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lol.. good ole forum raid. It’s been a minute.


You should copy and paste some USA and LTG responses over there and see what comes..


You can get a few interesting nuggets, like to read the takes on opposing teams boards, Titans fans were spot on about Nate Davis.

One gets a ton of in town stupid from the vaunted "Bears Media", which had devolved into a groupthink mess when Captain Grab Ass Matt Nagy was coaching the team, all of them were telling us what a genius Nagy was, but the on field product said otherwise.

Remember reading how disorganized and sloppy the Bears looked during training camp joint practices on another teams message board, you were not getting that from the evangelical Bears Media members who were all there and saw the same thing, but kept spewing the same BS.


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Sounds like it is crunch time for Fields:

The Steelers elected not to put Wilson on injured reserve at the start of the season, which would have kept him out for a minimum of four games. His return comes at a time when Fields' runway appears to be getting smaller with the offense struggling.

Pittsburgh ranks 23rd in yards (299.4) and 26th in points per game (18.4). The offense has committed five turnovers in the past three games, with Fields responsible for two of them (one interception, one lost fumble).

Fields is still having issues holding onto the ball. His five fumbles are tied for most in the NFL. His 43 fumbles since entering the league in 2021 are eight more than anyone else during that span.


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Crunch time means he's tucking the ball and running. It's worked before, sometimes in a big way.


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The interception in the red zone that was overturned due to roughing is the kind of head scratcher we used to see from Fields. While he's not the dynamic runner he was in Chicago, he's no longer a turnover machine. Surprisingly, the Steelers defense is still great enough to beat you if their offense protects the ball. He's done that.

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If the Bears currently had Justin Fields, with this schedule, that collection of talent on offense and defense. they'd be 5-1 or 6-0 and everyone knows it.
That is why Bears fans wanted to keep him around. We know that he never had shit to work with here. Caleb Williams wins have come against teams with a combined record of 4-18 last I checked. No one would give him props for that besides Kool Aid drinking Bears fans. 2nd half of the season the schedule ramps up in huge way and then you will see what he is made of.

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If the Bears currently had Justin Fields, with this schedule, that collection of talent on offense and defense. they'd be 5-1 or 6-0 and everyone knows it.
That is why Bears fans wanted to keep him around. We know that he never had shit to work with here. Caleb Williams wins have come against teams with a combined record of 4-18 last I checked. No one would give him props for that besides Kool Aid drinking Bears fans. 2nd half of the season the schedule ramps up in huge way and then you will see what he is made of.


What are the 3 things you like most about Justin Fields? What are 3 things you think he needs to improve on?

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If the Bears currently had Justin Fields, with this schedule, that collection of talent on offense and defense. they'd be 5-1 or 6-0 and everyone knows it.
That is why Bears fans wanted to keep him around. We know that he never had shit to work with here. Caleb Williams wins have come against teams with a combined record of 4-18 last I checked. No one would give him props for that besides Kool Aid drinking Bears fans. 2nd half of the season the schedule ramps up in huge way and then you will see what he is made of.


What are the 3 things you like most about Justin Fields? What are 3 things you think he needs to improve on?

1. Elite Athleticism. Probably top 3 ever at the QB position and you can really see it with Pittsburgh. In each and every game this season he is extending drives by running when there is absolutely nothing there. Pittsburgh receivers (and the stats bear this out) are the worst at getting open in the league.

2. He has a very strong arm and is much more accurate than he gets credit for

3. Toughness. The kid is tough as nails. He has taken a number of hits since he has been in the league and still competes each and every week. Played on shit teams that were obviously tanking and still tried to find ways to win each and every week.

Things he has to work on.

1. Too many miscues. Fumbled snaps, center QB exchanges miscommunications on the snap count. Those sorts of things. While they aren't all on him, he does have to shoulder the blame on some, if not most of it.

2. Holding onto the ball and trying to make a play when it is evident that he should simply throw it away. And I'm not talking about While in the pocket and the play blows up on him. I'm talking about when he scrambles and is in retreat and gets sacked for a 10+ yard loss. Has to stop with that.

3. He has to demonstrate more poise while under center. He almost always has the look of someone expecting the bottom to fall out for some reason. I don't know if it's a byproduct of his time here or that is just who he is as a player. I think it's more a product of playing for a perennial loser who always expected to lose more than anything but we shall see.

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Hypothetical Justin Fields would be undefeated with this team! Real Caleb Williams sucks in comparison because he's only 4-2!

Superb analysis.


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On the other hand lauding a guy whose wins have come against teams with a combined record of 4-18 qualifies as REALLY SMART FOOTBALL TALK! :lol: :lol:

Just always have to remember that he plays golf

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I don't think you can win multiple playoff games with a QB rushing the ball 10 times. There's a ton of nuance in that statement. And I believe Mahomes and Lamar would agree with the statement. I think Fields would agree. It isn't a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of processing. Processing the failures, the successes, the timing, the stress, the instincts, the defense's gameplans, their motivations, melding with your own receivers minds. Staying healthy. Staying sharp. Being a killer.

Ever since I saw that Netflix doc, I've been fascinated. You got the guy that gets it and seems born for it, you got the guy who gets it but has to look for every single edge he can find to maintain it, and you got the guy who can't get past step one and would need 5 years to get to step two. This isn't a craft that has the time a normal person would need.


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I don't think you can win multiple playoff games with a QB rushing the ball 10 times. There's a ton of nuance in that statement. And I believe Mahomes and Lamar would agree with the statement. I think Fields would agree. It isn't a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of processing. Processing the failures, the successes, the timing, the stress, the instincts, the defense's gameplans, their motivations, melding with your own receivers minds. Staying healthy. Staying sharp. Being a killer.

Ever since I saw that Netflix doc, I've been fascinated. You got the guy that gets it and seems born for it, you got the guy who gets it but has to look for every single edge he can find to maintain it, and you got the guy who can't get past step one and would need 5 years to get to step two. This isn't a craft that has the time a normal person would need.


Those runs aren't designed runs. Fields is running Moreso out of desperation than he is by choice. For all of the talk about Olines Pittsburgh's sucks. They started the year with 3 backups in the starting lineup and Broderick Thomas is worse than any lineman that the Bears have currently.

Gets beat regularly and is a penalty machine.

The reason that Fields continues to start is because (I suspect) that Tomlin and Smith realize that he is the only true weapon which they have on offense besides Pickens. Najee Harris played well yesterday but he has sucked other than yesterday. Pickens is talented but the talent isn't being matched by his performance and the rest of the players on offense are jobbers.

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I don't think you can win multiple playoff games with a QB rushing the ball 10 times. There's a ton of nuance in that statement. And I believe Mahomes and Lamar would agree with the statement. I think Fields would agree. It isn't a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of processing. Processing the failures, the successes, the timing, the stress, the instincts, the defense's gameplans, their motivations, melding with your own receivers minds. Staying healthy. Staying sharp. Being a killer.

Ever since I saw that Netflix doc, I've been fascinated. You got the guy that gets it and seems born for it, you got the guy who gets it but has to look for every single edge he can find to maintain it, and you got the guy who can't get past step one and would need 5 years to get to step two. This isn't a craft that has the time a normal person would need.


Those runs aren't designed runs. Fields is running Moreso out of desperation than he is by choice. For all of the talk about Olines Pittsburgh's sucks. They started the year with 3 backups in the starting lineup and Broderick Thomas is worse than any lineman that the Bears have currently.

Gets beat regularly and is a penalty machine.

The reason that Fields continues to start is because (I suspect) that Tomlin and Smith realize that he is the only true weapon which they have on offense besides Pickens. Najee Harris played well yesterday but he has sucked other than yesterday. Pickens is talented but the talent isn't being matched by his performance and the rest of the players on offense are jobbers.

Generally speaking, QB rushes(desperation or not) are short view fixes to get to the long view. They are not a game plan. 10 rushes is a failed game plan. It's a cheat. It's not a champion's strategy unless you also throw for 300 yds.


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Nardi wrote:
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I don't think you can win multiple playoff games with a QB rushing the ball 10 times. There's a ton of nuance in that statement. And I believe Mahomes and Lamar would agree with the statement. I think Fields would agree. It isn't a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of processing. Processing the failures, the successes, the timing, the stress, the instincts, the defense's gameplans, their motivations, melding with your own receivers minds. Staying healthy. Staying sharp. Being a killer.

Ever since I saw that Netflix doc, I've been fascinated. You got the guy that gets it and seems born for it, you got the guy who gets it but has to look for every single edge he can find to maintain it, and you got the guy who can't get past step one and would need 5 years to get to step two. This isn't a craft that has the time a normal person would need.


Those runs aren't designed runs. Fields is running Moreso out of desperation than he is by choice. For all of the talk about Olines Pittsburgh's sucks. They started the year with 3 backups in the starting lineup and Broderick Thomas is worse than any lineman that the Bears have currently.

Gets beat regularly and is a penalty machine.

The reason that Fields continues to start is because (I suspect) that Tomlin and Smith realize that he is the only true weapon which they have on offense besides Pickens. Najee Harris played well yesterday but he has sucked other than yesterday. Pickens is talented but the talent isn't being matched by his performance and the rest of the players on offense are jobbers.

Generally speaking, QB rushes(desperation or not) are short view fixes to get to the long view. They are not a game plan. 10 rushes is a failed game plan. It's a cheat. It's not a champion's strategy unless you also throw for 300 yds.


But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?

The Doctor Of Excuses.


The spinning and revisionist history on your part is getting out of hand at this point McCarver.

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

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Juiced wrote:
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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...


Would you check out this chief "excusemaker"
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Perfect. We can compare Fields and Williams right away.


Not really. You have Fields going into his 4th year starting and Williams playing his first game.

Would expect pretty even stats for both of them. Williams will start to separate from Fields hopefully midway through the season.


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This is how I felt after the game. Big difference from Fields missing wide open reads and Caleb over throwing them when under pressure. He is seeing the correct read and just has to get comfortable enough to complete the throw. Fields and Mitch would have tunnel vision and miss wide open guys waiving their hands at them to pass the ball.

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...


Hardly an "excuse" here is it? :lol: :lol:

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Justin Fields should be outperforming Caleb so far. This is his fourth year in the league. Caleb hasn't even played four games yet. :lol: and Justin has a much better OL then Caleb.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...



When Fieldd had better stats despite fewer attempts, his fewer attempts were "rationalized" by you as an "inability to throw"
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Justin Fields has been decidedly better than Caleb Williams


Fields has 6 more yards then Williams so far you clown.


On 23 fewer pass attempts you dope


And why do you think they are not letting Fields throw the ball you dope. He's on the same gameplan as M.Willis :lol:

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...

Hardly an excuse here is it :lol: :lol:


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The overreactions are comical but understandable given the history of the Bears.

I saw improvement from Caleb in the first half and panic in the second half. His Oline did him no favors and his OC didn't help by not having a hot route available to him to beat the blitz. How many times did you see players streaking downfield when HOU was blitzing! Waldren needs to protect his young QB better in game 3.

Not having a center after 3 seasons is criminal of Poles. No excuse for Sheldon being your starting center.

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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?

My point isn't about blame. It's about development. I've seen very little. Every team's QB should have high ceiling aspirations. Does he know what it takes to be a great QB or is he just surviving. The great ones know.
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But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...



When Fieldd had better stats despite fewer attempts, his fewer attempts were "rationalized" by you as an "inability to throw"
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields has been decidedly better than Caleb Williams


Fields has 6 more yards then Williams so far you clown.


On 23 fewer pass attempts you dope


And why do you think they are not letting Fields throw the ball you dope. He's on the same gameplan as M.Willis :lol:


Everything I said was true. What part do you disagree with?


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Juiced wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juiced wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
But if it's not a strategy then what are we talking about? I'm not going to penalize Fields because he runs a 4.4 and has the ability to compensate for shitty lines and bad receivers

Isn't your whole point is that it's unfair to blame Fields for his terrible record in Chicago because everyone else was bad?


If the Bears were trying to lose, then how can you blame Justin Fields for the losing?


The Bears were not trying to lose last season. Was suppose to be Fields break out year with D.Moore, D.Mooney, T.Scott and Kmet.

Next excuse in 3,2,1...



When Fieldd had better stats despite fewer attempts, his fewer attempts were "rationalized" by you as an "inability to throw"
Juiced wrote:
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Juiced wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields has been decidedly better than Caleb Williams


Fields has 6 more yards then Williams so far you clown.


On 23 fewer pass attempts you dope


And why do you think they are not letting Fields throw the ball you dope. He's on the same gameplan as M.Willis :lol:


Everything I said was true. What part do you disagree with?


You made quite a few excuses and now you're whining about excuses. If not point anything which I have cited which isn't an excuse made by you.

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I don't think you can win multiple playoff games with a QB rushing the ball 10 times. There's a ton of nuance in that statement. And I believe Mahomes and Lamar would agree with the statement. I think Fields would agree. It isn't a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of processing. Processing the failures, the successes, the timing, the stress, the instincts, the defense's gameplans, their motivations, melding with your own receivers minds. Staying healthy. Staying sharp. Being a killer.

Ever since I saw that Netflix doc, I've been fascinated. You got the guy that gets it and seems born for it, you got the guy who gets it but has to look for every single edge he can find to maintain it, and you got the guy who can't get past step one and would need 5 years to get to step two. This isn't a craft that has the time a normal person would need.


Those runs aren't designed runs. Fields is running Moreso out of desperation than he is by choice. For all of the talk about Olines Pittsburgh's sucks. They started the year with 3 backups in the starting lineup and Broderick Thomas is worse than any lineman that the Bears have currently.

Gets beat regularly and is a penalty machine.

The reason that Fields continues to start is because (I suspect) that Tomlin and Smith realize that he is the only true weapon which they have on offense besides Pickens. Najee Harris played well yesterday but he has sucked other than yesterday. Pickens is talented but the talent isn't being matched by his performance and the rest of the players on offense are jobbers.


This panel of experts could not have stated it any better than I did. .
https://youtu.be/KCoPz-AKhyg?si=_GCxIQHbc0NN4rLk

The Steelers are winning with an OLine and receiving corps that is much worse than the Bears. Why? Because Justin Fields is a bonafide playmaker and dare I and Rex Ryan say, "Franchise Quarterback". And stout defense on most days. He is what little offense that the Steelers have currently. Switching to Russ doesn't patch up the glaring holes that they possess on offense. Fields can with his ability to run. Which is why he is still starting.

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