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Why is Field's a backup? I thought he/they was mvp?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Points allowed is the the main metric due to Football's scoring system.

There's 5 playoff teams below them so...

Fun fact - on the date of Eberflus’ firing, they were scoring more points per game than they were allowing.

And yet…


Duh it was because of the 2 bumslaying games. :lol:

The Bears offense has scored 17 points or less 10 times this season I believe. Will check for validation.

10 games this season the Bears offense has scored 17 points or less.

I think you’re starting to understand why average points per game isn’t necessarily a great metric but I’m not optimistic you’ll get all the way there.

How isn't it the best metric in a 7 & 3 scoring system? Seems like simple math to me but am I missing something?


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Why is Field's a backup?

Because Tomlin believes that HOFer Russell Wilson is the better option. Which would have been the case if HOFer Wilson were on the Bears Bumper Humper.
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I thought he/they was mvp?
Obviously you thought wrong Humper.

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Nothing I said there is wrong. The "Bend, don't break" defensive principle means they allow teams to march up and down the field but tend to force them to settle for fewer points in the Red Zone. Those long sustained drives affect clock management because opposing offenses are given 5+ minutes of game clock to burn every time they get the ball.

Having Tee Time provide an illustration of what is meant by "Bend but Don't break" is one of the funnier things in all of this by the way. The Bears were 7th Best in scoring at the time that you were mocking people for daring to proclaim that their defense was "above average".
Whether they were playing the 46 defense, Tampa 2, or whatever doesn't matter. The objective is to prevent the other team from scoring a lot of points and their defense did this at the time. And you constantly bashed people for daring to claim that it was "successful" when clearly it was successful. Which only further illustrates that you are rather deranged.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He They Xe Xem wrote:
Why is Field's a backup?

Because Tomlin believes that HOFer Russell Wilson is the better option. Which would have been the case if HOFer Wilson were on the Bears Bumper Humper.
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I thought he/they was mvp?
Obviously you thought wrong Humper.


Is he/they. Future hall of fame or does he/they suck? Youve said both dumb ass. Look's like your checkmated.

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I can’t wait to watch this game tonight, so many story lines.


Russell Wilson Suck.

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He They Xe Xem wrote:
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He They Xe Xem wrote:
Why is Field's a backup?

Because Tomlin believes that HOFer Russell Wilson is the better option. Which would have been the case if HOFer Wilson were on the Bears Bumper Humper.
He They Xe Xem wrote:
I thought he/they was mvp?
Obviously you thought wrong Humper.


Is he/they. Future hall of fame or does he/they suck? Youve said both dumb ass. Look's like your checkmated.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
I can’t wait to watch this game tonight, so many story lines.


Russell Wilson Suck.


Hey Barely Literate. I said Tomlin believes that Wilson is the better option. Not me.

But the more appropriate question at this point isn't why Fields is a bench player if you are a Bears fan. The appropriate question is why in the hell is Caleb Williams still starting? Just Asking A Question

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He They Xe Xem wrote:
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He They Xe Xem wrote:
Why is Field's a backup?

Because Tomlin believes that HOFer Russell Wilson is the better option. Which would have been the case if HOFer Wilson were on the Bears Bumper Humper.
He They Xe Xem wrote:
I thought he/they was mvp?
Obviously you thought wrong Humper.


Is he/they. Future hall of fame or does he/they suck? Youve said both dumb ass. Look's like your checkmated.

The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I can’t wait to watch this game tonight, so many story lines.


Russell Wilson Suck.


Hey Barely Literate. I said Tomlin believes that Wilson is the better option. Not me.

But the more appropriate question at this point isn't why Fields is a bench player if you are a Bears fan. The appropriate question is why in the hell is Caleb Williams still starting? Just Asking A Question


So why dos a hal of fame coach believe wilson who suck's acording to you is better then field's? Maybe the truth is Field's sucks?

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So why dos a hal of fame coach believe wilson who suck's acording to you is better then field's? Maybe the truth is Field's sucks?


Why does the Steelers Backup QB have the same number of wins in 6 games as the QB you love has in 16 if the QB you love is better than him is much better as a player? Just Asking Questions

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So why dos a hal of fame coach believe wilson who suck's acording to you is better then field's? Maybe the truth is Field's sucks?


Why does the Steelers Backup QB have the same number of wins in 6 games as the QB you love has in 16 if the QB you love is better than him is much better as a player? Just Asking Questions


I am proud a rokie QB was able to match a veterans win total this year and beat him/them in yards and lesser interception's and better passer rating from last year bitch.

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He They Xe Xem wrote:
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So why dos a hal of fame coach believe wilson who suck's acording to you is better then field's? Maybe the truth is Field's sucks?


Why does the Steelers Backup QB have the same number of wins in 6 games as the QB you love has in 16 if the QB you love is better than him is much better as a player? Just Asking Questions


I am proud a rokie QB was able to match a veterans win total this year and beat him/them in yards and lesser interception's and better passer rating from last year bitch.


This dumbass is "proud" about a 4 win team on a 10 game losing streak that is being QB'd by one of the worst QBs in the league. Which really says all that needs to be said. Stupid motherfucker!
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But hey he's "proud" of the fact that Caleb has the same number of wins in 16 (soon to be 17) games as Pittsburgh's backup has in 6. So there's that.

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Yes its very good he/they already proved he/they is better then field's in year 1. His/there number's are better then peyton manning in year one and better then justin field's year three stats. This is al very promising you bitch whore.

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Nothing I said there is wrong. The "Bend, don't break" defensive principle means they allow teams to march up and down the field but tend to force them to settle for fewer points in the Red Zone. Those long sustained drives affect clock management because opposing offenses are given 5+ minutes of game clock to burn every time they get the ball.

Having Tee Time provide an illustration of what is meant by "Bend but Don't break" is one of the funnier things in all of this by the way. The Bears were 7th Best in scoring at the time that you were mocking people for daring to proclaim that their defense was "above average".
Whether they were playing the 46 defense, Tampa 2, or whatever doesn't matter. The objective is to prevent the other team from scoring a lot of points and their defense did this at the time. And you constantly bashed people for daring to claim that it was "successful" when clearly it was successful. Which only further illustrates that you are rather deranged.

Cover 2 sorta wears out when you're not getting lots of takeaways like Lovie's teams did, though.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Points allowed is the the main metric due to Football's scoring system.

There's 5 playoff teams below them so...

Fun fact - on the date of Eberflus’ firing, they were scoring more points per game than they were allowing.

And yet…


Duh it was because of the 2 bumslaying games. :lol:

The Bears offense has scored 17 points or less 10 times this season I believe. Will check for validation.

10 games this season the Bears offense has scored 17 points or less.

I think you’re starting to understand why average points per game isn’t necessarily a great metric but I’m not optimistic you’ll get all the way there.

How isn't it the best metric in a 7 & 3 scoring system? Seems like simple math to me but am I missing something?

It’s fine, just doesn’t tell you everything. The Packers game is a great example.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nardi wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Points allowed is the the main metric due to Football's scoring system.

There's 5 playoff teams below them so...

Fun fact - on the date of Eberflus’ firing, they were scoring more points per game than they were allowing.

And yet…


Duh it was because of the 2 bumslaying games. :lol:

The Bears offense has scored 17 points or less 10 times this season I believe. Will check for validation.

10 games this season the Bears offense has scored 17 points or less.

I think you’re starting to understand why average points per game isn’t necessarily a great metric but I’m not optimistic you’ll get all the way there.

How isn't it the best metric in a 7 & 3 scoring system? Seems like simple math to me but am I missing something?

It’s fine, just doesn’t tell you everything. The Packers game is a great example.


Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Nothing I said there is wrong. The "Bend, don't break" defensive principle means they allow teams to march up and down the field but tend to force them to settle for fewer points in the Red Zone. Those long sustained drives affect clock management because opposing offenses are given 5+ minutes of game clock to burn every time they get the ball.

Having Tee Time provide an illustration of what is meant by "Bend but Don't break" is one of the funnier things in all of this by the way. The Bears were 7th Best in scoring at the time that you were mocking people for daring to proclaim that their defense was "above average".
Whether they were playing the 46 defense, Tampa 2, or whatever doesn't matter. The objective is to prevent the other team from scoring a lot of points and their defense did this at the time. And you constantly bashed people for daring to claim that it was "successful" when clearly it was successful. Which only further illustrates that you are rather deranged.

Cover 2 sorta wears out when you're not getting lots of takeaways like Lovie's teams did, though.


It wears you out more when you are flanked by an offense that is one of the worst in 3rd down conversions in the league. An offense that is notorious for doing absolutely nothing until the opposing defense relaxes after going up 2- 3 scores. That wears the defense out much more.

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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.


If you think they played terrible then you need a new way of looking at terrible. They "held' the Packers to 6 points under their avg. That's hardly an example of being a bad defense.

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Yes its very good he/they already proved he/they is better then field's in year 1. His/there number's are better then peyton manning in year one and better then justin field's year three stats. This is al very promising you bitch whore.

Are you still practicing your mean mug in the mirror you cowardly sack of shit?
Hey dumb motherfucker. Caleb's rookie numbers are the product of passing the ball the 5th most times of any QB in the league. Not "effectiveness" dumbass

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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.


If you think they played terrible then you need a new way of looking at terrible. They "held' the Packers to 6 points under their avg. That's hardly an example of being a bad defense.

What did you think the defense did well that game?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.


If you think they played terrible then you need a new way of looking at terrible. They "held' the Packers to 6 points under their avg. That's hardly an example of being a bad defense.

What did you think the defense did well that game?

The most important thing which they needed to do. Hold a high scoring team 6 points under their season avg.
That is the only reason the game "tightened'
No one cares if a baseball team has 15 hits if they only score 2 runs. Why the different set of rules with respect to yards and points in football?

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Nothing I said there is wrong. The "Bend, don't break" defensive principle means they allow teams to march up and down the field but tend to force them to settle for fewer points in the Red Zone. Those long sustained drives affect clock management because opposing offenses are given 5+ minutes of game clock to burn every time they get the ball.

Having Tee Time provide an illustration of what is meant by "Bend but Don't break" is one of the funnier things in all of this by the way. The Bears were 7th Best in scoring at the time that you were mocking people for daring to proclaim that their defense was "above average".
Whether they were playing the 46 defense, Tampa 2, or whatever doesn't matter. The objective is to prevent the other team from scoring a lot of points and their defense did this at the time. And you constantly bashed people for daring to claim that it was "successful" when clearly it was successful. Which only further illustrates that you are rather deranged.

Well the 46 is a personnel package and the Tampa 2 is a coverage scheme, and most modern NFL defenses roll out in a nickel package anyway. But thank you for demonstrating that this is all just about your autistic fixation with Justin Fields, and nobody should take your football thoughts seriously. Good job, Radio.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nothing I said there is wrong. The "Bend, don't break" defensive principle means they allow teams to march up and down the field but tend to force them to settle for fewer points in the Red Zone. Those long sustained drives affect clock management because opposing offenses are given 5+ minutes of game clock to burn every time they get the ball.

Having Tee Time provide an illustration of what is meant by "Bend but Don't break" is one of the funnier things in all of this by the way. The Bears were 7th Best in scoring at the time that you were mocking people for daring to proclaim that their defense was "above average".
Whether they were playing the 46 defense, Tampa 2, or whatever doesn't matter. The objective is to prevent the other team from scoring a lot of points and their defense did this at the time. And you constantly bashed people for daring to claim that it was "successful" when clearly it was successful. Which only further illustrates that you are rather deranged.

Well the 46 is a personnel package and the Tampa 2 is a coverage scheme, and most modern NFL defenses roll out in a nickel package anyway. But thank you for demonstrating that this is all just about your autistic fixation with Justin Fields, and nobody should take your football thoughts seriously. Good job, Radio.

I don't give a shit about your "Madden" inspired analysis of Football you stupid motherfucker. What matters in any defense isn't the scheme you video playing asswipe. It's the results that are achieved while playing that scheme you dumb motherfucker.
What I pointed out was how stupid you sound continuing to argue that the #7th ranked defense in the league is terrible at defense Tee Time.

And accurately proclaiming that the Bears would be Better with Justin Fields (considering that their record was decidedly better with him just last year) isn't "fixation" creep. It's reality dumbass.

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Yes its very good he/they already proved he/they is better then field's in year 1. His/there number's are better then peyton manning in year one and better then justin field's year three stats. This is al very promising you bitch whore.

Are you still practicing your mean mug in the mirror you cowardly sack of shit?
Hey dumb motherfucker. Caleb's rookie numbers are the product of passing the ball the 5th most times of any QB in the league. Not "effectiveness" dumbass


This isn't basketball you dumbass. When you have a beter completion percentage then someone else and you pass the ball more its actually reflects better on caleb then field's dumbass. Go pick Splinter's out if field's ass you bitch whore

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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.


If you think they played terrible then you need a new way of looking at terrible. They "held' the Packers to 6 points under their avg. That's hardly an example of being a bad defense.

What did you think the defense did well that game?

The most important thing which they needed to do. Hold a high scoring team 6 points under their season avg.
That is the only reason the game "tightened'
No one cares if a baseball team has 15 hits if they only score 2 runs. Why the different set of rules with respect to yards and points in football?

Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.

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Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

The primary reason that the Bears did not win many games this season is because their offense blows. Not their defense.

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Yes its very good he/they already proved he/they is better then field's in year 1. His/there number's are better then peyton manning in year one and better then justin field's year three stats. This is al very promising you bitch whore.

Are you still practicing your mean mug in the mirror you cowardly sack of shit?
Hey dumb motherfucker. Caleb's rookie numbers are the product of passing the ball the 5th most times of any QB in the league. Not "effectiveness" dumbass


This isn't basketball you dumbass. When you have a beter completion percentage then someone else and you pass the ball more its actually reflects better on caleb then field's dumbass. Go pick Splinter's out if field's ass you bitch whore


Hey stupid. I'm glad you referenced completion %. Caleb is in the running for the worst completion % of any qb of the past 25 years when it comes to passes over 10 yards you dumb motherfucker. Now go find a mirror so you can work on your mean mug you cowardly motherfucker.

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A lot of noise recently saying the Bears are keeping Poles. It’s so frustrating how stupid this organization is. He’s done nothing but make bad decisions that have blown up almost immediately for all three seasons he’s been here but this hapless group is just fine with that apparently. What’s worse is that they’ll have to extend him too if they want to land certain coaches.


I won’t be as frustrated if they land Ben Johnson.. but it will still sting. He’s (Poles) terrible at almost every level of evaluation.. coaches, draft, free agency, trades..

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Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

The primary reason that the Bears did not win many games this season is because their offense blows. Not their defense.

I get you have a genuine hatred of Williams for taking Fields away from you, but I imagine you’re capable of simultaneously: 1) hating Caleb Williams and 2) taking an objective look at the defense.

When your opponent has limited possessions, they can’t score as many points. It’s the entire concept behind ball control offense.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Do you mean the Packers game where the Packers were held to 6 points below their season average in points? It should have told everyone a lot actually about the Bears Defense. Apparently not.

If you think the Bears defense played well that game you need a new TV.


If you think they played terrible then you need a new way of looking at terrible. They "held' the Packers to 6 points under their avg. That's hardly an example of being a bad defense.

What did you think the defense did well that game?

The most important thing which they needed to do. Hold a high scoring team 6 points under their season avg.
That is the only reason the game "tightened'
No one cares if a baseball team has 15 hits if they only score 2 runs. Why the different set of rules with respect to yards and points in football?

Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


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3 pts is an illegitimate stop. Again, tell why points allowed isn't the major metric.
But tell me in a xe/them way.


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