Well then most quarterbacks have gotten a coach fired then.

So now Williams isn't coachable?

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I don't think he is based on what i've seen. But you'd rather troll on the internet as opposed to actually watch games so you wouldn't know.

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It would be very un-Bengals after they let Marvin Lewis hang around for 15 years, but I just have a weird feeling they'll launch Taylor.

Vrabel will probably wind up in New England.

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Well you hate him for anything you can.

What hasn't been coachable? Poor play doesn't mean not coachable.

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The last game before Waldron was fired he was on the bench talking to the Generational Talent and he was completely blowing him off. That's the definition of "uncoachable".

This past game he stood of to the side while everyone else was in the huddle during the timeout.

There have been numerous times this past season where he has shown Bears coaches up during games. Those are all traits of players that are uncoachable.

And he does quite a few things (namely inquire about ownership before ever taking an NFL snap) which seeks to separate himself from the team.

Coaches talk and players talk. I would bet a dollar to a donut that there are quite a few on both sides who are stating that he isn't a guy that you want to play with. Nor is he a guy that you want to coach either.

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And conversely you love him for anything you can so I guess it all balances out. Just not when it comes to the Bears winning and losing. Right now the "haters" are winning by a wife margin. Time to even the score. Let's go!

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I don't think Brick has been a Caleb Williams superfan. The only person here who really fit that description was HawaiiYou proclaiming that "the offense will score at will" and that "this year is figuring everything out and next year is the year!" Hard to be over-the-top in favor of him when the Bears have been shitting up the joint since mid-October.

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Most of these things seem made up.

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I point out when he's really good. I point out when he's ready bad too. He's got star potential and he'll at least be a league average starter. If that is loving him when we watched every Bears QB fail to get to league average status besides (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for one year then guilty as charged.

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Nah Brick is all in too. He still believes that Caleb "can throw" even as statistics show that the he is one of the least accurate passers of the last 25 years. And even when he has played terribly, which has been the overwhelming amount of time, Brick still always will try and find that silver lining for some strange reason.

And the Caleb bandwagon extends far beyond HawaiiYou too. Hell Tee Time still believes that he has "all world" ability and accuracy that is top notch even as stats demonstrate that he is one of the least accurate passers of the past 25 years

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Brick he's primarily been terrible for the majority of this season. The Bears offense is dead last (I'm certain) in terms of scoring for the first 3 quarters in the entire league.

He's had 5 or 6 games this season where he failed to scratch 100 yards until the game entered the 4th Quarter.

By just about every metric known to man he has absolutely sucked. And yet Game after game you show up to argue on his behalf and look for that silver lining.

And as far as "hating" I've never "hated" any athlete. I'm not that emotionally attached. If you can play you can play. And I'm a Bears fan first. If I thought this kid had it I'd happily say it. He doesn't in my opinion and nothing he has shown this season has served to change this particular assessment. Nor should it.
Until this kid demonstrates otherwise, he sucks. If he becomes "that dude" under a new coach and offensive line then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

But until then I will continue to highlight how he sucks because he does.

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I've praised Caleb's good play and pointed out his awful play as well, so let's try living in reality, Radio. What I don't do is tolerate absurd criticism from people like you who made the exact same excuses about Justin Fields but now claim it's Caleb's fault he's been sacked almost 70 times and putting up more/better stats than Justin Fields ever did as a passer in Chicago doesn't matter.

Mike Vrabel is my clear #1 choice. He won games with Ryan Tannehill and he's not going to take shit from anyone. Fire Poles and let him bring a gm in.

Let's see if Robert Kraft is still loyal to Jerod Mayo for saying "I like Israel" one time.

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Hey clown. You claimed that Caleb's 4th Quarter play during the Washington Game was "stellar". A Quarter (and game) in which he passed for no Touchdowns. "Stellar play" nonetheless. Against the Colts you again lauded his play even as his team lost mostly due to his inability to get them out of single digits point wise until the game was mostly concluded.

You led some stupid crusade against the Bears defense back when they were one of the better defenses in the league because you didn't have the stones or good sense to say that Caleb Williams was playing like shit.

Caleb has literally broken records for futility and ineptness this season and not once have you ever bothered to comment on the shit.

Euphemistically stating every blue moon that he has "struggled" or played "badly" when he clearly has sucked isn't indicative of someone that has played it straight either.

In fact you, like MANY here, were quick to point how Cakeb was a Rookie whom you expected to "struggle" ONLY after he began to suck as mightily as he did. Prior to that he was someone with "all world" ability whose mere presence would make the Bears decidedly better as a team, rookie or not.

And lastly. You were the same dope and buffoon who immediately scoffed at the notion that "Generational Caleb" was bumslaying even as it was clear to anyone that understands how competition and sports works that he was bumslaying. And the Numbers since this comment was made strongly support this.

2 bumslaying games Generational Caleb averaged 35.5 points. 10 games Since then they have avg 14 points per game and only scored more than 25 points once.

5-6 games they have been held scoreless at half time. At least 4 games in the single digits points wise
Game after the game of him posting some of the worse QBR numbers in the entire league.

You (as is your normal) made a complete ass of yourself week after week with this, and yet here you are. Last game and all. 10 (soon to be 11 game losing streak) game losing streak and all. Endlessly Bloviating and pontificating as if you were "correct all along" with your dumbass. All because you are just that damn deranged

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1. Caleb Williams threw for 95 yards in a quarter, leading two separate drives that got literally to the Washington goal line, and the only reason both didn't end up with TDs is because the bad offensive coordinator wanted a backup offensive lineman to take a handoff—all to put his team in a position to take the lead while down late and close in the 4th. What about that isn't stellar?

I'm not going to go through all your other asinine points, all of which have been proven wrong at best, lies at worst. Rather I'll simply point to how you vacillate between calling me stupid for thinking anything other than Points Per Game can tell a more complete picture of a football performance, to fixating on QBR, of all things, to prove your point that Caleb Williams is bad, and carving up the season so that you can count only the worst performances as indicative of the whole season.

You're a buffoon who knows very little about football other than you're big mad that Justin Fields is gone, and Caleb Williams as a rookie quickly surpassed the QB performance of Fields.

I just don't understand the Justin Fields obsession. It's like the Japanese soldiers on the remote island who never knew the war ended. He was kinda bad! The end!

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And this is one of the dumber trains of thought as well. It's not an "obsession" as much as it is a realistic and astute way of looking at the situation. It's not an "obsession" to point out that the Bears would have been in a much better position as a franchise had they simply traded the pick and kept Justin Fields. Because they did not we are once again arguing about the same stupid shit that we have argued about for the past 30 years. Gms Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators. Perpetually longing for and endlessly discussing the prospects of finding that new coach or managerial messiah that is going to "right the ship" and bring the franchise back to its "glory days" when they routinely beat the Packers.

In essence a typical Score discussion. It's old, tired, and boring. Poles had the franchise on an upward trajectory but he screwed it up. And because he screwed this up they are bound to keep losing for at least the next 3 years. We'll be on our 3rd or 4th coach with this before they realize what MANY Bear fans already happen to know.

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You're telling me. There are like five active threads that I can't tell apart.

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Hey stupid and rather deranged. Of course you aren't going to go through salient point after salient point that was made by me. And we both know why. It's because they were "salient". You look stupid advocating for someone that has woefully underperformed this year. Someone mind you, that literally no one is currently referring to as "Generational". That is unless you count me.
You're just that mentally challenged and deranged that you probably have convinced yourself that the Bears aren't on a 10 game losing streak. You probably have convinced yourself that Caleb is "leading" the team to the playoffs. You're just that damn deranged.

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"It's an astute argument that hypothetically-not-traded Justin Fields would have been better than what Caleb Williams has done with this team as a rookie because of these things I made up in my head."

Caleb Williams has more impressive passes this season than Justin had in his entire time here.

This one point alone is illustrative of just how stupid and uninformed that you happen to be with regards to your opinions on sports. Football in particular


At the time the you started going on about defensive ppg Every team in front of the Bears was a playoff team. Some below the Bears were playoff teams. You stupidly claimed that this stat did not matter and prioritized yards per game over Points per game as a "metric" for measuring a team's success. Only an idiot would do this. It doesn't take a football savant to know that Points as a metric literally trump's everything. The fact that this has to be explained to you is "bizarre"

You also bashed people for correctly pointing out that a team that was ranked #7 in points allowed was "above average" when it was clear to anyone with a functioning brain that they were "above average" . You don't think that makes you sort of "deranged"?

Evety step of the way you have come out looking like an ass with this. And your Caleb thoughts are "patently absurb" to say the least.

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Yep. Got me.

Caleb can throw. Even with his struggles he's equalled or outperformed every Bears season except a few since 1985.

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You hate Caleb Williams. It's fine.

You spent 5 weeks bashing his lack of a touchdown pass. He started throwing those in high numbers and you quickly switched to first quarter production.

It will be the same next year. Caleb doesn't throw 40 yards touchdowns enough or some other off the wall stat.

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You guys love to just say shit like this

Statistically he is somewhere in the range of being one of the ten least accurate quarterbacks since the turn of the century. His biggest issue is really that when he throws the football even Caleb Williams himself has no idea really where it’s going. And this goes for all ranges.

I believe he is the least accurate quarterback overall in the last five yards in terms of on-target throws more than ten yards downfield. Or something like that, I can find the chart its not painting a good picture.

10 tds in 5 games is pretty good.

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How many did he have against the Seahawks?

Yet he's outperforming so many other Bears QBs. Strange. Maybe that one small slice of advanced stats doesn't tell the whole story.

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