It's pretty wild that you are going with your gut and LTG is generally going with a year's worth of evidence. I commend you. I really do. One small beef:

You put Caleb ahead of Nix just because Nix is 24? QB is a position unlike any in professional sports. It's a crapshoot picking them and development time is off the charts random. Jared Goff is 30. He had a couple nice years with the Rams but this is really his first year of QB completeness. You can say definitively that he's at or near his ceiling. At age 30.

Are they going to die?

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Nix reminds me of a slightly better Mitch. Granted I didn’t watch every Broncos snap like others and only saw him in prime time.

I’ll consider changing that opinion if he plays well against Buffalo and/or drives his team to a potential game winning drive in the 4th quarter like Mitch did against the Eagles only for his kicker to ruin it and break the franchise and his coach and the fan base and Goose Island brewery and that was the worse thing in the history of the country to happen on Jan 6th.

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I'm not putting much stock into what happens as a rookie. Just look at CJ Stroud. One of the best rookie seasons of all time. This year, Williams was as good or better.

Nix also has significantly more experience. 61 college games compared to 37 for Williams.

Maybe Nix ends up a HOFer but there is good reason to believe that Nix is further ahead in his development than Williams is in his.

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Your argument would be a helluva lot more credible had it been made during the summer when everyone believed he was "Generational"

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It was about Penix but the same logic applies.

By the way, remember when you argued that Fields second year should be compared to Williams first year because of a roughly 250 day age difference?

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No I argued it because 1 guy was a 22 year old rookie while the other is 23.

And actually for someone who repeatedly argues that "Rookie Years don't matter" you sure do spend a helluva lot of time referencing Rookie Seasons whenever you believe that it advances your argument.

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Yes and now do the ages for Nix and Penix as rookies.

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Nix is better currently. Penix small sample size. We can debate whether it's because Nix is older. Or we can debate whether it's because he's just better.

However you cannot continuously argue that "Rookie Years Don't Count" then constantly reference the rookie year of Caleb as evidence that he is good.

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So age matters but age also doesn't matter and maybe we don't know if it matters.

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Goff's the same guy he's always been more or less. He looks really good right now because he's in the best offensive ecosystem in the NFL. If he was on the Bears instead of Caleb the Bears would have the same number of wins, maybe fewer.

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C'mon man. It's college. I'll grant that Nix had about a 5% head start.

Why is it up for debate whether Nix's performance is due to being older or just plain better but when comparing Justin Fields and Caleb Williams we absolutely cannot compare their rookie campaigns and must compare the seasons they both began at the same whole age number?

That's not how the age thing works in sports. And by the way. Patrick Mahomes sat as a Rookie. Thus Caleb Williams is better because he performed better as a Rookie than Mahomes. Which on its face is ludicrous

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YOU said it was improper to compare rookie Caleb Williams with rookie Justin Fields because Caleb turned 23 late into his rookie season, and Justin did not.

YOU also said it was a "debate" whether Nix is just better as a 24-year old rookie to Caleb as a rookie despite Williams being a full, almost two(!), calendar year younger.

Again I ask you: Why did you change your standard of when and how to compare rookie QBs? When comparing Caleb to Justin they HAVE to be compared in their similar-aged year, but when comparing Caleb to Nix, who is almost 2 years older than him, it's acceptable. What explains this change other than sheer dishonesty on your part?

Nah it always matters. Which is why you are free to proclaim that Williams 2nd year will be better than Nix's first season. I doubt that it will however.

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It's stupid to discuss anything of this nature with you because no matter what you will never quite "comprehend" the point being made anyway.

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What does "It's college" mean? You don't think playing 61 college games gives you an early advantage over someone that played 37 college games? That's two full calendar years of playing in the second best football league in the world.

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So why are you questioning my opinion that Nix and Penix have an advantage being older in the short term?

But yes, Patrick Mahomes is another example on why rookie year performance really doesn't matter all that much.

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Penix also has red flags for serious leg injuries

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False. You have sought to compare the Rookie Numbers of Fields and Caleb as validation that Caleb is the better player from the very beginning.

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How are you not understanding this?

You have constantly mentioned how Williams as playing as a rookie. I have countered many of your unfair criticisms of that.

It still doesn't matter all that much. Both things can be true. The Packers game didn't mean anything either as the season was over but it doesn't mean it can't be discussed.

In regards to career success, rookie year QB production means almost nothing.

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It means that a year of NFL is extremely more valuable than Josh Allen's time in Wyoming playing Grandma's Kindergarden and Joe Burrow's time at LSU playng powerhouses.

It's you that doesn't quite "understand". You cannot write off rookie stats in one breath and then constantly reference them in another. Either rookie numbers matter to you or they don't.

Like MANY here, you use his rookie status as a future indicator of "great things that are to come" whenever you believe that he has performed well, and write it off as just a "rookie playing as all rookies play" whenever he plays badly.

That way you have all the bases covered.

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That's absolutely true but we are talking about two players that had 0 NFL experience so that isn't relevant. Nix being much older and having 2 full seasons more of starts in the second best football league in the world means he had an advantage as a rookie.

What's with this crush on Bo Nix now?

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They don't matter. I can discuss something that doesn't matter long term. The Green Bay game doesn't mean the Bears have a brighter future than Green Bay going forward either.

I do not remember a single time where I used his rookie status as an indicator of great things that are to come from Williams. I do think he had a good but not great season though. He did show potential to be great if that is what you are referring to.

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It's a slight advantage. I estimate 5%.
Out of the QBs, he's improved the most through his worthless rookie year. Is that a crush or fact?

It started as early as the Colts game. Where Caleb was playing good for someone in only his 3rd game

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If you can't understand the concept that a game can be discussed without it mattering that much in the long term I don't know what to tell you.

The Bears victory over the Packers doesn't matter for the long term future of the Bears/Packers rivalry either.

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If you cannot understand how citing stats as the basis for each of your arguments, only to later proclaim that stats don't matter looks rather silly and contradictory, then I don't know what to tell you.

In fact just about everything that cite regarding the "good play" of Caleb involves some sort of statistic. Yet Rookie Stats Don't Matter. WYC?

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