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How many threads can you make about not understanding a very understandable term?

I'll just take that as I'm right. It's an unspecific worthless phrase that "dumb people use to seem smart".


I can understand that you're desperate for a win anywhere you may find it Pop Pop, but the simple truth is that you're forcing obtuseness because, well, I'm not really sure why, maybe a misguided effort to appear staunchly objective because you think that gives your thoughts more weight?

Anyway, "repeatable arm talent" is simply a descriptor of "arm talent", specifically that it is "repeatable" and not uncommon or the result of a fluke. For example, Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.). That's the "arm talent" part. Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Justin Fields, at times, showed similar "arm talent", in that they made throws into tight windows with pace, sometimes off of awkward throwing platforms. With Mitch and Justin, though, those instances of "arm talent" were far less common than with Caleb Williams, in fact, oftentimes throws necessitating that specific arm talent, resulted in throws sailing into the arms of defenders over the top (Mitch notoriously sailed passes, Justin less so but it was still there), because the slightest change in arm angle or shoulder tilt meant that neither could re-adjust what they had to in order to complete the throw accurately while maintaining velocity.

Caleb Williams, however, has shown the ability to not only make those throws, but make them much more consistently, or to use another word: repeatedly. The arm talent, again which is into tight windows with pace from different platforms, is more repeatable with Caleb than his predecessors, therefore he has "repeatable arm talent".

If this doesn't help I'll get to work on a coloring book for you.


It's a stupid phrase uttered by a stupid man Hartgrove.

What's stupid about the phrase?

Nothing that you placed in your 'description" of "Repeatable Arm Talent" actually pertains to Caleb Williams for one.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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How many threads can you make about not understanding a very understandable term?

I'll just take that as I'm right. It's an unspecific worthless phrase that "dumb people use to seem smart".


I can understand that you're desperate for a win anywhere you may find it Pop Pop, but the simple truth is that you're forcing obtuseness because, well, I'm not really sure why, maybe a misguided effort to appear staunchly objective because you think that gives your thoughts more weight?

Anyway, "repeatable arm talent" is simply a descriptor of "arm talent", specifically that it is "repeatable" and not uncommon or the result of a fluke. For example, Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.). That's the "arm talent" part. Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Justin Fields, at times, showed similar "arm talent", in that they made throws into tight windows with pace, sometimes off of awkward throwing platforms. With Mitch and Justin, though, those instances of "arm talent" were far less common than with Caleb Williams, in fact, oftentimes throws necessitating that specific arm talent, resulted in throws sailing into the arms of defenders over the top (Mitch notoriously sailed passes, Justin less so but it was still there), because the slightest change in arm angle or shoulder tilt meant that neither could re-adjust what they had to in order to complete the throw accurately while maintaining velocity.

Caleb Williams, however, has shown the ability to not only make those throws, but make them much more consistently, or to use another word: repeatedly. The arm talent, again which is into tight windows with pace from different platforms, is more repeatable with Caleb than his predecessors, therefore he has "repeatable arm talent".

If this doesn't help I'll get to work on a coloring book for you.


It's a stupid phrase uttered by a stupid man Hartgrove.

What's stupid about the phrase?

Nothing that you placed in your 'description" of "Repeatable Arm Talent" actually pertains to Caleb Williams for one.

I've proven to you mathematically that Caleb Williams can throw the ball harder than Justin Fields. His ability to put the ball into tight windows is unquestionable to anyone with a functioning TV and/or brain.

Is that it?


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Oh no. How dare anyone possess and express an "independent thought" around here.

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I can understand that you're desperate for a win anywhere you may find it Pop Pop, but the simple truth is that you're forcing obtuseness because, well, I'm not really sure why, maybe a misguided effort to appear staunchly objective because you think that gives your thoughts more weight?

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I've proven to you mathematically that Caleb Williams can throw the ball harder than Justin Fields. His ability to put the ball into tight windows is unquestionable to anyone with a functioning TV and/or brain.

Is that it?


The only "windows" that Caleb Williams' passes are "fitting" into are the ones in the SkyBoxes at Soldier Field after he airmails another one of them ya damn clown

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Oh no. How dare anyone possess and express an "independent thought" around here.

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I can understand that you're desperate for a win anywhere you may find it Pop Pop, but the simple truth is that you're forcing obtuseness because, well, I'm not really sure why, maybe a misguided effort to appear staunchly objective because you think that gives your thoughts more weight?

Pretending to not understand what "repeatable arm talent" is isn't an independent thought. It's a lame bit.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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I've proven to you mathematically that Caleb Williams can throw the ball harder than Justin Fields. His ability to put the ball into tight windows is unquestionable to anyone with a functioning TV and/or brain.

Is that it?


The only "windows" that Caleb Williams' passes are "fitting" into are the ones in the SkyBoxes at Soldier Field after he airmails another one of them ya damn clown

Are you saying Caleb Williams has never made an accurate throw with pace?

Again you seem to not be taking issue with what "repeatable arm talent" means so much as you disagree with the descriptive term being applied to Caleb Williams, especially when it is used to contrast his talent with that of your man crush. This tells me all I need to know.


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Pretending to not understand what "repeatable arm talent" is isn't an independent thought. It's a lame bit.


There is no such thing as Repeatable Arm Talent. And definitely not something that is "unique" to Caleb Williams either. I get that you are trying in earnest to make it seem like you "know your shit" but it's clear ya don't

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What's stupid about the phrase?

It sounds like jerking off.

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Pretending to not understand what "repeatable arm talent" is isn't an independent thought. It's a lame bit.


There is no such thing as Repeatable Arm Talent.

That's just not true. Is there such a thing as "arm talent"? And if there's no such thing as "repeatable arm talent", why did you object to it being applied to Caleb Williams by citing hyperbolic summations of his accuracy?


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What's stupid about the phrase?

It sounds like jerking off.

Not really, but I appreciate the effort.


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Are you saying Caleb Williams has never made an accurate throw with pace?

From "Repeatable" to "Outlier" in literally a matter of minutes.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Pretending to not understand what "repeatable arm talent" is isn't an independent thought. It's a lame bit.


There is no such thing as Repeatable Arm Talent.

That's just not true. Is there such a thing as "arm talent"? And if there's no such thing as "repeatable arm talent", why did you object to it being applied to Caleb Williams by citing hyperbolic summations of his accuracy?


Yep references to his being one of the least accurate passers of the last 25 years are truly "hyperbolic" in nature.

He's "Hartgrove"

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Are you saying Caleb Williams has never made an accurate throw with pace?

From "Repeatable" to "Outlier" in literally a matter of minutes.

Ah, so you admit that arm talent can be "repeatable". Thanks for playing, Radio.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Are you saying Caleb Williams has never made an accurate throw with pace?

From "Repeatable" to "Outlier" in literally a matter of minutes.

Ah, so you admit that arm talent can be "repeatable". Thanks for playing, Radio.


You're not exactly the "Brightest Bulb" to be found at the Intersection of Wacker and Michigan are ya Hartgrove? Just Asking A Question

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Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.


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Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

No


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Nardi wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

No

Well at least you now seem to grasp the simple concept of repeatable arm talent. We can circle back at a later time to work on your understanding of reality. Or maybe it's a memory issue.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

Statistics validate that he is "repeatable" less often than any other QB in the league. Still not enough to stop you from "soiling" yourself Hartgrove.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

Statistics validate that he is "repeatable" less often than any other QB in the league. Still not enough to stop you from "soiling" yourself Hartgrove.

No they don't.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

Statistics validate that he is "repeatable" less often than any other QB in the league. Still not enough to stop you from "soiling" yourself Hartgrove.

No they don't.


He "repeatedly" throws the most "uncatchable" passes of any QB in the league at the present time.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caleb Williams has the talent to deliver the football into tight windows with pace, from different throwing platforms (running, off-balance, etc.)


OK, that's the explanation and boy oh boy was it specific. It went from, in my coloring book head, taking a shit every morning like clockwork as a repeatable talent to... in the pocket, under pressure, on the run, and off balance throws to tight windows.

Everybody works on that, a tiny few accomplish that. I can name only two off the top of my head. Montana and Mahomes. Brett Favre maybe. He missed the tight window in a repeatable way sometimes.
Feel free to get out the crayon and draw it out who I'm missing besides the OBVIOUS Caleb Williams and his half a dozen to a dozen tight window throws.

Maybe someday he'll have the balls to throw them more than once a month and you will be RIGHT.

He's done it in numerous games numerous times, hence the repeatable part of "repeatable arm talent".

Statistics validate that he is "repeatable" less often than any other QB in the league. Still not enough to stop you from "soiling" yourself Hartgrove.

No they don't.


He "repeatedly" throws the most "uncatchable" passes of any QB in the league at the present time.

I'm weary of error-like stats, as everyone should be, but if you insist: he had the 11th-most "on target" throws in the NFL this season. He repeated an "on target" throw at least 377 times.

EDIT: wary, but also weary, especially in a sport like football.


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I'm weary of error-like stats, as everyone should be, but if you insist: he had the 11th-most "on target" throws in the NFL this season. He repeated an "on target" throw at least 377 times.

He throws the most screens passes in the league. Which don't require "tight window" throws
His on Target% is near the Bottom of the NFL. And he leads the NFL in uncatchable balls by far.

And I'd much rather trust those guys than I ever would the deranged ramblings of Mr. "Repeatable Arm Talent" Himself.

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I'm weary of error-like stats, as everyone should be, but if you insist: he had the 11th-most "on target" throws in the NFL this season. He repeated an "on target" throw at least 377 times.

He throws the most screens passes in the league. Which don't require "tight window" throws
His on Target% is near the Bottom of the NFL. And he leads the NFL in uncatchable balls by far.

And I'd much rather trust those guys than I ever would the deranged ramblings of Mr. "Repeatable Arm Talent" Himself.

But you don't trust "those guys" rating the throws, because you just questioned their judgement on counting his on target throws, which were the 11th most in the NFL.

Either you count the accuracy statistics as evidence of the "accuracy" arm talent aspect, or you don't.


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But you don't trust "those guys" rating the throws, because you just questioned their judgement on counting his on target throws, which were the 11th most in the NFL.

Either you count the accuracy statistics as evidence of the "accuracy" arm talent aspect, or you don't.



I know you have this thing where you try and discredit the "methodology" of any stat that doesn't agree with any of your asinine points, but you come off as rather stupid here.
Caleb's on target % is among the lowest in the league

And conversely his bad throw% is among the highest in the league.

He is also among the league leaders in the worst passing % of passes over 10 yards over the past 25 years. Thus he isn't "repeatedly" passing into "tight windows"

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He was seventh in attempts so be very fucking careful with the counting stats. Only fourteen quarterbacks started seventeen games this year.


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He was seventh in attempts so be very fucking careful with the counting stats. Only fourteen quarterbacks started seventeen games this year.

That’s a fair point. Very few people talk about how durable he was this year.

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But you don't trust "those guys" rating the throws, because you just questioned their judgement on counting his on target throws, which were the 11th most in the NFL.

Either you count the accuracy statistics as evidence of the "accuracy" arm talent aspect, or you don't.



I know you have this thing where you try and discredit the "methodology" of any stat that doesn't agree with any of your asinine points, but you come off as rather stupid here.
Caleb's on target % is among the lowest in the league

And conversely his bad throw% is among the highest in the league.

He is also among the league leaders in the worst passing % of passes over 10 yards over the past 25 years. Thus he isn't "repeatedly" passing into "tight windows"


This "accuracy over 10 yards" stat youve clung to for dear life doesn't say anything about the type of coverage he was throwing into while accruing the 11th most on target throws in the NFL.


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He was seventh in attempts so be very fucking careful with the counting stats. Only fourteen quarterbacks started seventeen games this year.

That’s a fair point. Very few people talk about how durable he was this year.

On a team that cared slightly about winning he wouldn’t have started a single game this year. Which apparently this team did care about winning until it became clear that they had to pick between winning without Caleb and losing with Caleb…and well they made the wrong choice as usual.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:44 am 
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This "accuracy over 10 yards" stat youve clung to for dear life doesn't say anything about the type of coverage he was throwing into while accruing the 11th most on target throws in the NFL.

Your belief that coverage matters contradicts your earlier statements regarding the overarching ability of Caleb to thread passes into "tight windows" as a result of his "Repeatable Arm Talent" Hartgrove

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