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Caleb Williams has thrown all of 4 Touchdowns during the First halves of games this season. All 4 have come against either the Panthers or The Jaguars :lol: :lol:

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As Brick pointed out somewhere, the team averages 3.7 yards per rush in the 1st half, nearly an entire yard below league average, so they are pretty much one-dimensional on offense in the first half for whatever reason. Beyond that, the team's average yards to go in the 1st Quarter is 8.8, and the league average is 8.3. Interestingly as well, is that the offense's average yards per attempt is 5.5 in the 1st quarter, but above 6 in every other quarter, even approaching league-average in the 2nd and 4th quarters. The putrid 1st quarter performance in particular seems to indicate that the coordinating team not only starts out conservatively, but is predictable in which types of plays, or maybe even which plays outright, they'll put into their opening script.

There's also the defense to consider, and how their play impacts how many bites at the apple the offense gets in the first half, especially considering how teams with a lead tend to want to hold that lead into halftime. The Bears defense in the first half gives up 6.29 yards per play, and NFL defenses as a whole give up 5.4 yards. The passing defense is a decent amount worse than average in the 1st half (7.7 Y/A to the NFL's 7.1), but the real issue is in the run game, where the Bears allow 5.5 yards per rush when league average is 4.4. Worse still, in the 1st Quarter opponents are allowed 6 yards per carry by this "above average" defense.

In total, it seems like a conservative yet predictable play calling script to open the first quarter means the Bears are often behind schedule in down and distance and a combination of further bad offensive line play (sacks, hurries, etc.), drops, or bad passes results in drives being quickly derailed (This team average 4 plays per 1st down in the 1st half). On defense, teams are allowed to safely march the ball down the field—particularly on the ground, so much that opponents run the ball more than they pass in the 1st quarter against the Bears, counter to the league average splits—and keep the clock moving (The Bears defense allows a first down every 2.8 plays in the 1st, 3.1 plays for the half, NFL average is 3.44). Even if they don't score a touchdown (Bend But Don't Break), they burn off 4+ minutes of clock and kick a field goal. This trend continues into Quarter 2, but once the Bears abandon their script midway through, now playing from behind, their rushing offense is still horrid, but they can now call pass plays based on their actual down and distance instead of where they thought they would be when scripting plays, and the passing numbers return to a little below league average. For the reasons listed earlier though, and because they're only truly free wheeling playcalling for probably 3 or 4 drives, they settle for field goals. Their opponents, now with a lead, intend on taking it to halftime, extend drives and get conservative on offense.

And that, friends, is how a coach who knew he would be on the hotseat (and now an inexperienced head coach), who probably told his coordinator to take it easy with the scripted play calls, and a bad offensive line, and a bad defense that's just not bad enough to give up TDs in bunches—err.. "bend, not break", and a rookie QB, come together to not score tuddies in the 1st half.


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As Brick pointed out somewhere, the team averages 3.7 yards per rush in the 1st half, nearly an entire yard below league average, so they are pretty much one-dimensional on offense in the first half for whatever reason. Beyond that, the team's average yards to go in the 1st Quarter is 8.8, and the league average is 8.3. Interestingly as well, is that the offense's average yards per attempt is 5.5 in the 1st quarter, but above 6 in every other quarter, even approaching league-average in the 2nd and 4th quarters. The putrid 1st quarter performance in particular seems to indicate that the coordinating team not only starts out conservatively, but is predictable in which types of plays, or maybe even which plays outright, they'll put into their opening script.

There's also the defense to consider, and how their play impacts how many bites at the apple the offense gets in the first half, especially considering how teams with a lead tend to want to hold that lead into halftime. The Bears defense in the first half gives up 6.29 yards per play, and NFL defenses as a whole give up 5.4 yards. The passing defense is a decent amount worse than average in the 1st half (7.7 Y/A to the NFL's 7.1), but the real issue is in the run game, where the Bears allow 5.5 yards per rush when league average is 4.4. Worse still, in the 1st Quarter opponents are allowed 6 yards per carry by this "above average" defense.

In total, it seems like a conservative yet predictable play calling script to open the first quarter means the Bears are often behind schedule in down and distance and a combination of further bad offensive line play (sacks, hurries, etc.), drops, or bad passes results in drives being quickly derailed (This team average 4 plays per 1st down in the 1st half). On defense, teams are allowed to safely march the ball down the field—particularly on the ground, so much that opponents run the ball more than they pass in the 1st quarter against the Bears, counter to the league average splits—and keep the clock moving (The Bears defense allows a first down every 2.8 plays in the 1st, 3.1 plays for the half, NFL average is 3.44). Even if they don't score a touchdown (Bend But Don't Break), they burn off 4+ minutes of clock and kick a field goal. This trend continues into Quarter 2, but once the Bears abandon their script midway through, now playing from behind, their rushing offense is still horrid, but they can now call pass plays based on their actual down and distance instead of where they thought they would be when scripting plays, and the passing numbers return to a little below league average. For the reasons listed earlier though, and because they're only truly free wheeling playcalling for probably 3 or 4 drives, they settle for field goals. Their opponents, now with a lead, intend on taking it to halftime, extend drives and get conservative on offense.

And that, friends, is how a coach who knew he would be on the hotseat (and now an inexperienced head coach), who probably told his coordinator to take it easy with the scripted play calls, and a bad offensive line, and a bad defense that's just not bad enough to give up TDs in bunches—err.. "bend, not break", and a rookie QB, come together to not score tuddies in the 1st half.


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As Brick pointed out somewhere, the team averages 3.7 yards per rush in the 1st half, nearly an entire yard below league average, so they are pretty much one-dimensional on offense in the first half for whatever reason. Beyond that, the team's average yards to go in the 1st Quarter is 8.8, and the league average is 8.3. Interestingly as well, is that the offense's average yards per attempt is 5.5 in the 1st quarter, but above 6 in every other quarter, even approaching league-average in the 2nd and 4th quarters. The putrid 1st quarter performance in particular seems to indicate that the coordinating team not only starts out conservatively, but is predictable in which types of plays, or maybe even which plays outright, they'll put into their opening script.

There's also the defense to consider, and how their play impacts how many bites at the apple the offense gets in the first half, especially considering how teams with a lead tend to want to hold that lead into halftime. The Bears defense in the first half gives up 6.29 yards per play, and NFL defenses as a whole give up 5.4 yards. The passing defense is a decent amount worse than average in the 1st half (7.7 Y/A to the NFL's 7.1), but the real issue is in the run game, where the Bears allow 5.5 yards per rush when league average is 4.4. Worse still, in the 1st Quarter opponents are allowed 6 yards per carry by this "above average" defense.

In total, it seems like a conservative yet predictable play calling script to open the first quarter means the Bears are often behind schedule in down and distance and a combination of further bad offensive line play (sacks, hurries, etc.), drops, or bad passes results in drives being quickly derailed (This team average 4 plays per 1st down in the 1st half). On defense, teams are allowed to safely march the ball down the field—particularly on the ground, so much that opponents run the ball more than they pass in the 1st quarter against the Bears, counter to the league average splits—and keep the clock moving (The Bears defense allows a first down every 2.8 plays in the 1st, 3.1 plays for the half, NFL average is 3.44). Even if they don't score a touchdown (Bend But Don't Break), they burn off 4+ minutes of clock and kick a field goal. This trend continues into Quarter 2, but once the Bears abandon their script midway through, now playing from behind, their rushing offense is still horrid, but they can now call pass plays based on their actual down and distance instead of where they thought they would be when scripting plays, and the passing numbers return to a little below league average. For the reasons listed earlier though, and because they're only truly free wheeling playcalling for probably 3 or 4 drives, they settle for field goals. Their opponents, now with a lead, intend on taking it to halftime, extend drives and get conservative on offense.

And that, friends, is how a coach who knew he would be on the hotseat (and now an inexperienced head coach), who probably told his coordinator to take it easy with the scripted play calls, and a bad offensive line, and a bad defense that's just not bad enough to give up TDs in bunches—err.. "bend, not break", and a rookie QB, come together to not score tuddies in the 1st half.


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Of Caleb's 17 TDs, 10 have occurred when the Bears are down 2 scores or more. Now that's what I call some major league "stat padding"

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Of Caleb's 17 TDs, 10 have occurred when the Bears are down 2 scores or more. Now that's what I call some major league "stat padding"

:lol: Yeah what an asshole, throwing TDs when his team is behind.

But I looked into it: Caleb has thrown 12 TDs when his team is behind, 7 of them have brought the Bears within 1 score/tied/given the lead, and 3 others resulted in a TD-FG deficit.


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Blow it out your ass, cumskin.

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It's what they do when they don't have rebuttal to a post that doesn't fit their narrative.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Of Caleb's 17 TDs, 10 have occurred when the Bears are down 2 scores or more. Now that's what I call some major league "stat padding"

:lol: Yeah what an asshole, throwing TDs when his team is behind.

But I looked into it: Caleb has thrown 12 TDs when his team is behind, 7 of them have brought the Bears within 1 score/tied/given the lead, and 3 others resulted in a TD-FG deficit.


So you looked into his being down 2 scores or more and "discovered that in 7 of them he reduced it to 1 score by throwing a touchdown pass. Ok :lol:

Let me say this again seeing as the nuance of "stat padding" is lost upon you Caddyshack. Caleb Williams has thrown 17 TDs Caddyshack. 10 have occurred when they are down 2 scores or more. Another 6 occurred during the 2 bumslaying games. Virtually none have occurred when the Game was still "competitive" numbnuts.

Guys that have played or even watched sports know this already. Guys that Parrot the thoughts of others as sport do not. You are one of the people that obviously does not.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Of Caleb's 17 TDs, 10 have occurred when the Bears are down 2 scores or more. Now that's what I call some major league "stat padding"

:lol: Yeah what an asshole, throwing TDs when his team is behind.

But I looked into it: Caleb has thrown 12 TDs when his team is behind, 7 of them have brought the Bears within 1 score/tied/given the lead, and 3 others resulted in a TD-FG deficit.


So you looked into his being down 2 scores or more and "discovered that in 7 of them he reduced it to 1 score by throwing a touchdown pass. Ok :lol:

Let me say this again seeing as the nuance of "stat padding" is lost upon you Caddyshack. Caleb Williams has thrown 17 TDs Caddyshack. 10 have occurred when they are down 2 scores or more. Another 6 occurred during the 2 bumslaying games. Virtually none have occurred when the Game was still "competitive" numbnuts.

Guys that have played or even watched sports know this already. Guys that Parrot the thoughts of others as sport do not. You are one of the people that obviously does not.

It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Of Caleb's 17 TDs, 10 have occurred when the Bears are down 2 scores or more. Now that's what I call some major league "stat padding"

:lol: Yeah what an asshole, throwing TDs when his team is behind.

But I looked into it: Caleb has thrown 12 TDs when his team is behind, 7 of them have brought the Bears within 1 score/tied/given the lead, and 3 others resulted in a TD-FG deficit.


So you looked into his being down 2 scores or more and "discovered that in 7 of them he reduced it to 1 score by throwing a touchdown pass. Ok :lol:

Let me say this again seeing as the nuance of "stat padding" is lost upon you Caddyshack. Caleb Williams has thrown 17 TDs Caddyshack. 10 have occurred when they are down 2 scores or more. Another 6 occurred during the 2 bumslaying games. Virtually none have occurred when the Game was still "competitive" numbnuts.

Guys that have played or even watched sports know this already. Guys that Parrot the thoughts of others as sport do not. You are one of the people that obviously does not.

It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?


Hey Caddyshack. You ride around in Golf Carts as your sport of choice. If ever there was an actual sport being played on the "Mean Streets" of Effingham, IL you were never the dude that happen to ever be playing it. That much is evident

The fact that this has to be explained to you that these "numbers" are virtually meaningless given the time, score, and field position demonstrates just how little you know sports.

I bet you think his ONLY being able to throw 1st Half TDs during the 2 bumslaying games is just a "coincidence" too don't ya Caddy?

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Blow it out your ass, cumskin.

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It's what they do when they don't have rebuttal to a post that doesn't fit their narrative.


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Only an id-ot would believe that a QB that has been outscored 56-0 in the first half of the previous three games makes his team "competitive" by throwing TDs when the game is essentially already over, but in the buffoon below you will find just an id-ot
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?

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Only an id-ot would believe that a QB that has been outscored 56-0 in the first half of the previous three games makes his team "competitive" by throwing TDs when the game is essentially already over, but in the buffoon below you will find just an id-ot
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It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?

The last two games are not what he was referring to. Take away those 3 garbage time tds if you want. The 3 touchdowns in a game that should have went to OT can't be taken away.

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Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Only an id-ot would believe that a QB that has been outscored 56-0 in the first half of the previous three games makes his team "competitive" by throwing TDs when the game is essentially already over, but in the buffoon below you will find just an id-ot
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It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?

The last two games are not what he was referring to. Take away those 3 garbage time tds if you want. The 3 touchdowns in a game that should have went to OT can't be taken away.

That game went to OT because of the special teams, not Williams.


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Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Only an id-ot would believe that a QB that has been outscored 56-0 in the first half of the previous three games makes his team "competitive" by throwing TDs when the game is essentially already over, but in the buffoon below you will find just an id-ot
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It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?

The last two games are not what he was referring to. Take away those 3 garbage time tds if you want. The 3 touchdowns in a game that should have went to OT can't be taken away.

That game went to OT because of the special teams, not Williams.

Can I get a list of the touchdowns Williams threw this year that actually count?

I'll get you started. You don't have to count the touchdowns from the previous two games.

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Only an id-ot would believe that a QB that has been outscored 56-0 in the first half of the previous three games makes his team "competitive" by throwing TDs when the game is essentially already over, but in the buffoon below you will find just an id-ot
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It's "stat padding" to throw a touchdown pass to bring your team within a score? And you claim to know about football because they let Radio fetch water for the basketball team?

The last two games are not what he was referring to. Take away those 3 garbage time tds if you want. The 3 touchdowns in a game that should have went to OT can't be taken away.

The 7% success rate onside kick game did go to overtime. Garbage time is subjective. In my world, not yours, both the Detroit and Viking games were probabilistically, miracles. And you can say Caleb is the miracle worker. But when the opponents went "uh-oh" after garbaging around, who won? Who took a ridiculous sack, and who took their sweet time getting up after yet another sack?

I don't get that peoples' expectations of Caleb in Week 15 are sated. But that's me. I think he's played poorly. He's played poorly compared to other rookies also.

There's better than a 50% chance he's not the best QB in his class and we were assured it was a no brainer pick.


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So if I am reading this all correctly, Williams gets all of the blame and has done zero positive the whole year, is that correct?

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He's played poorly compared to other rookies also.
Not really. Daniels has outperformed him but it's not really the runaway it seemed before. The others are just as up and down as Williams has been which is normal. Bo Nix has put up big numbers against bad teams too.

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He's played poorly compared to other rookies also.
Not really. Daniels has outperformed him but it's not really the runaway it seemed before.

Correct, its a much much larger runaway than it was before.


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So if I am reading this all correctly, Williams gets all of the blame and has done zero positive the whole year, is that correct?

I can't say he's not good. I think I can say he isn't going to rewrite history. You got to be a killer to rewrite history. Can't pretend to be a killer.


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He's played poorly compared to other rookies also.
Not really. Daniels has outperformed him but it's not really the runaway it seemed before.

Correct, its a much much larger runaway than it was before.

That's because we don't count any of the touchdowns that Williams has thrown. Williams needs to do better than 0 touchdowns next year.

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The sarcasm seems pretty stupid when you remember that the Bears literally have not scored at all in the first half since before Thanksgiving, went over a month without a passing touchdown earlier in the year and scored three points (the lowest total any team has put up in a single game league-wide) against one of the worst teams in the NFL.


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The sarcasm seems pretty stupid when you remember that the Bears literally have not scored at all in the first half since before Thanksgiving, went over a month without a passing touchdown earlier in the year and scored three points (the lowest total any team has put up in a single game league-wide) against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

I just want to know what touchdowns that Williams has thrown actually count. Can you tell me?

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So if I am reading this all correctly, Williams gets all of the blame and has done zero positive the whole year, is that correct?

I can't say he's not good. I think I can say he isn't going to rewrite history. You got to be a killer to rewrite history. Can't pretend to be a killer.


You where out on Caleb before he/there first snap in the preseason. Go take your morning nap and shove a bingo board up your ass pussy.

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He's played poorly compared to other rookies also.
Not really. Daniels has outperformed him but it's not really the runaway it seemed before. The others are just as up and down as Williams has been which is normal. Bo Nix has put up big numbers against bad teams too.

Bo Nix was an afterthought. Now he's had a better year than Surefire.

But I haven't given up. Because the floor isn't "he's shit", he IS capable of being premiere in short bursts. But so was (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Teams can't wait around 4 years anymore for their 1st round QBs to develop. It's a shame but it's reality and that's why I advocate for waiting for a QB to show up. Waiting won't get you Patrick Mahomes, but Patrick Mahomes types are extremely rare. Missed on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, missed on Fields. It's really really hard because not only don't great QBs grow on trees, good ones don't either. Most of the the just good, take years.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:49 am 
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Hawg Ass wrote:
So if I am reading this all correctly, Williams gets all of the blame and has done zero positive the whole year, is that correct?


Now you're doing "Da Brick". It's clear he has done very little which equates to winning or played particularly well. What about his not throwing a TD in the 1st half of 12 games this season do you particularly like?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:52 am 
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Nardi wrote:
Bo Nix was an afterthought. Now he's had a better year than Surefire.
He really hasn't though. Only Daniels is far enough ahead of Williams for it to matter and Daniels and Williams has gotten closer than it was.

Just look at the stats. It's Daniels in the lead and then everyone else all pretty much grouped together.

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