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It's very simple, LTG, you want to discount Caleb's performance during parts of games "in which the team was down 2 scores or more". Those are your words, not mine. Yet, earlier this year, you praised Justin Fields for his performance against the Colts despite his performance coming at a time "in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

Can you explain that obvious hypocrisy?


Hey Caddy at the end of Quarters the score of the game you keep citing was 17-10 :lol: :lol:

In the Vikings game that guys like you believed that Flus jagged the Score was 27-16 with a minute and a half


How in the hell are what you keep referencing and what I keep referencing "similar"

Once again, you stated "And no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

It was 24-10 Colts when the Steelers got the ball in the 4th quarter you drooling boob.


I forgot that you play golf. Justin Fields entered the 4th Quarter with his team losing 17-10. How is that analogous to the Bears being down 2 touchdowns entering the 4th numbnuts?

What was the score when Justin Fields first touched the ball in the 4th quarter? What was the score when he started his next drive with 6:00 remaining in the game?

Good lord, you are imeccably dishonest.


No you're incredibly stupid. You keep citing a game that was a 1 score game in the 3rd Qtr as evidence that he mounted his comeback ONLY after they were down 2 scores in the 4th. Do you not understand how stupid this sounds? Just Asking A Question

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
It's very simple, LTG, you want to discount Caleb's performance during parts of games "in which the team was down 2 scores or more". Those are your words, not mine. Yet, earlier this year, you praised Justin Fields for his performance against the Colts despite his performance coming at a time "in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

Can you explain that obvious hypocrisy?


Hey Caddy at the end of Quarters the score of the game you keep citing was 17-10 :lol: :lol:

In the Vikings game that guys like you believed that Flus jagged the Score was 27-16 with a minute and a half


How in the hell are what you keep referencing and what I keep referencing "similar"

Once again, you stated "And no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

It was 24-10 Colts when the Steelers got the ball in the 4th quarter you drooling boob.


I forgot that you play golf. Justin Fields entered the 4th Quarter with his team losing 17-10. How is that analogous to the Bears being down 2 touchdowns entering the 4th numbnuts?

What was the score when Justin Fields first touched the ball in the 4th quarter? What was the score when he started his next drive with 6:00 remaining in the game?

Good lord, you are imeccably dishonest.


No you're incredibly stupid. You keep citing a game that was a 1 score game in the 3rd Qtr as evidence that he mounted his comeback ONLY after they were down 2 scores in the 4th. Do you not understand how stupid this sounds? Just Asking A Question

So "no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more" except in a situation when at a point earlier in the game that team was only down 1 score? Is that your new rule for when to discount stats?


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So "no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more" except in a situation when at a point earlier in the game that team was only down 1 score? Is that your new rule for when to discount stats?

Time and score matters in sports Tee Time. Always has and always will.
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter. Caleb Williams didn't until his was down 2 Tds or more midway in the 4th. I'm still waiting for these 2 situations to be similar. Haven't heard how they are just yet.

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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?

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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?

During this 8 game losing streak they have been outscored 120-29 in the first half. This pretty much says all that needs to be said.

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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?


The Eberflus era was defined by not scoring in the first quarter.

I'll hold off until year 2 without everlose before judging

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Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


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no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


The Doctor Of Style wrote:
no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


He really needed for the 4th quarter to be included in the analysis for "comprehension" purposes :lol: :lol:

Tee Time you're one dim bulb

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


The Doctor Of Style wrote:
no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


He really needed for the 4th quarter to be included in the analysis for "comprehension" purposes :lol: :lol:

Tee Time you're one dim bulb

Justin Fields was down 2 scores in the 4th quarter against the Colts. You cannot out-spin your stupidity, LTG.


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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?

Of course but it's the whole offense that normally is terrible in the first half.

Swift is running for 2.88 yards per rush in the first half. 5.09 yards per rush in the second half.
Meanwhile, Williams is throwing for 6.4 yards per attempt in the first half. 6.2 yards per attempt in the second half. The completion percentage is similar too.

One could argue the first half struggles is because they don't use Caleb Williams enough. Now, I think that ignores the fact that Williams often just doesn't look as good in the first half but the numbers for Swift are remarkably different.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


The Doctor Of Style wrote:
no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


He really needed for the 4th quarter to be included in the analysis for "comprehension" purposes :lol: :lol:

Tee Time you're one dim bulb

Justin Fields was down 2 scores in the 4th quarter against the Colts. You cannot out-spin your stupidity, LTG.


He was down 7 points at the 2:50 mark of the 3rd Quarter Teet Time

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


The Doctor Of Style wrote:
no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


He really needed for the 4th quarter to be included in the analysis for "comprehension" purposes :lol: :lol:

Tee Time you're one dim bulb

Justin Fields was down 2 scores in the 4th quarter against the Colts. You cannot out-spin your stupidity, LTG.


He was down 7 points at the 2:50 mark of the 3rd Quarter Teet Time

Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores or more. Justin Fields was down two scores or more to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats put up after he was down 2 scores in the 4th (and not count those put up by Williams) because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Justin Fields started posting his Stats when his team was down 2 Tds midway through the 3rd Quarter.


The Doctor Of Style wrote:
no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more


And there you have it. Thanks for playing, you dolt.


He really needed for the 4th quarter to be included in the analysis for "comprehension" purposes :lol: :lol:

Tee Time you're one dim bulb

Justin Fields was down 2 scores in the 4th quarter against the Colts. You cannot out-spin your stupidity, LTG.


He was down 7 points at the 2:50 mark of the 3rd Quarter Teet Time

Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores. Justin Fields was down two scores to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


Time and Score should never have to be explained Tee Time. But I forgot that your sport of choice requires the riding of golf carts.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores. Justin Fields was down two scores to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


Time and Score should never have to be explained Tee Time. But I forgot that your sport of choice requires the riding of golf carts.

The Time and Score for Justin Fields against the Colts was "4th Quarter" and "Down 2 scores", the exact parameters you changed to.


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if garbage time becomes not garbage time do the previous throws that were considered garbage time still considered garbage time

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores. Justin Fields was down two scores to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


Time and Score should never have to be explained Tee Time. But I forgot that your sport of choice requires the riding of golf carts.

The Time and Score for Justin Fields against the Colts was "4th Quarter" and "Down 2 scores", the exact parameters you changed to.


Justin Fields was down 17-10 at the 2:00 mark of the third. Hardly garbage time Tee Time.

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if garbage time becomes not garbage time do the previous throws that were considered garbage time still considered garbage time

Another question: If TDs are scored against "prevent defense", what was the defense trying to prevent?


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if garbage time becomes not garbage time do the previous throws that were considered garbage time still considered garbage time

The Bears were down 27-16 with a minute and a half against the Vikings. Definitely garbage time

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores. Justin Fields was down two scores to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


Time and Score should never have to be explained Tee Time. But I forgot that your sport of choice requires the riding of golf carts.

The Time and Score for Justin Fields against the Colts was "4th Quarter" and "Down 2 scores", the exact parameters you changed to.


Justin Fields was down 17-10 at the 2:00 mark of the third. Hardly garbage time Tee Time.

It's hilarious watching you flop around like a fish out of water trying to wiggle to a spot where you can apply one rule to Caleb Williams but not to Justin Fields. Do you think you're so clever that nobody can see it?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Your original statement only contemplated stats put up after being down two scores. Justin Fields was down two scores to the Colts for most of the game. You then tried to amend your rule to be that stats accrued while down 2 scores in the 4th should be discounted. Justin Fields was also down 2 scores in the 4th, but you want to count those stats because you're fundamentally a dishonest idiot.


Time and Score should never have to be explained Tee Time. But I forgot that your sport of choice requires the riding of golf carts.

The Time and Score for Justin Fields against the Colts was "4th Quarter" and "Down 2 scores", the exact parameters you changed to.


Justin Fields was down 17-10 at the 2:00 mark of the third. Hardly garbage time Tee Time.

It's hilarious watching you flop around like a fish out of water trying to wiggle to a spot where you can apply one rule to Caleb Williams but not to Justin Fields. Do you think you're so clever that nobody can see it?

The very same "nobody" who still desperately cling to the belief that he is a "Generational QB" such as you?
Justin Fields has as many wins in 6 games as Caleb Williams has in 14. Does no one see that too? :lol: :lol:

In his last 14 games as a starter Justin Fields has 9-5 record while Caleb is 4-10. Does no one see that either?

During the season that the Bears were tanking with Justin Fields, the Bears offense was better than it is currently. Does no one "see" that either?

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Bears have gone scoreless in the first half of their last 3 games

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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?

Of course but it's the whole offense that normally is terrible in the first half.

Swift is running for 2.88 yards per rush in the first half. 5.09 yards per rush in the second half.
Meanwhile, Williams is throwing for 6.4 yards per attempt in the first half. 6.2 yards per attempt in the second half. The completion percentage is similar too.

One could argue the first half struggles is because they don't use Caleb Williams enough. Now, I think that ignores the fact that Williams often just doesn't look as good in the first half but the numbers for Swift are remarkably different.

I'm bumping this to make sure the "first half scoring issues" is put into proper context.

I'm not blaming Swift for this either but clearly there is something going on in the first half that has made the running game virtually useless.

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Without getting into what is and isn't "garbage time," the fact that Williams only seems to thrive once he's let back into games in the third quarter is kind of worrisome. I mean, three first-half shutouts in a row plus plenty of other holes to dig out of at the half (9-0 to the Redskins, 13-3 to the Patriots, 17-3 to the horrendous Titans). I can see where getting caught up in this argument is going to be detrimental to my health, but while sure, the touchdowns count just fine, wouldn't it be nice to get some of them when you're not down 16?

Of course but it's the whole offense that normally is terrible in the first half.

Swift is running for 2.88 yards per rush in the first half. 5.09 yards per rush in the second half.
Meanwhile, Williams is throwing for 6.4 yards per attempt in the first half. 6.2 yards per attempt in the second half. The completion percentage is similar too.

One could argue the first half struggles is because they don't use Caleb Williams enough. Now, I think that ignores the fact that Williams often just doesn't look as good in the first half but the numbers for Swift are remarkably different.

I'm bumping this to make sure the "first half scoring issues" is put into proper context.

I'm not blaming Swift for this either but clearly there is something going on in the first half that has made the running game virtually useless.

But a guy that passes for -3 yards in the first half is definitely "useful" apparently

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The Doctor of Disingenuous Arguments strikes again.

Williams has been bad in the first half in some games. The running game has been basically non-existent in the first half of almost all games.

I don't know the answer as to why that is though. It does indicate to me that putting 100% of the blame on Williams for the first half struggles is wrong.

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The Doctor of Disingenuous Arguments strikes again.

Williams has been bad in the first half in some games. The running game has been basically non-existent in the first half of almost all games.
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This is why you're regarded as nothing more than an internet troll at this point. There is nothing in his stat line to suggest that he hasn't been anything but terrible for the vast majority of the season

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When Jayden Daniels was the same age Caleb Williams is right now he wasn't even considered an NFL prospect. A fringe day 3/UDFA guy. It's disingenuous to compare the two.

Maye will probably be the best QB from this class and unfortunately it is fair to compare him and Caleb, from their experience to their current incompetent organizations. Caleb does not compare very favorably.

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I don't know what FF was thinking there but Jayden Daniels was anywhere from the #1 to #3 QB recruit in the country in high school. He had a very strange junior year at ASU but even then he was good enough to transfer to LSU and start immediately.

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I guess "we" now have our answer don't "we"?

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When Jayden Daniels was the same age Caleb Williams is right now he wasn't even considered an NFL prospect. A fringe day 3/UDFA guy. It's disingenuous to compare the two.

Maye will probably be the best QB from this class and unfortunately it is fair to compare him and Caleb, from their experience to their current incompetent organizations. Caleb does not compare very favorably.

Now I'm even more confused. Jayden Daniels is almost a whole year older than Williams. When Jayden Daniels was the same age Caleb Williams is right now he was skipping the bowl game to prepare for the NFL draft he would go #2 in.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:20 pm 
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Yeah I was off there on age, thought Jayden was 2 years older. The better way to phrase it would be after their junior year in college Caleb was considered the best QB prospect in the draft and Jayden was considered undraftable, he had to stay in school for another two years for a reason.

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