Williams puts a lot of air under his deep throws,



doesn't have that laser-on-a-rope arc of a Stafford or Josh Allen or even a Brock Mid:

Yep but "we" were told repeatedly that he has a "cannon" and "can throw". Where is that lying ass QB trainer of his when "we" really need him? Also a great use of an old school term "huff" to describe his ability to throw deep.

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Rome was so open Caleb was ensuring the catch.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

you dont risk overthrowing it there. no issue with the throw. Rome could have perhaps made a move after the catch. he went down faster than swift does upon first contact

Chase Daniel's breakdown of the film was quite different than Tim Jenkins. Where Jenkins tended to blame everyone but (Caleb) Chase Daniel's harshest criticism was for Caleb. He was able to illustrate how Caleb routinely missed his checkdown receiver and missed D J. Moore at least twice. Once for a TD. If there is a silver lining, it's that the issue Caleb seemed to be having was easily correctible, but he has to want to correct it.

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I think I watched a different Chase Daniel 14 play recap than you did.

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I think you did too.

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Caleb Williams: By The Numbers.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024 ... g-accuracy

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*Yawn*


Clickbait, nothing more.



Most of this is meaningless because we're talking about a rookie QB on a bad team with no O-line in front of him. Its funny that the article mentions 'rankings' by the numbers when you can easily go back and look at many other rookie QB's who have gone on to be very successful in their careers that ranked as bad or worse than Caleb at this point in their rookie years.


But since everyone likes 'numbers' so much lets have a conversation about that.. specifically the vaunted 'QBR' rating so many naysayers like to parade around as if its some magic 8 ball of infinite future success and wisdom..


Caleb currently sits at 42.0. Terrible right? No chance he could go on to improve after this..


Lets start with Joe Burrow. He finished his rookie season with an amazing 48.5 QBR that year. Spectacular.

Baker Mayfield? A little better with a 51.2.

Josh Allen? 49.8

Jalen Hurts? 33.8.. only a 4 game sample size but don't worry..


..heres where it gets fun..

Mathew Stafford -who started 10 games- and has easily had a HoF trajectory especially with a SB ring now stapled to his resume.. 37.1. I mean, how could he have gone on to future success? The QBR clearly proves it wasn't possible.


How bout Lamar Jackson? You know, the guy who seems to win MVP every other season.. yeah he finished with a 42.6.. and thats with a good coach and a pretty good O-line backing him.


But I'm not finished here. Oh no, I want to drive this point specifically about 'QBR' home so here goes..


Justin Herbert currently sits at around 56.6 QBR for the season. 'Well NME' I hear you say 'you see, thats like the highest one you've listed in this post so far and its almost 15 points higher than Calebs current rating..'


Well dear reader, thats true but consider this.. Herbert has played in 8 games so far this season.. his team is currently 5-3, in four of those games he has had a QB rating of 100 points or higher and over 90 points or better in the other four games with a 92 being his lowest. He has 10 TD's to just 1 interception, and hes completing at least 65% of his passes with only one game out of 8 going below 60% (at 59%).


Yeah, I'm not buying into any of this 'by the numbers' nonsense metric nerds are championing as their mic drop on a rookie QB and it being some possible predictor of future success or failure. Its meaningless. Plenty of rookie QB's struggle their 1st season. Its common, its actually the norm, and whats funny to me at the end of all this.. when specifically talking about the Bears, Caleb has vastly outperformed the 1st season of any QB we've seen here. He's even on pace to outperform Jay Cutler's 1st season in a Bears uniform.. the same Jay Cutler who was in his 3rd year as an NFL QB that had just thrown for 4500 yards the season prior and holds most of the Bears passing records.


Oh I can see it now 'HA thats not a high bar to clear'.. and sure, thats true, but he's at least clearing that bar in his 1st year with no O-line and garbage coaching around him on a team thats in the midst of quitting on the coach.


And when almost everyone -including the 'Caleb is a bum' crew can admit there is no O-line here, and poor coaching.. its hard for me to take anyone also saying 'this kid sucks' seriously. As if those prior two things wouldn't have any effect on a rookie QB. The absurdity of those thoughts combined is pretty telling of the ones regurgitating those thoughts.


So, go on and dance around your fires in the middle of the night chanting 'Rumpelstiltskin' clutching every click bait article about stat metrics you can find comfort in to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make.


Me? Imma let this play out. Just like I did for Mitch, and just like I did for Justin. If Caleb is still the same dude after 3 seasons the picture becomes a lot clearer and much more undeniable. Until then, its all 'huff'..

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

The "He's Just A Rookie Stuff" is getting old at this point. He also was "Just A Rookie" when you believed he played "great" while bumslaying Jacksonville and Carolina. When you and your stats are closer to Anthony Richardson (with this schedule) than they are Lamar Jackson, with these weapons, then that's a problem. And Clickbait is just internet claptrap. The Numbers are relevant. Just as they were to YOU and MANY others when he posted good numbers against shitty teams.

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Well strap in because theres still another half of his rookie season to go.





Yes, he was still just a rookie a couple of games ago. He'll be a rookie for the rest of this season too.






I'm starting to wonder if you actually understand that its common for rookie QB's to perform poorly at times in their 1st season, and have stretches of inconsistency while they adjust to the professional level. Is this your 1st season watching NFL football? Did you actually enter into this season unaware of this possibility?


And I don't want to read any crap about 'what the experts have said'.. I'm asking you -LTG- if you actually are aware of this phenomenon


As for the numbers, you're being ridiculous here with your hyperbole.. in his 2nd year in the league, Richardson is completing 44% of his passes with just 4 TD's and 7 INT's while holding down a 57.2 QB rating. Thats eye popping levels of bad. Thats worse than Mitch's rookie season, worse than Justins rookie season.

Caleb on the other hand is doing just fine for a rookie with over 60% completions, 9 TD's to just 5 INT's, and a 83.0 QB rating. Numbers wise, those are solid numbers for a rookie QB all day long. No they aren't current Lamar Jackson MVP level numbers, but most QB's in the league arent putting those numbers up -thats why he's an MVP. And comparing a dude who has already won MVP's thats in his 7th year makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.


At least when I made the comparison it was comparing their 1st seasons in the league.





Because offensive line means nothing. Because good coaching doesn't matter at all, amiright? Now I'm wondering if this is your 1st year watching any kind of football.


I'm also wondering if you think the O-line is good, and the coaching is good.





No, clickbait is some desperate author clutching rookie QB numbers/metrics that can be applied to many many past rookie QB's like pearls of crystal ball wisdom as if its some mic drop gotcha that means anything. It doesnt. And thats why I posted numbers from past rookie seasons of current successful QB's that were close or worse using the highly esteemed 'QBR'


You're the intended audience for that shit, I'm not.







Nah, I've never gloated or gotten ahead of my ski's with any of Calebs performances. Me simply saying he played great or well in a specific game is just pointing out the obvious -and so is my finding humor in your constant search for validation that he's bad. I can still sit here and tell you that I also expect him to have some bad games too. My personal evaluation of him is ongoing and I've been consistent with that.


Continue to try and group me in with other posters here that antagonize you all you want. I'll continue to speak for myself.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Confirmed NOT the best bumslaying quarterback in Bears history.

Can't say that I didn't try and warn all you gurus.

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Caleb Williams can't hit water from a boat

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I'll be dipped in shit. He really might rewrite history!

When I was in Houston for the game I actually met his uncle. Cool dude. He'd passed through Chicago quite a bit over the years he said and knew of quite a few spots here. He named joints that I was too young to get into back in the day.
I wanted to tell him that his nephew wasn't that good but I just didn't have the nuts to do so

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Caleb's QBR for yesterday's game was a rather robust 13.6.

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Combined record of the teams which the Bears have defeated is currently 12-29.

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JLN sighs after reading that post while ordering his fourth highball of the morning

Justin Fields had 3 wins his rookies season against teams that went a combined 23-27-1, and then his 3 wins the next season came against teams that went a combined 24-26-1.

So you agree, Caleb and not Justin is a bumslayer

Justin's 6 wins in his first 2 seasons were against opponents who combined for a losing record. Why is a combined losing record of opponents the definition of bumslaying for Caleb Williams but not Justin Fields?

2023, 5 wins, opp. record: 34-51
2022, 3 wins, opp. record: 24-26-1
2021, 2 wins, opp. record: 13-20-1

Justin Fields had 10 wins as a starter in Chicago, against teams with a combined record of 71-97-2

The relevance of pointing out the win loss record of a team that was obviously tanking is truly beyond me. But then I again I always have to remember that the person plays golf as his primary sport

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They were tanking in Justin's rookie year...for the first round pick they didn't have in 2022? Maybe they just had a QB only capable of slaying bums, no?

People that lie as much as this person have obvious mental issues.

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Just to reiterate. John Kerry vibe

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https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-pa ... his-season
Caleb is 23rd in total yards despite
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/qb-pas ... his-season
Being 9th in passing attempts and
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-te ... e-rankings

The Bears are 22nd in avg points per game

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Seeing as the Bears are 0-5 since this thread was started, might be time to take a bow on this one.

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