I had reads parts of this one before, but I'm currently going through it cover-to-cover: Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism. Despite its insipidly reformist politics, it's a banger for sure. It connects declining life expectancy among the white working class (and other parts of the U.S. population) with the evisceration of labor power and the increasingly predatory nature of the neoliberal capitalist economy, particularly the health care sector.

Please note that the increasing rate of "deaths of despair" (drug overdoses, rising suicide rate, diseases arising from addiction, etc) coincide with the past 30 years, the period that Boilermaker Rick identifies as the Golden Age of American society.

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I'm all for reading cheap or free books, but investing your time in an 18 year old James Frey book is a bold move. I remember buying my mom Million Little Pieces for Mother's Day, walking into a Borders, and realizing I have no idea where to find the book. I wanted to ask the sales clerk if they had a discredited memoir section.

The Picture of Dorian Gray has gotten a lot of play in this thread for such an old book. That's cool, it's still a worthwhile read.

Henderson is really making the rounds promoting that book. He's popped up on at least one of the podcasts in my rotation and I've seen him pop up on Twitter from the small handful of people I check in with on that platform.

I heard him on Glenn Lowry's podcast. I sometimes listen to Glenn Lowry because we are both South Side Lowerys, though he can't spell his name and he Black. Henderson was frankly a little dull, and he never accounted for his success. I think he must in the book, though. He also said things about social class that I thought about 25 years ago, and if I am that far ahead of the curve, God save us all.

In fairness, I don't think I got the gist of his book from the podcast, but I may read it, as it is easy reading, which I need right now, viz. An Ordinary Man by Paul Rusesabagina. Horrific, but you can fly through it. Never saw the movie Hotel Rwanda, which is based on Rusesabagina's book.

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Henderson's book is in the same vein as J.D. Vance's except Henderson is a lot brighter than Vance.

One of the funnier things is that his elite classmates and professors at Yale recommended he watch The West Wing. It says a lot about the tastes and beliefs of America's upper class. Victor Davis Hanson talks about this kind of elitism all the time, e.g. one guy is a house painter and one guy is a high school teacher and each earns $82,000 a year, but the teacher looks down on the house painter because he spends his money on jet-skis and Disney vacations while the teacher goes to Napa and watches The West Wing. Which is a shitty TV show.

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Gotcha. Vance is not as smart as I expected him to be when he was being promoted. Then I read his book, and I was like, the policy portions suck. Using Newsweek as a source. (Narrative was ok, but he never accounted for his success.) And he's shown himself to be a politician, not a thinker. Too bad.

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I don't think a teacher making 82 grand a year is exactly what I would call a member of the professional-managerial elite. Moreover, school teachers across the U.S. have been one of the driving forces behind the growing labor radicalism of the past decade. Maybe the teacher and the painter have more in common than is commonly perceived.

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They may have salary in common, but if the teacher is making $82K, there's a good chance they have an employer-backed 403b. Painter has zilch (at least employer-backed). Also, the painter doesn't have other stuff a teacher has: a pandemic-proof job, possibly a union, and probably some insurance, depending on where they are.

I don't think people with similar economic interests is really a unifying thing. I know that's the fantasy, but if it were true, Bernie would have gotten 75% of the vote.

The teachers made be union radicals, but the politicized ones look down on everyone else, which is odd, because there are some dull fucking teachers out there. (I'm thinking high school here.) Dull fucking people who guilt the students into thinking the way they do. I hate to say that because it empowers all the Caller-Bob-illiterate-angry types out there.

Teachers have a difficult job, though. Zero authority. Sucks.

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The elitism comes in the judgment of what people like and how the spend their money.

Teachers are government workers, thus they are not labor.

Your last sentence may be true but as the parties themselves don't think so, it doesn't much matter.

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Yeah, many teachers come from working class backgrounds and are hardly representative of the cultural elitism endemic to the upper classes. And many of them also don't make close to 82 grand a year. Teachers aren't labor? That's your position, not that of organized labor. And your last sentence is less a reflection of reality than it is of your own biases. The wildcat teacher strikes that took place a few years ago in several states help illustrate this point since these often illegal labor actions were consistently supported and sustained by organized and unorganized blue collar workers.

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People like to think of themselves as superior to other people. I don't think that changes if you're a teacher or a painter. I suspect there would be judgments being made in both directions in your example.

I finished The Narrow Road to the Deep North. I thought the middle portion was excellent. It was more or less several illustrations of what people did to survive in the middle of a world and a situation that did not give a f**k, but the first and last part of the book, while also carrying on the theme, were somewhat marred by typical novel conventions. All that said, it was a pretty powerful book that I suspect will stay with me for a while.

Remarkably Bright Creatures

for those of you who need to smile a little or heal a little.

Lotsa fun.

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Gayest review I ever read.

I had to throw in the towel on Let the Great World Spin. I like black prostitutes from the 70's as much as the next guy, but I don't necessarily need to read a book in which they serve as the centerpiece.

President James David Vance will make us reminisce about the good ol' days of Biden/Trump.

Hussra, your books generally give me PTSD, but it's the good kind of PTSD, so I may try this one.

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I read The Boys of Summer a long time ago and liked it, but I tried to read it recently and found that I just didn't care about the writer's career, which he talked about way too much.

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George Will's Men At Work was the blueprint to ruin baseball. That's my memory of it anyway. That and it was written like a saga. *barf* Maybe I'll take a second look.

And goddammit Tommy, read Crazy '08. So fun.

I missed this

However, that other book you mentioned is my next one.

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I loved Men at Work, and I don't recall it being "written like a saga." It was just a case study of four players. However, if you were picking it up today, it would probably seem pretty damn quaint.

President Trump's new book Save America is a NYT Best seller. Who woulda thought?

Buy Save America now at your local bookstore!!

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/18 ... 0724083850

Since Tommy is ostensibly back, I'll throw out that his recommendation of The Narrow Road to the Deep North was excellent and I'm in the middle of Sacred Hunger, and it's probably the best book I've read since American Pastoral.

I am going on vacation in early February and wasn't sure what I wanted to read. Really enjoyed The Goldfinch a few years back so I went back to Tartt and picked up The Secret History which I think is supposed to be pretty good.

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I have not read a book in years (maybe one) but I finished Horse by Geraldine Brooks about the legendary 19th C. horse Lexington and finishing up Bad Blood by John Carryrou about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos.

Looking for nonficton book recommendations.

What are your interests? I have a whole lot of recommendations mainly in History and Finance, a few in Education, and several good historical history recommendations. My current one is so so, but got it out of a podcast recommendation call the Witness. It is a Communist turned informant about Soviet spy craft in the U.S. during the 30's and 40's.

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Open to anything, thanks.

My wife doesn't get it but I can't do Audio books, I find them annoying.

The previous book I read was In the Garden of the Beast by Erik Larson...I may simply followup with a book by either him or Carryrou...but I'm scrolling back through this thread and would welcome anything

Thanks

The Devil in the White City isn't new but was an easy and interesting read if you haven't read that one by Larson. The bonus being that you get quite a bit of Chicago history mixed in.

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When Genius Failed about Long Term Capital by Lowenstein. Great writer. Mostly finance stuff.
Coming Apart by Charles Murray but you have to be open to a theory on why America is the way it is today. I like his theory.
The Three Musketeers Books (seven of them) are great fun historical fictions and you learn a lot about France and Britain.
American Creation by Ellis is fantastic if you want to read about American History and the flawed founding of our country.
Young Money is an interesting read about recent grads in the world of investment banking.

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Appreciate it, thanks

People complain about Bill O'Reilly but I enjoyed every book in the Killing.... series.

Also recently read Confronting the Presidents which I also enjoyed.

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