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I would say the ROY is a dead heat now. Daniels has the edge in yards and completion % but Caleb has more TD's and big plays. Given momentum I would say this race is over and Caleb is the winner by mid November.


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Average draft position of guys who caught passes yesterday:

Bears: 39th

Redskins: 108th

early 2nd round average vs mid fourth. Bears have two 1st. two 2nd and a 3rd. Other than old man Ertz, Washington's guys all 3rd round or later.


Daniels looked off yesterday. For a QB who was advertised as hyper-accurate, didn't seem all that accurate yesterday.
Missing passes low early-on, pulling his arm into his body, feeling the rib injury?
Haven't seen Daniels play enough if he often does that or it was the ribs, the ribs, the motherfucking baby-back, baby-back baby-back ribs. yum

Fun guy to watch play; but Daniels didn't seem leagues beyond Williams, taking into account Caleb's NFL games to date and not just yesterday.


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Average draft position of guys who caught passes yesterday:

Bears: 39th

Redskins: 108th

early 2nd round average vs mid fourth. Bears have two 1st. two 2nd and a 3rd. Other than old man Ertz, Washington's guys all 3rd round or later.


Daniels looked off yesterday. For a QB who was advertised as hyper-accurate, didn't seem all that accurate yesterday.
Missing passes low early-on, pulling his arm into his body, feeling the rib injury?
Haven't seen Daniels play enough if he often does that or it was the ribs, the ribs, the motherfucking baby-back, baby-back baby-back ribs. yum

Fun guy to watch play; but Daniels didn't seem leagues beyond Williams, taking into account Caleb's NFL games to date and not just yesterday.

Rookie QB production doesn't matter that much. It's obviously an issue if they never look good but with any rookie it doesn't really correlate to their career in any meaningful way. Even the great CJ Stroud is seeing a slight regression this year.

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Average draft position of guys who caught passes yesterday:

Bears: 39th

Redskins: 108th

early 2nd round average vs mid fourth. Bears have two 1st. two 2nd and a 3rd. Other than old man Ertz, Washington's guys all 3rd round or later.


Daniels looked off yesterday. For a QB who was advertised as hyper-accurate, didn't seem all that accurate yesterday.
Missing passes low early-on, pulling his arm into his body, feeling the rib injury?
Haven't seen Daniels play enough if he often does that or it was the ribs, the ribs, the motherfucking baby-back, baby-back baby-back ribs. yum

Fun guy to watch play; but Daniels didn't seem leagues beyond Williams, taking into account Caleb's NFL games to date and not just yesterday.




Calling out the draft position of guys who have been in the league for a while now doesn't mean shit. What they've turned into at the NFL level is what its all about. And guys like Ertz, Ekeler, and McLaurin are very good players.


Daniels looked good on his chunk plays (deep passes), his runs, and his control over the offense.. but he's a rookie and this is the best defense he's most likely seen so far in his early career. I've already watched two other Washington games this year so I know what he looks like. He's impressive for a rookie QB being put right in from the beginning as a starter. Same goes for Caleb. Both guys are making strides game by game, there are going to be ups and downs tho for sure. Just part of the developmental process.


Daniels still needs to learn how to finish in the red zone -he made some solid throws there against the Bears but they didn't connect. This is a pretty common issue for all young QB's, and I'm actually happy that this has been a strength at times for Williams.

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Kliff is worth his weight in gold in 1 respect. He schemes Daniels' number one option open a good 80% of the time. Not so much for Waldron.

And the Bears WR are not well matched, that's becoming so obvious. There's nobody that takes the lid off the defense. Two guys in Rome and Keenan who are similar and DJ, who is best used in a Deebo role. There's nobody like scary Terry who can just outrun everybody.

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OK the Redskin’s receivers are open by scheme the Bears receivers are open by talent. Tomato, tomato. It’s not an excuse for why Daniels is so much vastly better than Williams.


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2 things are true. Caleb had a very bad day Sunday. And his WR are often not open. Often.

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Those Fields talking points are getting dusted off. If only there were images or video available to challenge these thoughts.

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I feel sorry for Fields. I don't think he's got the same recognition abilities but we'll never know because he wasn't properly supported and it's too late now for him to be everything he could have been. Let's hope Ben Johnson comes to town and brings some O-line strength with him.

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

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I feel sorry for Fields. I don't think he's got the same recognition abilities but we'll never know because he wasn't properly supported and it's too late now for him to be everything he could have been. Let's hope Ben Johnson comes to town and brings some O-line strength with him.

Feel sorry for Fields :lol: :cry: :lol:

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.


Have you heard Johnson speak or are you just aping the media's narrative?

Dan Campbell is the straw in Detroit. There's ZERO evidence that Johnson is as good of an offensive coordinator as Eberflus is a defensive coordinator. There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team. He hasn't believed he could for the past 2 years.

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.


Have you heard Johnson speak or are you just aping the media's narrative?

Dan Campbell is the straw in Detroit. There's ZERO evidence that Johnson is as good of an offensive coordinator as Eberflus is a defensive coordinator. There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team. He hasn't believed he could for the past 2 years.

Yes, Dan Campbell stirs the drink, provides the attitude, etc.

I'll answer your question with a question. Have you seen the creativity in Ben's offense? Have you seen the Bears play with a good OC? No, I don't know how he'll be as a head coach. And Eberflus IS a good D Coordinator. BUT Eberflus clearly, clearly, after three seasons, a bad head coach.

1. Poor situational coaching
2. Complete inability to win on the road-Yes, that's on the OC too. Fair.
3. When the chips are down, a complete lack of accountability for himself. Go back to Indy where he would blame his own players.

I'd love a cogent, well thought out response to this.

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The Bears offensive line is mediocre and injured but other than that there is not much wrong with the conditions now. Even Waldron is doing a good job, you’ve got a quarterback who is basically zero threat to pass effectively and they still run the ball well. Even the Kramer play would’ve been fine if Caleb didn’t biff the hand-off.

Ben Johnson will scout the Bears twice this year. I am guessing his enthusiasm for the Bears will crater once he sees the impossible task he will be graded on.


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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.


Have you heard Johnson speak or are you just aping the media's narrative?

Dan Campbell is the straw in Detroit. There's ZERO evidence that Johnson is as good of an offensive coordinator as Eberflus is a defensive coordinator. There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team. He hasn't believed he could for the past 2 years.

Yes, Dan Campbell stirs the drink, provides the attitude, etc.

I'll answer your question with a question. Have you seen the creativity in Ben's offense? Have you seen the Bears play with a good OC? No, I don't know how he'll be as a head coach. And Eberflus IS a good D Coordinator. BUT Eberflus clearly, clearly, after three seasons, a bad head coach.

1. Poor situational coaching
2. Complete inability to win on the road-Yes, that's on the OC too. Fair.
3. When the chips are down, a complete lack of accountability for himself. Go back to Indy where he would blame his own players.

I'd love a cogent, well thought out response to this.


I see Ben Johnson with arguably the most talented offense in the NFL. I don't see him doing anything special with the amazing talent he has. I've seen Eberflus squeeze greatness out of average to an above average group of players. I believe Eberflus is a better defensive coordinator than Johnson is an offensive coordinator.

I see a Bears team that generally loves their coach and by all accounts they have a good culture. I do also see a head coach who is learning on the job, but making progress.

When I hear Ben Johnson speak, I don't hear a guy who can motivate anyone. I see a guy who has reached his ceiling and that's AFRAID to leave because he knows he can't be a head coach. If he doesn't have confidence in himself, why should I?

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Keep in mind where Goff was prior to working with Johnson.

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The Bears offensive line is mediocre and injured but other than that there is not much wrong with the conditions now. Even Waldron is doing a good job, you’ve got a quarterback who is basically zero threat to pass effectively and they still run the ball well. Even the Kramer play would’ve been fine if Caleb didn’t biff the hand-off.

Ben Johnson will scout the Bears twice this year. I am guessing his enthusiasm for the Bears will crater once he sees the impossible task he will be graded on.

:roll: the team was worse last year and he wanted the job.
Waldron is doing a good job? His Oline can't work together, the guards especially are terrible as well as the center, he has both Rome and DJ in the wrong spots, he doesn't know how to use his RB's, he hasn't realized that Swift, who I do love, can't block, he brought in his boy Everett who has been an absolute waste of space, etc etc etc. Caleb was bad last game. Don't let that confuse you as to who the main problem is.

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Keep in mind where Goff was prior to working with Johnson.


Keep in mind the talent he has around him. I'm not saying Goff hasn't regained the confidence McVay stole from him, but it would be hard to suck with the Lions offense.

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.


Have you heard Johnson speak or are you just aping the media's narrative?

Dan Campbell is the straw in Detroit. There's ZERO evidence that Johnson is as good of an offensive coordinator as Eberflus is a defensive coordinator. There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team. He hasn't believed he could for the past 2 years.

Yes, Dan Campbell stirs the drink, provides the attitude, etc.

I'll answer your question with a question. Have you seen the creativity in Ben's offense? Have you seen the Bears play with a good OC? No, I don't know how he'll be as a head coach. And Eberflus IS a good D Coordinator. BUT Eberflus clearly, clearly, after three seasons, a bad head coach.

1. Poor situational coaching
2. Complete inability to win on the road-Yes, that's on the OC too. Fair.
3. When the chips are down, a complete lack of accountability for himself. Go back to Indy where he would blame his own players.

I'd love a cogent, well thought out response to this.


I see Ben Johnson with arguably the most talented offense in the NFL. I don't see him doing anything special with the amazing talent he has. I've seen Eberflus squeeze greatness out of average to an above average group of players. I believe Eberflus is a better defensive coordinator than Johnson is an offensive coordinator.

I see a Bears team that generally loves their coach and by all accounts they have a good culture. I do also see a head coach who is learning on the job, but making progress.

When I hear Ben Johnson speak, I don't hear a guy who can motivate anyone. I see a guy who has reached his ceiling and that's AFRAID to leave because he knows he can't be a head coach. If he doesn't have confidence in himself, why should I?


I think Goff is a bad QB. Bad. Ben Johnson and McVay before him made this guy a good QB. He's as dumb as a box of rocks. Do they have a better O-line? Yes. Do they have better WR? Riddle me that. The Bears HAD one of their RB and were not a good team.

I DON'T CARE if the players love Eberflus. I think even you can figure out why they like him. Why is that important? What has being liked by the players gotten him offensively? Your best, youngest, cheapest, longest term asset is on offense. Hire a head coach who is a OC.

I don't know Johnson personally. But if he was actively trying to get the Bears job last year, he's not afraid of media scrutiny, clearly. And not afraid to leave for the much brighter role here.

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There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team.

whats the evidence that eberflus can lead a team? Because there is ample evidence he cannot.

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I see Ben Johnson with arguably the most talented offense in the NFL. I don't see him doing anything special with the amazing talent he has.

then you must be blind my friend

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There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team.

whats the evidence that eberflus can lead a team? Because there is ample evidence he cannot.

And that about sums it up.

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Why should we hope Ben Johnson comes to town? At best, we're hoping he's as good of an OC as Eberflus is a DC. He has no head coaching experience. He doesn't inspire anyone when he speaks. More importantly, he hasn't wanted a job for 2 years.

I WANT A BEARS TEAM WHERE THE OC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. And that seems to be a way to fix that. It's that simple.

Do they have a bad O line? Yes. Do they have WR in the wrong positions? Yes. Should Rome be the X and DJ be the Z? Yes. Has Caleb been bad? Yes. Are they asking him to change too much at the line? Yes. But THE OC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. Having a uninspiring head coach is also a major issue but one fix at a time.


Have you heard Johnson speak or are you just aping the media's narrative?

Dan Campbell is the straw in Detroit. There's ZERO evidence that Johnson is as good of an offensive coordinator as Eberflus is a defensive coordinator. There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team. He hasn't believed he could for the past 2 years.

Yes, Dan Campbell stirs the drink, provides the attitude, etc.

I'll answer your question with a question. Have you seen the creativity in Ben's offense? Have you seen the Bears play with a good OC? No, I don't know how he'll be as a head coach. And Eberflus IS a good D Coordinator. BUT Eberflus clearly, clearly, after three seasons, a bad head coach.

1. Poor situational coaching
2. Complete inability to win on the road-Yes, that's on the OC too. Fair.
3. When the chips are down, a complete lack of accountability for himself. Go back to Indy where he would blame his own players.

I'd love a cogent, well thought out response to this.


I see Ben Johnson with arguably the most talented offense in the NFL. I don't see him doing anything special with the amazing talent he has. I've seen Eberflus squeeze greatness out of average to an above average group of players. I believe Eberflus is a better defensive coordinator than Johnson is an offensive coordinator.

I see a Bears team that generally loves their coach and by all accounts they have a good culture. I do also see a head coach who is learning on the job, but making progress.

When I hear Ben Johnson speak, I don't hear a guy who can motivate anyone. I see a guy who has reached his ceiling and that's AFRAID to leave because he knows he can't be a head coach. If he doesn't have confidence in himself, why should I?


I think Goff is a bad QB. Bad. Ben Johnson and McVay before him made this guy a good QB. He's as dumb as a box of rocks. Do they have a better O-line? Yes. Do they have better WR? Riddle me that. The Bears HAD one of their RB and were not a good team.

I DON'T CARE if the players love Eberflus. I think even you can figure out why they like him. Why is that important? What has being liked by the players gotten him offensively? Your best, youngest, cheapest, longest term asset is on offense. Hire a head coach who is a OC.

I don't know Johnson personally. But if he was actively trying to get the Bears job last year, he's not afraid of media scrutiny, clearly. And not afraid to leave for the much brighter role here.


He's having success with GREAT talent. Keep in mind, he's not rewriting the record books with this talent. At the moment, the Lions have a better quarterback, offensive line, TE, RB's, and a true #1 receiver.

Wanting to play for your coach matters. We had the innovative Trestman here. That stuff matters. It's gotten him a lot defensively. The offense is fairly new. It took Ben Johnson about 10 weeks to get a better offense working years ago. Besides, we're comparing the sides of the ball they control.

You should get to know Ben Johnson better. Listen to him speak. The job wasn't open. Saying he was interested is bullshit. The guy wet himself before his final interview and told an owner he didn't want to get on a plane. That he was going to stay in Detroit. That he wasn't ready to be a head coach.

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well, Nas, you keep on going with what is certifiably a bad HC, a bad OC (since this is important to you-whose players DID NOT LIKE HIM in Seattle) and a D that will have to do double work all year to make up for a bad HC and bad OC. Let's not change anything, it's all fine.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:34 am 
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There's ZERO evidence he's able to lead a team.

whats the evidence that eberflus can lead a team? Because there is ample evidence he cannot.


I saw a coach start last season on the hot seat and keep the locker room together. ZERO gripes or leaks came out of there about him as a coach. I saw a coach rally an average defense to win 6 of his last 11 games, despite having Justin Fields. They've now won 10 of their last 17 games.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:37 am 
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I can never for sure tell when you're serious, Nas. My fear after the Carolina game was that they would keep Eberflus around. I'm the happiest person in the room after the Washington game and I'm hoping Arizona shows just how bad this team is in terms of discipline.

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well, Nas, you keep on going with what is certifiably a bad HC, a bad OC (since this is important to you-whose players DID NOT LIKE HIM in Seattle) and a D that will have to do double work all year to make up for a bad HC and bad OC. Let's not change anything, it's all fine.


The defense is being ran by the HC.

You haven't told me one thing that would make Johnson a better head coach. He sucks talking to the media. He didn't believe he could be a head coach for consecutive years. He's not better running his unit than Eberflus is, even though he has more talent. Eberflus has given his unit problems head to head, even though Johnson has more talent.

Not being the guy you've been instructed to hate isn't enough.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:44 am 
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well, Nas, you keep on going with what is certifiably a bad HC, a bad OC (since this is important to you-whose players DID NOT LIKE HIM in Seattle) and a D that will have to do double work all year to make up for a bad HC and bad OC. Let's not change anything, it's all fine.


The defense is being ran by the HC.

You haven't told me one thing that would make Johnson a better head coach. He sucks talking to the media. He didn't believe he could be a head coach for consecutive years. He's not better running his unit than Eberflus is, even though he has more talent. Eberflus has given his unit problems head to head, even though Johnson has more talent.

Not being the guy you've been instructed to hate isn't enough.

I don't know if he'll be a better HC. But his offensive schemes are very good. And we can't get McVay or Kliff. and Kliff year two in most stops hasn't been good so I think Johnson is the best option. If I could hire him as a OC, I would but he won't take that job.

This can't work with Eberflus as HC. It can't. He's bad for the reasons listed above which are legit and verifiable. You can ask good questions about the GM but he's not going anywhere, so it starts with HC.

He's not better at running his unit? What does that even mean? Did you watch the Redskins game? You don't mind what his (still) undisciplined player did?

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