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He started throwing those in high numbers

:lol: You guys love to just say shit like this

10 tds in 5 games is pretty good.

How many did he have against the Seahawks?

We only count games he throws 0 in?

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Fresh off a three points at home performance against a mediocre Seahawks team we have the claim the Bears are scoring touchdowns in “high numbers”. I wonder what qualifies as low numbers of touchdowns? Or even average number of touchdowns.


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This statement is exhibit A as to why guys like this and their sports "thoughts" are never to actually be taken seriously.
Brick wrote:
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You spent 5 weeks bashing his lack of a touchdown pass.

And this is exhibit B
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He started throwing those in high numbers and you quickly switched to first quarter production.

And this is exhibit C
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It will be the same next year. Caleb doesn't throw 40 yards touchdowns enough or some other off the wall stat.

With the basic premise being centered on this fundamental belief:
Why Don't You Love and See The Greatness That We See In A Quarterback That Sucks!

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Fresh off a three points at home performance against a mediocre Seahawks team we have the claim the Bears are scoring touchdowns in “high numbers”. I wonder what qualifies as low numbers of touchdowns? Or even average number of touchdowns.

The point was that Dr. Style was all in on the "Caleb Williams isn't throwing touchdowns" and then when Caleb Williams started throwing touchdowns he switched to some other complaint and next year he'll just find something else.

Williams was bad in the Seahawks game. He's been bad in more games than anyone would like. He's just also been very good at times.

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Brick wrote:
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Fresh off a three points at home performance against a mediocre Seahawks team we have the claim the Bears are scoring touchdowns in “high numbers”. I wonder what qualifies as low numbers of touchdowns? Or even average number of touchdowns.

The point was that Dr. Style was all in on the "Caleb Williams isn't throwing touchdowns" and then when Caleb Williams started throwing touchdowns he switched to some other complaint and next year he'll just find something else.

Williams was bad in the Seahawks game. He's been bad in more games than anyone would like. He's just also been very good at times.


Over 60% of his touchdowns came when the Gane is no longer a competition.

He also has one of the lowest TD% of any QB in the NFL this season

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:39 am 
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And again this is why your sports "thoughts" are mostly a joke McCarver
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He's just also been very good at times.

No professional player is ever judged on whether they play well "at times" Most of them do which is why they are professional players.
"TZak" played well at times. So did PT Willis. So did the Mighty Quinn. When you say silly things such as this it disqualifies anything else that you have to say.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Over 60% of his touchdowns come when the Gane is no longer a competition.
This is wrong but I'm tired of pointing out how wrong you are on this and you just ignore it.

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He also has one of the lowest TD% of any QB in the NFL this season
He also has the third best INT%. I only point that out to show once again how often you cherry pick stats.

To be clear, Williams has been terrible in more games than he should have been. It's just stupid to keep on creating this long flow charts of why he's actually the worst QB in Bears history if you only use passes over 10 yards in the first quarter in games the score was within 10 points on even numbered days.

Assuming he plays alright this weekend, he's likely put up one of the 5 best Bears QB seasons in the Super Bowl era and he didn't even play all that well. He did this as a rookie. He's not perfect. He's been disappointing at times for sure. If he doesn't improve he probably ends up a journeyman NFL starter but it's the best position the Bears have been at QB in a very long time.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:09 am 
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Williams was bad in the Seahawks game.

And anyone that knows football or sports in general knows perfectly well why he was bad in this particular game. It was because this particular game was still an actual "competition" McCarver. The Seahawks had something to play for and thus he would have had to "earn" his points. He has only "played well" this season in games that were not actual games by the time he began to "play well". And of course the 2 bumslaying games.
This is what I have been trying to explain to you but the curve is too steep I'm afraid.

If you'd actually watched the game and not the stats you'd have known exactly why he "didn’t play well" in this particular game or games that fit this particular profile.

1. He can't read defenses. The NFL knows this which is why they play press coverage and throw 7 in the box whenever they want to thwart a Bears drive. That's all Seattle did. They threw 7 in the box and the Bears had 6 guys (including the back who chipped in) that were in to block. Which means there would always be 1 guy that came clean because there was no one to block them. And guys like you blame the line when that is clearly on the QB. It's up to the QB to read the defensive scheme and audible to a play that is more suitable for the scheme that the defense is utilizing on a given play. Time and again this season Williams has been completely unable to do this.
Hot read receiver in the slot, fade route to the outside or whatever. "Great" QBs salivate whenever they get man coverage. This kid cowers.

2. He is inaccurate as shit. Which is precisely why no team whom the Bears have played this season (Save for 2 Bumslayers) were ever afraid to play press coverage on them. They know the numbers just as everyone knows the numbers. He is one of the least accurate passers of the past 25 years in passes over 10 yards. He also is the leader this season with respect to "uncatchable" balls. Of the top 7-8 receivers with respect to this stat, the Bears have 3.

So why you sit around trying to deflect to silly things such as "hate" what I'm doing is "schooling" a dope such as yourself about the game of football McCarver

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He has only "played well" this season in games that were not actual games by the time he began to "play well".
Again, this is wrong. I'm going to ignore any post of yours that keeps on repeating this completely wrong point.

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Brick wrote:
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He has only "played well" this season in games that were not actual games by the time he began to "play well".
Again, this is wrong. I'm going to ignore any post of yours that keeps on repeating this completely wrong point.


Here is the thing. Whenever anyone steps away from the CFMB bubble most of the takes line up with the things that I've been saying.

Caleb Williams is one of the least accurate passers of the past 25 years whenever he has to pass for over 10 yards. How can you completely ignore this fact yet still claim to be "objective"? Just Asking A Question

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Caleb Williams is one of the least accurate passers of the past 25 years whenever he has to pass for over 10 yards. How can you completely ignore this fact yet still claim to be "objective"? Just Asking A Question
It's not being ignored. It's just not the only thing that matters. He needs to be more accurate on deep passes for sure. I think he will be.

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All passes, not just deep passes. He’s inaccurate everywhere. Like I said, he’s somewhere around the least quarterback ever of those who have more than five hundred attempts in a season.

The odds of him making it are near zero. You look at the harsh reality that most guys endure a profound sophomore slump (very few improve in that year, and of the guys who do Caleb Williams is clearly not in that echelon) and that the things he struggles with are unlikely to ever improve, it’s just not worth really doing this any more. It’s over whether you want to admit it or not.


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Brick wrote:
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Caleb Williams is one of the least accurate passers of the past 25 years whenever he has to pass for over 10 yards. How can you completely ignore this fact yet still claim to be "objective"? Just Asking A Question
It's not being ignored. It's just not the only thing that matters. He needs to be more accurate on deep passes for sure. I think he will be.


Brick very few QBs in NFL history turned out to be good that could not complete a pass over 10 yards.

Here is another stat which you will claim is totally "unimportant". In terms of "uncatchable" passes, of the top 8 receivers on the list the Bears have 3 in Allen, Odunze, and Moore..

And again it's tough to believe that you are "objective" when yiu completely ignore stats such as these. Remember you're the guy that has repeatedly proclaimed that Caleb Williams "can throw". Based on what? Blind faith?

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At this point, we'll see who is right next year. I think Williams will be even better next year and the whole discussion will be laughable. You and USA have him on the failure train who will quickly fall out of the league.

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And here is another thing McCarver. While you sit here trolling and pretend to be offended by comments about his bumslaying and garbage time stats, I doubt very seriously if you ever actually watched the games in question as a way of refuting the claims. It's obvious that the other teams were playing time and score once they were up 2 Tds in the 4th Quarter. Obvious to anyone but you apparently.

And here is just a little more numbers crunching McCarver.

Of Caleb's 19 Tds
12 came when the Bears were down 2 scores or more
6 came during the 2 Bumslaying games

How in the hell is a team ever going to be expected to win consistently with numbers such as these this being the case? Just Asking A Question

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At this point, we'll see who is right next year. I think Williams will be even better next year and the whole discussion will be laughable. You and USA have him on the failure train who will quickly fall out of the league.


You're not going to wiggle out of this by falsely misrepresenting things that I have stated either McCarver. I don't have him to be "out of the league quickly" Because then we will just be arguing over what is or is not "quickly".
I will say that the "Generational' stuff is over and now the best that anyone can hope for is if he is ever going to be "good'. Early returns has him trending moreso bust but I could be wrong. I actually hope that I am as a Bears fan to be honest.

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You're not going to wiggle out of this by falsely misrepresenting things that I have stated either McCarver. I don't have him to be "out of the league quickly" Because then we will just be arguing over what is or is not "quickly".
Oh come on. You spend hours a day talking about how bad he is in all facets of the game and yet you get offended when it's pointed out you think he's terrible?
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I will say that the "Generational' stuff is over and now the best that anyone can hope for is if he is ever going to be "good'. Early returns has him trending moreso bust but I could be wrong. I actually hope that I am as a Bears fan to be honest.
The Doctor Of Backtracking. :lol:

Actually, I just don't think he'll be a HOFer! :lol:

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At this point, we'll see who is right next year. I think Williams will be even better next year and the whole discussion will be laughable. You and USA have him on the failure train who will quickly fall out of the league.

We’ll see what happens with the coaching search but I am afraid it won’t be quick. The same DEI reasons that they drafted Caleb Williams over (at least) three superior players will probably keep him behind center for the Bears well past the expiration date.


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Oh come on. You spend hours a day talking about how badp he is in all facets of the game and yet you get offended when it's pointed out you think he's terrible? .

You claimed that i believed that he will be out the league " "quickly". Something which i have never stated.


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At this point, we'll see who is right next year. I think Williams will be even better next year and the whole discussion will be laughable. You and USA have him on the failure train who will quickly fall out of the league.

It's lies such as this which renders you to be a joke at this point McCarver
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Oh come on. You spend hours a day talking about how badp he is in all facets of the game and yet you get offended when it's pointed out you think he's terrible? .

You claimed that i believed that he will be out the league " "quickly". Something which i have never stated.


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At this point, we'll see who is right next year. I think Williams will be even better next year and the whole discussion will be laughable. You and USA have him on the failure train who will quickly fall out of the league.

It's lies such as this which renders you to be a joke at this point McCarver
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Well you are backtracking pretty quick now. That's good enough for me.

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Well you are backtracking pretty quick now. That's good enough for me.


Again more lying. Knowing and Acknowledging this for me is "good enough" for now

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And your Caleb thoughts are "patently absurb" :lol: to say the least.

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Well you are backtracking pretty quick now. That's good enough for me.


Again more lying. Knowing and Acknowledging this for me is "good enough" for now

What type of numbers do you expect for Williams next year?

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Brick wrote:
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Well you are backtracking pretty quick now. That's good enough for me.


Again more lying. Knowing and Acknowledging this for me is "good enough" for now

What type of numbers do you expect for Williams next year?


Who knows. Who cares. If he is decidedly better as a player it will be obvious. For one I don't want to see another year where over 60% of his TDs occur when the team is down 2 scores or more. If he is doing then that means that Bears are having another shitty season.

Or 5-6 games of 0 points at half time either.

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Who cares if Williams is better next year? Every Bears fan.

Don't be scared to say something that you may be wrong about.

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Who cares if Williams is better next year? Every Bears fan.

Don't be scared to say something that you may be wrong about.

They dont want to set an amount because no matter what his numbers are next year they will explain it away that it does not matter

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Who cares if Williams is better next year? Every Bears fan.

Don't be scared to say something that you may be wrong about.

They dont want to set an amount because no matter what his numbers are next year they will explain it away that it does not matter

Everyone who knows sports knows that there is such a thing as "empty stats". Caleb Williams mastered this "skill" in college and he is well on his way to mastering this skill in the NFL as well. He's not fooling anyone with that.

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Brick wrote:
Who cares if Williams is better next year? Every Bears fan.

Don't be scared to say something that you may be wrong about.


You're hung up on "certain" numbers and dismissive of other numbers. And very selective as to when you want those certain numbers to matter. For instance you were still beating the drums for Caleb "playing well" even as he went nearly 5 games without throwing a TD. How?

And even now you're proclaiming that he has "played well" even as every statistic suggests that he is one of the worst QBs in the league.

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