merrill Hoge did) that his arm strength or talent isn't all that special. Who looks like they know what they are talking about now, you or him, Just Asking A Question




You need to do everyone on this board a solid and call the SCORE with this bit.. aim for Bernstein because his meltdown over it would be hilarious.


C’mon LTG, make the SCORE great again.. even if only for a single phone call


‘Yeah this Caleb guy, he just doesn’t have the arm strength to cut it in the NFL.. clearly that’s why Waldron handed the ball off more against the Rams..’

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The Bears drafted USC star Caleb Williams with the No. 1 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, solidifying him as the next franchise signal caller. Fields said he met him in high school, and he was far and away one of the best quarterbacks on the field.

"The first time I met him he was in high school at the Elite 11's.," Fields said. "He was night and day better than everybody else. Arm was live. There was no comparison. He and J.J. McCarthy were the best two, in my opinion, when I was there to go see them in Nashville they were the top two QBs that stood out the most."




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NME wrote:
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Stick to Caddying Tee Time. You stupidly think Caleb has a "gun" based on nothing besides your rather inane observations.





lol are you actually questioning Calebs arm strength?


I mean, question his decision making, ball placement, accuracy on deep throws ok fine.. but arm strength?


LTG, you would get laughed at by any credible professional you tried to say this to with a straight face. Former players that have evaluated him, professional scouts that have evaluated him, coaches, former coaches.. never mind all us arm chair guys sitting around on a random bumblefuck Internet forum.


Pick a different hill to die on.. or don’t lol


There are plenty who say (like Merrill Hoge did) that his arm strength or talent isn't all that special. Who looks like they know what they are talking about now, you or him, Just Asking A Question




You need to do everyone on this board a solid and call the SCORE with this bit.. aim for Bernstein because his meltdown over it would be hilarious.


C’mon LTG, make the SCORE great again.. even if only for a single phone call


‘Yeah this Caleb guy, he just doesn’t have the arm strength to cut it in the NFL.. clearly that’s why Waldron handed the ball off more against the Rams..’


You are currently arguing that a guy who. Until last week was 0-11 on passes of 15 yards or more has a "cannon" for an arm. Isn't that rather insane? Just Asking A Question

And from the beginning I have stated that he has "above average" Arm Strength. I have yet to see a "Rocket" for an arm. And I have watched more of him than you might think.

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Let's use this play, and note that this throw is made, if you slow down the footage, literally off-platform with neither foot on the ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbEntabLjE

I'll spare the screenshots, but that ball is in the air for 57 frames of video captured at 60fps. The release point of the ball is generously the 13.5 yard line ("generous" in that the frame-by-frame makes it look closer to the 13.25 mark, but we'll save that as a fudge factor), and it lands right at the back line of the end zone (because Odunze was ruled out of bounds with one foot in and the other out of bounds), which is 10 yards deep. So the ball covered 23.5 yards in 0.95 seconds, meaning it was traveling at 24.73 yards/sec [EDIT: Typo error, math still the same], which converts to 50.5 mph on a throw made without contact to the turf and partial sideways momentum.


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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

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NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

...

"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."

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Damn I'm Good :lol: :lol: It might be time for you to tap out Tee Time. Or find yourself someone else to caddy for. Now "WE" see why he didn't want to throw at the combine don't "we"? Your source was his personal QB coach you damn clown :lol: :lol:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/what-sets- ... drafts-qbs

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While talking on the The Sports Hub 98.5's Toucher & Hardy Show, Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer revealed more about Williams' true arm strength that only someone very close to him would know. That's because he found it out from Williams' personal QB coach.

Ultimately, it says Williams can dial it up or down far better than anyone else in the draft.

"I think Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye are close as prospects," Breer said on the podcast. "I think Caleb's in a different category.

"And one thing that was really interesting, I talked to his personal quarterbacks coach last week."

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

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NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

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"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."

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Damn I'm Good :lol: :lol: It might be time for you to tap out Tee Time. Or find yourself someone else to caddy for. Now "WE" see why he didn't want to throw at the combine don't "we"? Your source was his personal QB coach you damn clown :lol: :lol:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/what-sets- ... drafts-qbs

I've never met the man but I'm sure Caleb's QB coach is of sound enough mind to read and comprehend the reading from a radar gun. Or do you think he's lying?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... th/551779/

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NFL insider Albert Breer recently unveiled a unique trait of his that exceeds the rest on the "Toucher & Hardy" podcast.

...

"You guys know the idea of putting touch on the ball and being able to change speeds and how important that is in football. This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 miles per hour range on his ball. So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour. There's generally a four-mile per range on a guy's ball.

"Caleb Williams has 10 miles per hour range. When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 miles per hour."

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Damn I'm Good :lol: :lol: It might be time for you to tap out Tee Time. Or find yourself someone else to caddy for. Now "WE" see why he didn't want to throw at the combine don't "we"? Your source was his personal QB coach you damn clown :lol: :lol:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/what-sets- ... drafts-qbs

I've never met the man but I'm sure Caleb's QB coach is of sound enough mind to read and comprehend the reading from a radar gun. Or do you think he's lying?

To suggest that you are as dumb as dogshit is actually an insult to dogshit. :lol: But hey Cresty Your Bestie is obviously impressed. Which says a helluva lot about him doesn't it? :lol: :lol:

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Hey Tee Time. Care to explain how insight that you gathered from Caleb's personal QB coach happens to be "credible"? Just Asking A Question :lol:

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This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 mph range on his ball," Breer told Toucher & Hardy. "So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour.


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"That can slide based on a guy's arm strength but there's generally a 4 mph range on a guy's ball."

And with Williams?

"Caleb Williams has 10 mph range," Breer said. "When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 in his ability to control the ball."

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So your evidence, which Trumps both the eye test and talent graders and even radar gun data, that Caleb Williams doesn't have at least very good arm strength is...that he didn't throw at the combine? How very academic of you.


In a word Yes :lol: :lol: Your "Radar Gun" was Williams Personal QB coach who happens to work for him :lol: :lol: And gets paid to lie essentially. What "we" in the academic arena refer to as a "deeper dive" Tee Time. Stick To Caddying!


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And one thing that was really interesting, I talked to his personal quarterbacks coach last week
This guy told me basically what they see in-game simulation situations is that a quarterback has about 4 mph range on his ball," Breer told Toucher & Hardy. "So most of the quarterbacks they see throw it roughly between touch throws and drive throws between 47-51 miles per hour.


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"That can slide based on a guy's arm strength but there's generally a 4 mph range on a guy's ball."

And with Williams?

"Caleb Williams has 10 mph range," Breer said. "When they worked with him, he's been 46-56 in his ability to control the ball."

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Now let's do LTG's hand-picked evidence of Justin Fields' arm strength, an off-platform throw similar enough to warrant comparing to the Caleb example:

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https://youtube.com/shorts/nAxZbgSMZlM? ... 0vtbaOy8w9



Ball in the air for 1.(52/60) seconds, covering 46 yards. Computes to 24.59 yards/sec, or 50.3 mph thereabouts.


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Your "Radar Gun" was Williams Personal QB coach who happens to work for him :lol: :lol: And gets paid to lie essentially.

I don't think that is at all what a coach is supposed to do.


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